OT Sandy Hook families settle for $73M with gun maker Remington

[Road Ratt]

How many of those were suicides?

It's a short video, watching it would answer your question.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's a short video, watching it would answer your question.

I’ve seen plenty of anti gun propaganda and they like to skew their numbers. I have heard all the reasons to get rid of guns.

Summarize for me.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

'It shoots just like mom and dad's gun': Weapons manufacturer unveils AR-15 for KIDS - called JR-15 - that is 20% smaller and weighs just 2.3lbs

• Weapons manufacturer Wee 1 Tactics unveiled JR-15, a kids' version of AR-15-style assault rifle
• Semiautomatic rifle is 20 percent smaller than AR-15, weighs 2.3lbs and shoots .22-caliber rounds
• Weapon, decorated with skull and crossbones with pacifier, was introduced at last months' SHOT show in Las Vegas
• AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifles were used in 11 mass shootings in the US since 2012, including at Sandy Hook, in Las Vegas and at Parkland

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...facturer-unveils-AR-15-KIDS-called-JR-15.html

 

[Phatguysrule]

'It shoots just like mom and dad's gun': Weapons manufacturer unveils AR-15 for KIDS - called JR-15 - that is 20% smaller and weighs just 2.3lbs

• Weapons manufacturer Wee 1 Tactics unveiled JR-15, a kids' version of AR-15-style assault rifle
• Semiautomatic rifle is 20 percent smaller than AR-15, weighs 2.3lbs and shoots .22-caliber rounds
• Weapon, decorated with skull and crossbones with pacifier, was introduced at last months' SHOT show in Las Vegas
• AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifles were used in 11 mass shootings in the US since 2012, including at Sandy Hook, in Las Vegas and at Parkland

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...facturer-unveils-AR-15-KIDS-called-JR-15.html

This rifle is the same .22 kids have been shooting for 100 years... It just looks different.

 

[Lanny]

This rifle is the same .22 kids have been shooting for 100 years... It just looks different.

Is it bolt action? Mine was bolt action back in the 50s which is what every kid I knew that had a .22 shot back then.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Is it bolt action? Mine was bolt action back in the 50s which is what every kid I knew that had a .22 shot back then.

Probably not. But they've been semiautomatic for that long as well... And many kids used them. We had a bolt action and a semi-auto when I was a kid.

And they've always held 13 rounds as well.

The bolt action was nice to conserve ammunition, otherwise it's pretty much the same.

 

[Natebishop3]

I grew up with this bad boy

But funny enough, it can be modded

What's funny to me though is that it's the same gun. It shoots the same rounds. It's no more deadly. It just looks scarier.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I grew up with this bad boy

But funny enough, it can be modded

What's funny to me though is that it's the same gun. It shoots the same rounds. It's no more deadly. It just looks scarier.

Bingo.

 

[Lanny]

Probably not. But they've been semiautomatic for that long as well... And many kids used them. We had a bolt action and a semi-auto when I was a kid.

And they've always held 13 rounds as well.

The bolt action was nice to conserve ammunition, otherwise it's pretty much the same.

I can;t recall exactly but I think mine held about 7 shots. J.C. Higgins.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I can;t recall exactly but I think mine held about 7 shots. J.C. Higgins.

Long among the most popular .22 rifles (or rifles in general), the Marlin Model 60 (semiautomatic) actually had an 18 round capacity until 1968, when capacity was reduced to 14 rounds.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I grew up with this bad boy

But funny enough, it can be modded

What's funny to me though is that it's the same gun. It shoots the same rounds. It's no more deadly. It just looks scarier.

To preface, I'm a conservative; but not a gun owner; I despise the rise in gun violence; but don't blame the guns themselves.

With that backdrop, I guess my question is... why make the gun "look scarier"? Full disclosure, my intuitive thought is that the manufacturer would do something like that to convey militaristic thinking to the prospective purchaser, but I'm certain that can't be the only reasonable explanation.

 

[Lanny]

Long among the most popular .22 rifles (or rifles in general), the Marlin Model 60 (semiautomatic) actually had an 18 round capacity until 1968, when capacity was reduced to 14 rounds.

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I never saw it.
Why would you need it when killing birds and squirrels?
Actually, I shot the tail off a squirrel so my dad had to take the gun to finish off the squirrel. That was my last attempt at hunting any animal not fit for eating.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I never saw it.
Why would you need it when killing birds and squirrels?
Actually, I shot the tail off a squirrel so my dad had to take the gun to finish off the squirrel. That was my last attempt at hunting any animal not fit for eating.

My father in law eats squirrel all the time. Absolutely loves it.

As far as capacity, it's just more efficient. Especially if you're hunting ground squirrel where you can go through 1000 rounds in a day.

 

[Natebishop3]

To preface, I'm a conservative; but not a gun owner; I despise the rise in gun violence; but don't blame the guns themselves.

With that backdrop, I guess my question is... why make the gun "look scarier"? Full disclosure, my intuitive thought is that the manufacturer would do something like that to convey militaristic thinking to the prospective purchaser, but I'm certain that can't be the only reasonable explanation.

Most of the things that look scary are really just meant to make the gun more user friendly.

A telescoping stock so you can adjust for comfort.

Plastic is easier to clean/maintain than wood.

Rails are nice for mounting things like flashlights or scopes. Grips if you're planning on using something like a shotgun for close quarters.

Most of these things were first designed for the military because of practical needs, but actually there's a ton of things that are used in our every day life that were originally designed for the military for one reason or another.

 

[barfo]

actually there's a ton of things that are used in our every day life that were originally designed for the military for one reason or another.

Like these, for instance:

They were originally designed to pass messages between soldiers, which they could then eat to destroy the message.

barfo

PS: that was just a joke that occurred to me, but a bit of research turns up that there is a military tie, at least a suggestion of one.

 

[Phatguysrule]

To preface, I'm a conservative; but not a gun owner; I despise the rise in gun violence; but don't blame the guns themselves.

With that backdrop, I guess my question is... why make the gun "look scarier"? Full disclosure, my intuitive thought is that the manufacturer would do something like that to convey militaristic thinking to the prospective purchaser, but I'm certain that can't be the only reasonable explanation.

I don't think "look scary" is the goal. The AR style guns are just easier to personalize. And that's really popular.

If the AR weren't available there would be a different style that people would customize.

 

[Lanny]

My father in law eats squirrel all the time. Absolutely loves it.

As far as capacity, it's just more efficient. Especially if you're hunting ground squirrel where you can go through 1000 rounds in a day.

When shooting big game it's considered stupid to take more than 2 or 3 shots to kill your animal and over 90% of the time it takes one shot if you're a serious hunter and only serious hunters should be allowed to hunt. One time I was out hunting with a couple buddies and we could hear a semi go off 8 or 10 times while my partners were shaking their heads in disgust. We all had bolt actions because you never needed multiple shots and the action on a bolt action is far superior to a

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Utah man accused of telling 4-year-old to shoot at police after dispute at McDonald's

A Utah man was arrested Monday after allegedly telling a 4-year-old to shoot at police officers. The Unified Police Department of Greater Salt Lake said an officer was able to swipe the gun away as a round was fired, and the officer only sustained a "minor wound" to his arm.

Police said the incident began at approximately 1:30 p.m. local time, when a man received the wrong order at a McDonald's drive-thru in Midvale. He then "brandished a firearm" at employees, police said, and employees asked him to drive to the front of the store while they fixed the order.

Employees then called the police. When officers responded, they issued "several verbal commands" for the man to exit the car, but he refused, police said.

Officers then pulled him from the car and began to take him into custody. But as they were doing so, police said, "an officer turned back toward the vehicle and saw a gun pointing out from the rear window."

The officer was able to swipe the gun to the side as a round was fired, police said. The officer then noticed the child's age and alerted the other officers.

Police said the child was in the back seat with a 3-year-old, adding that "information collected during this ongoing investigation indicates that the father of the child told the child to shoot at the police."

Salt Lake County Sheriff Rosie Rivera said it was a "sad day for law enforcement and our community," adding, "This needs to stop and we need to come together as a community to find solutions to the challenges we face in our neighborhoods."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/utah-shooting-mcdonalds-4-year-old-police/

 

[Phatguysrule]

When shooting big game it's considered stupid to take more than 2 or 3 shots to kill your animal and over 90% of the time it takes one shot if you're a serious hunter and only serious hunters should be allowed to hunt. One time I was out hunting with a couple buddies and we could hear a semi go off 8 or 10 times while my partners were shaking their heads in disgust. We all had bolt actions because you never needed multiple shots and the action on a bolt action is far superior to a

Of course, it's different with big game. But it's not legal to hunt big game with a rimfire .22 (the rifles we're discussing). That's far different than looking over a field of literally thousands of ground squirrels scurrying about... And killing hundreds per day.

Making the rifle in an AR configuration allows for a broader range of scopes and other accessories to be used for such hunts.

And in Eastern Oregon property owners encourage these hunts on their property to help control the population of ground squirrels.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I just don't think we should be using cartoons to market guns to kids. I really don't think we should be marketing to kids at all. But the cartoons seem way over the top to me.

 

[Lanny]

Of course, it's different with big game. But it's not legal to hunt big game with a rimfire .22 (the rifles we're discussing). That's far different than looking over a field of literally thousands of ground squirrels scurrying about... And killing hundreds per day.

Making the rifle in an AR configuration allows for a broader range of scopes and other accessories to be used for such hunts.

And in Eastern Oregon property owners encourage these hunts on their property to help control the population of ground squirrels.

We were discussing rifles and hunting. You even brought up AR15s.
On that note, the convenience of shooting ground squirrels with an AR15 type of rifle can't really compare with the loss of loved ones to mass murders by AR15 style rifles.

 

[Phatguysrule]

We were discussing rifles and hunting. You even brought up AR15s.
On that note, the convenience of shooting ground squirrels with an AR15 type of rifle can't really compare with the loss of loved ones to mass murders by AR15 style rifles.

But you don't hunt big game with AR style rifles chambered in .22 caliber.

You do hunt wild pigs with larger caliber AR style rifles. And also in an attempt at population control.

There is no evidence that eliminating AR style rifles would impact death rates at all.

For instance the M1 Garand pictured below is far more lethal than nearly every AR style rifle sold. And it's just a simple modification from the most popular big game hunting rifle for the last 100 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand


Here is the Remington 700 used by Charles Whitman to kill over a dozen people in 1966...


Murderers are going to use what is available to murder people. Getting rid of specific types of guns available today is not going to save anybody from being killed by a gun.

So if we can't get rid of all guns it's a waste of time and energy to focus on specific types.

This is like supporting the Woodson foundation, IMO.

It's just a distraction from the real problems.

 

[Lanny]

But you don't hunt big game with AR style rifles chambered in .22 caliber.

You do hunt wild pigs with larger caliber AR style rifles. And also in an attempt at population control.

There is no evidence that eliminating AR style rifles would impact death rates at all.

For instance the M1 Garand pictured below is far more lethal than nearly every AR style rifle sold. And it's just a simple modification from the most popular big game hunting rifle for the last 100 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
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Here is the Remington 700 used by Charles Whitman to kill over a dozen people in 1966...
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Murderers are going to use what is available to murder people. Getting rid of specific types of guns available today is not going to save anybody from being killed by a gun.

So if we can't get rid of all guns it's a waste of time and energy to focus on specific types.

This is like supporting the Woodson foundation, IMO.

It's just a distraction from the real problems.

You don't hnnt with a wooden stock too often either. Then we don't need to hunt wild pigs with an AR15 style rifle either. I've got too many other things going on in my life to be going round and round like this in a useless pissing contest.