Sarah Palin Has Balls!

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David Brooks said it best:

Yeah, she's a joke. I mean, I just can't take her seriously. We've got serious problems in the country. Barack Obama's trying to handle war. We just had a guy elected Virginia Governor who's probably the model for the future of the Republican Party, Bob McDonnell. Pretty serious guy, pragmatic, calm, kind of boring. The idea that this potential talk show host is considered seriously for the Republican nomination, believe me, it will never happen. Republican primary voters just are not going to elect a talk show host.

As a liberal, am I afraid of her? Yes. Why? Because strange things happen in politics all the time. Obama seems like he'd absolutely cream her if she somehow made it as the Republican candidate in the next go around. But a few years ago it was common wisdom that Hillary would've creamed Obama last year.

I'm not afraid of Palin because of her "rogue" personality, whatever that means. I'm afraid because she's a freaking moron, and being the President of the United States requires a minimum amount of intellect that she simply doesn't have. I can't think of another mainstream candidate, Democrat or Republican, I'd less like to see in such an important position. If there's even a 1% chance that she could ever be president, it's too much of a chance.
 
If she had "balls" she'd go on real journalism programs like Charlie Rose, 60 Minutes, This Week, Meet the Press, etc., like politicians (from both parties) with balls actually do.

Once she's done with her book tour, I have no doubt that she will.

On a side note, I would hope that she stays out of the Presidential race circles and focuses her attention towards becoming an Alaskan Senator. That's her roots.....and, hopefully, her passion, IMO.
 
David Brooks has a lot more faith in republican primary voters than I do. I think she's got a shot at the nomination. The teabaggers need a champion.

barfo
 
Actually, we all do...irrespective of any given party.

But most of us don't need her as a champion.

barfo
 
David Brooks said it best:

David needs to get off his high horse. He's bright, but he's no genius. His love affair with then-Sen. Obama was based off his ability to discuss Edmund Burke. Big whoop. A lot of people have read "Reflections of the Revolution In France". He started off left of center and it appears he's returning to his roots. He certainly doesn't speak for many on the right. He doesn't appear to even believe in free market economics anymore. Yet because he's the "conservative" columnist for the New York Times, we're supposed to take what he says seriously?

As a liberal, am I afraid of her? Yes. Why? Because strange things happen in politics all the time. Obama seems like he'd absolutely cream her if she somehow made it as the Republican candidate in the next go around. But a few years ago it was common wisdom that Hillary would've creamed Obama last year.

You should be afraid of her. Frankly, I'm a little afraid of her. She touches something in the hearts and minds of the folks in flyover country. I don't get it, but to deny it is insanity.

I'm not afraid of Palin because of her "rogue" personality, whatever that means. I'm afraid because she's a freaking moron, and being the President of the United States requires a minimum amount of intellect that she simply doesn't have. I can't think of another mainstream candidate, Democrat or Republican, I'd less like to see in such an important position. If there's even a 1% chance that she could ever be president, it's too much of a chance.

I fundamentally disagree with your position that "she's a freaking moron". There are two kinds of smarts: Book smarts (which she doesn't have); and common sense (which she has in boat loads). If you're concerned about Sarah Palin's intelligence, why aren't you concerned about Joe Biden's? Talk about an idiot. The difference is he thinks he's a genius.

I have to say that I once turned my nose down on plain common sense. Probably because I don't have much of it. I can take a complex idea and break it down as well as anyone, but common sense isn't something that comes easily to me. The deeper I got into academia, however, the less respect I had for the activity. Concomitantly, the respect I had for people who simply found a way to make something work grew by leaps and bounds.

Being President doesn't mean you have to be an intellectual. It's a management and leadership position. You certainly have to be smart. However, what it does require is a clear vision and the ability to distinguish black from white and right from wrong. The problem with intellectuals is they focus so much on the shades of grey they lose all bearings. Being a good President means being able to point the compass, lead the way, articulate your vision and be decisive in making decisions.

I think we can all agree that Jimmy Carter was certainly more intellectual than Ronald Reagan, yet who was the better president? What made Bill Clinton such a good president is he was the rare mind that could operate easily in both worlds. He could be a policy wonk one minute and be a cornpone from Arkansas the next. I'd like to find someone like that on either side, but I'm not sure they currently exist.

I don't really think John McCain would have been a particularly good President, but he would have been a damn sight better than the President we have. President Obama is the very model of an over-intellectual President, one we haven't seen since Woodrow Wilson.

What we need is someone with some common sense. It's a shame President Obama never left the ivory tower. He could use a little bit of what Sarah Palin has.
 
David Brooks has a lot more faith in republican primary voters than I do. I think she's got a shot at the nomination. The teabaggers need a champion.

barfo

You can disparage people who attend tea party protests all you wish, but it's the very definition of a grass roots movement. There's no central message except that they're frustrated and angry with the direction this Congress and Administration is taking America. Some are bothered by the economic issues and others are frustrated by the social issues. However, they care enough to protest and to do it peacefully and civilly.
 
But you just said she was hot. Doesn't hot imply she's your champion? :grin:

Dang, you're actually making me have to think this morning! :lol:

Good question. I guess I'll have to get back to you on that one.
 
You can disparage people who attend tea party protests all you wish, but it's the very definition of a grass roots movement.

No, it's the very definition of astroturfing - powerful people faking a grassroots movement.

There's no central message except that they're frustrated and angry with the direction this Congress and Administration is taking America. Some are bothered by the economic issues and others are frustrated by the social issues. However, they care enough to protest and to do it peacefully and civilly.

Mmm hmm.

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No, it's the very definition of astroturfing - powerful people faking a grassroots movement.



Mmm hmm.

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Really? That's your best shot? A few people arriving at the same conclusion? THIS is "Astroturfing"

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Note the coordinated colors, the professionally printed signs, etc.
 
Once she's done with her book tour, I have no doubt that she will.

She's been a national figure now for about 18 months. In all that time she hasn't appeared on them.

She used to say that McCain wouldn't let her. But it's now been over a year since she lost, and she still hasn't.

And now she's too busy selling a book about her political life to appear on a political program? Huh? Every Sunday morning it seems like somebody is flogging a book on those shows.

We all know what the real problem is. If you put her in front of an aggressive interviewer who asks piercing followup questions, she'll fall apart and her "tough rogue" image will be shattered. So she's avoiding such a confrontation.

Which somehow passes for "balls."
 
THIS is "Astroturfing"

Note the coordinated colors, the professionally printed signs, etc.

No, that is quite specifically not astroturfing.

Astroturfing is an English-language euphemism referring to political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are formally planned by an organization, but designed to mask its origins to create the impression of being spontaneous, popular "grassroots" behavior.

What your picture shows is union members, rallying under the union banner. There is no masking of origins or attempt to pretend the gathering is organized by anyone other than the union.

barfo
 
I fundamentally disagree with your position that "she's a freaking moron". There are two kinds of smarts: Book smarts (which she doesn't have); and common sense (which she has in boat loads). If you're concerned about Sarah Palin's intelligence, why aren't you concerned about Joe Biden's? Talk about an idiot. The difference is he thinks he's a genius.

I realize you probably assume anyone who agrees with part of your own personal ideology (low taxes, low regulation) has common sense. Those of us who don't, obviously don't have common sense. So let's set that aside for a moment.

What other evidence do you have that she actually has boat loads of common sense?

I watch interviews of her and all I see is vapid re-shuffling of Republican talking points, often not in any sort of coherent order.

The only thing keeping her interviews from being excruciating is that she's pretty hot for a politician.
 
What barfo said.

And yeah, a bunch of people coming to the same conclusion, that conclusion being that Barack Obama will round people up and burn them in ovens, isn't what I would call civil discourse.
 
She touches something in the hearts and minds of the folks in flyover country.

Man, what an obnoxious sentence. As somebody who lives in "flyover country," she doesn't touch my heart. My parents, life-long Republicans, think the teabaggers and Palin are ridiculous (although my brother eats it up).

Reminds me of last week's 30 Rock, where Jack Donaghy goes to "real America" to find a new comedian for the show and finds out that real America is pretty much the same as New York, a mish-mash of strangeness that defies labels like "heartland" and "liberal New England elite" and "flyover country."
 
What barfo said.

And yeah, a bunch of people coming to the same conclusion, that conclusion being that Barack Obama will round people up and burn them in ovens, isn't what I would call civil discourse.

I wonder how many carbon credits it takes to turn someone to carbon?
 
No, that is quite specifically not astroturfing.



What your picture shows is union members, rallying under the union banner. There is no masking of origins or attempt to pretend the gathering is organized by anyone other than the union.

barfo

I appreciate you providing the definition of "Astroturfing". All I did was show what an organized protest looked like. Do you really think the tea parties are organized by some central, behind the scenes power? If so, they suck at it. Those tea parties attract a group of disorganized masses with homemade signs all saying different things.
 
I realize you probably assume anyone who agrees with part of your own personal ideology (low taxes, low regulation) has common sense. Those of us who don't, obviously don't have common sense. So let's set that aside for a moment.

I don't mean that at all. I mean common sense as possessing good judgment based on non-specialized knowledge. For example, I have little common sense and my wife has quite a bit. Where I may need to run the Diamond/Dybvig bankruptcy model to figure out that purchasing ruby-encrusted clown noses isn't a good use of corporate resources, my wife knows it intuitively. But feel free to rant away.

What other evidence do you have that she actually has boat loads of common sense?

She knows that spending $787B dollars on projects that fit your political viewpoint and calling it "stimulus" doesn't help an economy. She knows you can't calculate a figure like "jobs saved". She knows that hundreds of millions of people making decisions independently about their own money spend it more wisely on the aggregate than a small coterie of bureaucrats in Washington. I could go on and on and on and on, but there's no need. You don't like her, and that seemingly blinds you to any positive attributes she may have.

I watch interviews of her and all I see is vapid re-shuffling of Republican talking points, often not in any sort of coherent order.

I don't find her particularly articulate. Joe Biden is, and he's dumb as a rock.

The only thing keeping her interviews from being excruciating is that she's pretty hot for a politician.

That's the talking point to belittle her ideas.
 
What barfo said.

And yeah, a bunch of people coming to the same conclusion, that conclusion being that Barack Obama will round people up and burn them in ovens, isn't what I would call civil discourse.

Do you really want to compare idiot fringes?





 
She knows that spending $787B dollars on projects that fit your political viewpoint and calling it "stimulus" doesn't help an economy. She knows you can't calculate a figure like "jobs saved". She knows that hundreds of millions of people making decisions independently about their own money spend it more wisely on the aggregate than a small coterie of bureaucrats in Washington. I could go on and on and on and on, but there's no need. You don't like her, and that seemingly blinds you to any positive attributes she may have.

In other words, she agrees with you. Ergo, she has common sense.

You can probably see why I don't find that terribly convincing. After all, you yourself say you don't have much common sense.
 
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Man, what an obnoxious sentence. As somebody who lives in "flyover country," she doesn't touch my heart. My parents, life-long Republicans, think the teabaggers and Palin are ridiculous (although my brother eats it up).

Did I say EVERYONE in flyover country? I live in flyover country too, and she doesn't do it for me. However, the crowds don't lie. She and her message speak to a lot of people. That's super duper for your parents. Exactly what do they believe that make them life long Republicans? Do they believe President Obama's spending is out of control? Do they believe in the need for the government to run health care? Do they believe in paying higher taxes? A larger portion of their lives controlled by the government? Labels don't really mean much.

Reminds me of last week's 30 Rock, where Jack Donaghy goes to "real America" to find a new comedian for the show and finds out that real America is pretty much the same as New York, a mish-mash of strangeness that defies labels like "heartland" and "liberal New England elite" and "flyover country."

I'm glad you find truth through TV sitcoms.
 
In other words, she agrees with you. Ergo, she has common sense.

You can probably see why I don't find that terribly convincing.

Nice try. Does this thought strike you as "common sense"?



Again, you ignored the definition I provided. It seems you wish to appoint yourself as the arbitor of common sense. Anyone who disagrees with you must be stupid.
 
Nice try. Does this thought strike you as "common sense"?

Again, you ignored the definition I provided. It seems you wish to appoint yourself as the arbitor of common sense. Anyone who disagrees with you must be stupid.

I don't see why you bring up Biden repeatedly. I don't really care one way or the other about him. *shrug*

I'm not ignoring your definition. I'm observing your application of your definition. You think Palin has common sense because she agrees with a lot of things you agree with. Shocking.
 

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