Sandusky jury reaches verdict!

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I will attempt to say this as clearly as I can. I state that I don't agree that it's right that a 14x 1st-degree sexual crime felon should spend the rest of his life in prison with no possibility of parole. If people have deemed that he's such a demonstrated monster that he's unfit to ever again rejoin society, then he shouldn't be allowed to live. And he shouldn't be forced to be subjected to crimes in prison.

Now, if you think that's harsh, or your political beliefs don't allow you to accept that possibility, I'll bring up argument two....why are you willing to make society pay for your belief?

Your philosophy is one of extreme danger to a rational functional society, and is frankly...quite scary. First, people are still entitled to life even though they are in prison due to crimes they have committed (unless they are convicted in a death penalty case). You automatically advocate the killing of those in prison for life without the possibility of parole due to convenience, which is just ridiculous beyond belief. You said it yourself: "If people have deemed that he's such a demonstrated monster that he's unfit to ever again rejoin society, then he shouldn't be allowed to live." So if someone is unfit to join society, then they shouldn't be allowed to live? Well, the mentally and criminally insane are not fit to join society, I guess its time we just wasting them with a firing squad...yeah! better yet, let's get a good ROI and use them as human guinea pigs.

You succeed here in violating basic human rights.

Why am I willing to make society pay? Newsflash: society CHOOSES a system in which those convicted of crimes are sent to prison. Society pays for this and always has. I am not making society do anything.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Murderers and rapists violate basic human rights so much so that they are no longer entitled to them.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Murderers and rapists violate basic human rights so much so that they are no longer entitled to them.

murderers yes, rapists no. the only way to justify the killing of a person as punishment is if they have taken a life. rape is not the taking of a life. sure, it may cause psychological damage, but so can shouting at someone.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

murderers yes, rapists no. the only way to justify the killing of a person as punishment is if they have taken a life. rape is not the taking of a life. sure, it may cause psychological damage, but so can shouting at someone.

You probably still won't agree with my opinion, but I just thought I should clarify that for me to think the death penalty would be right for a rapist, they would have to be a child rapist or serial rapist. I fully admit that I may be biased due to someone I'm close to being raped as a child. I would rip their heads off with my bare hands if I could.

 

[jlprk]

why should tax dollars pay for that? I'm with MM. You get convicted of 45 sexual assaults, you don't get to live anymore.

Most such men you describe had voluntary sex with a 17-year-old 45 times. The girl cries at the trial, saying she loves him, don't convict him, before they put him away for 5-10 years.

Happens all the time.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I also think that the death penalty should only be applied in murder cases . . . and that the decision should be left to the jury and not the judge.

I have no problem with life in prison and whatever cost that is to society. The cost suck, but there is a lot of cost involved in the criminal system (everyone is entitled to a public defender for something as minor as drinking in public). Cost should not dictate whether the gov't decides to take someone's life, IMO.

 

[jlprk]

Cost should not dictate whether the gov't decides to take someone's life, IMO.

As Republicans say, that decision method should be reserved for insurance companies motivated by profit, when we're old and trying to stay alive in a hospital.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

How much money would we save if drugs were legal like they should be?

 

[jlprk]

Lawyers and police make more than the lowly therapy types at the detox. Drug addicts don't take up hospital beds; they die before that. Money would be saved, and freedom would be gained.

 

[huevonkiller]

You can't create wealth with mandates, you just shift costs around or eliminate doctors from the market.

As Republicans say, that decision method should be reserved for insurance companies motivated by profit, when we're old and trying to stay alive in a hospital.

The problem is that Doctors are not your slaves.

The Supply Curve says that if the government increase the price of inputs, the market equilibrium price will increase. Which devastates lower income families. Nationalized healthcare doesn't eliminate any costs at all, which is why we have 40 trillion dollars of Medicare debt.

 

[huevonkiller]

I also think that the death penalty should only be applied in murder cases . . . and that the decision should be left to the jury and not the judge.

I have no problem with life in prison and whatever cost that is to society. The cost suck, but there is a lot of cost involved in the criminal system (everyone is entitled to a public defender for something as minor as drinking in public). Cost should not dictate whether the gov't decides to take someone's life, IMO.

The government takes the lives of innocent people so I can't support the death penalty.

The cost of taking an innocent life is pretty high too, imo.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sandusky will be dead soon enough

But not before he becomes fully acquainted with this sound- fap, fap, fap, fap...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But not before he becomes fully acquainted with this sound- fap, fap, fap, fap...

I think he already knows that sound very well. He'll probably just be hearing it from a different angle is all.

 

[crandc]

Murderers and rapists violate basic human rights so much so that they are no longer entitled to them.

Then the rest of us should function at the moral level of murderers and rapists?

 

[WarriorFan]

I understand and agree with the fact that only murderers should recieve the death penalty and we cannot execute lifers for financial convenience. But, I don't understand why he would be placed in solitary confinement and on suicide watch. He's in jail for life with no realistic chance of getting out, why is he being protected? Is it just becuase we want him to suffer the punishment that he is sure to receive in prison? Seems to me that if he wants to die he should be allowed to.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I understand and agree with the fact that only murderers should recieve the death penalty and we cannot execute lifers for financial convenience. But, I don't understand why he would be placed in solitary confinement and on suicide watch. He's in jail for life with no realistic chance of getting out, why is he being protected? Is it just becuase we want him to suffer the punishment that he is sure to receive in prison? Seems to me that if he wants to die he should be allowed to.

Probably because the government would be sued if they knew that he was possibly suicidal and didn't try to protect him or if he would be hurt or killed in the general prison population.

 

[crandc]

It was reported that other prisoners serenaded Sandusky with lyrics from Pink Floyd's The Wall

teacher, leave those kids alone

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think he already knows that sound very well. He'll probably just be hearing it from a different angle is all.

HAHAHA!!

Good point.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It was reported that other prisoners serenaded Sandusky with lyrics from Pink Floyd's The Wall

The rest of his life is going to be pure hell.

And so will after his life.

 

[speeds]

Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster; and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes into you.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster; and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes into you.

fap fap fap fap...

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Then the rest of us should function at the moral level of murderers and rapists?

Huh?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

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[jlprk]

I will attempt to say this as clearly as I can. I state that I don't agree that it's right that a 14x 1st-degree sexual crime felon should spend the rest of his life in prison with no possibility of parole. If people have deemed that he's such a demonstrated monster that he's unfit to ever again rejoin society, then he shouldn't be allowed to live. And he shouldn't be forced to be subjected to crimes in prison.

Now, if you think that's harsh, or your political beliefs don't allow you to accept that possibility, I'll bring up argument two....why are you willing to make society pay for your belief?

I'll make you a deal if you agree to be consistent. Execute everyone who commits horrible war acts, and I'll let you execute any civilian prison lifers who committed similar acts.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'll make you a deal if you agree to be consistent. Execute everyone who commits horrible war acts, and I'll let you execute any civilian prison lifers who committed similar acts.

I'm relatively certain that just about everyone who's been convicted of war crimes by a legitimate international body (other than the US) has been executed. We seem to be the bunch of fucking idiots who think that terrorists from other countries have the same legal rights as a dude from Portland, yet execute American citizens suspected of doing bad things in Yemen and Oman and the like. Ready to play consistently, jlprk?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I admit, I was wrong...seems that some have only been sentenced to prison time.

 

[jlprk]

I'm relatively certain that just about everyone who's been convicted of war crimes by a legitimate international body (other than the US) has been executed. We seem to be the bunch of fucking idiots who think that terrorists from other countries have the same legal rights as a dude from Portland, yet execute American citizens suspected of doing bad things in Yemen and Oman and the like. Ready to play consistently, jlprk?

Sure am. You have Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld in custody in one of their own 20-year torture prisons? You do the dirty work and I'll cheer you on from here. Then I'll approve your executing all those petty civilian American lawbreakers you can find who did what they did.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Sure am. You have Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld in custody in one of their own 20-year torture prisons? You do the dirty work and I'll cheer you on from here. Then I'll approve your executing all those petty civilian American lawbreakers you can find who did what they did.

I'm confused a bit...you going to show me where the UN (or any other non-attention-whore body) convicted them of war crimes? I just gave you a list of who HAS been. And which "Torture prisons" are you talking about? Guantanamo?

 

[jlprk]

I'll make you a deal if you agree to be consistent. Execute everyone who commits horrible war acts, and I'll let you execute any civilian prison lifers who committed similar acts.

I didn't say they had to be convicted by a U.S.-controlled institution like the U.N, just that they had to have committed horrible acts in a war situation.

As 2 potential terrorists who have now drawn the attention of Project Echelon, we had better keep our alibis straight. Remember, you'll do the executing and I'll cheer you on from here.