Sarah Palin: Trump's Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism'

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SlyPokerDog said:
You mentioned her 8 times (tweets & retweets) on May 27th when she endorsed Trump.
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1.) My comment was in reply to those in here that called Palin an airhead. The same people now using her words to make a dig on Trump.

2.) As for my twitter tweets... That was to troll the Ted Cruz supporters rookie. #LearnToTrollThenPost
 
oldfisherman said:
Not sure what the big deal is over the $7 million in tax relief. Look at the big picture.

The jobs pay $30+ per hour.
The jobs pay $62,400+ per year.
He saved under 1,000 jobs.
That works out to over $624+ million in taxable revenue, per year.

The govt will recoup the $7 million in a couple of weeks.

Or am I missing something, besides the politics involved.
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fixed it for you, the actual number is closer to 800.

you say recouped though, which really isnt the case since all the jobs were here before the tax break and carrier announcement. Now there were be 7mil in tax breaks minus the jobs that were lost in comparison to what was previously there. There is a large overall net tax loss when compared to last year. Im not sure how many jobs are still going to Mexico but Ive seen numbers as high as 1300. So rounding down to 1000 and using your math we can also say that the deal actually cost $624 million in in taxable income, 7 million in taxes breaks and another million in workforce retraining and then whatever unemployment benefits add to that. So there is a large overall negative tax impact associated with this deal.
 
donkiez said:
fixed it for you, the actual number is closer to 800.

you say recouped though, which really isnt the case since all the jobs were here before the tax break and carrier announcement. Now there were be 7mil in tax breaks minus the jobs that were lost in comparison to what was previously there. There is a large overall net tax loss when compared to last year. Im not sure how many jobs are still going to Mexico but Ive seen numbers as high as 1300. So rounding down to 1000 and using your math we can also say that the deal actually cost $624 million in in taxable income, 7 million in taxes breaks and another million in workforce retraining and then whatever unemployment benefits add to that. So there is a large overall negative tax impact associated with this deal.
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The $7M is a puny amount of consideration for the deal to be reasonable. The real hammer that Trump used was the thread of eliminating government contracts for Carrier.

If Carrier had us over a barrel in the negotiations, why settle for the $7M when they could have demanded more?

I'm all in favor of taxing less, which is what this deal ultimately is. If there are similar tax breaks that can be done across the board to keep jobs here at many companies, I say go for it.
 
I also want to make this observation about Trump.

I don't think he's a typical conservative. I don't think he's a Libertarian, either.

He's mildly fascist, but so was Obama (ObamaCare cannot be seen as anything but corporate welfare).

He talks about shrinking government some of the time and then talks about massive spending increases (daycare for everyone) some of the time.

If it were up to me, I'd call for welfare recipients to work to provide low cost daycare. Why have two+ workers at home with the kids when one can provide daycare for the rest and the rest can go work? (rhetorical question)
 
Denny Crane said:
The $7M is a puny amount of consideration for the deal to be reasonable. The real hammer that Trump used was the thread of eliminating government contracts for Carrier.

If Carrier had us over a barrel in the negotiations, why settle for the $7M when they could have demanded more?

I'm all in favor of taxing less, which is what this deal ultimately is. If there are similar tax breaks that can be done across the board to keep jobs here at many companies, I say go for it.
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I potentially agree with most of this, but I have to know more about the jobs and deal. Im just pointing out that you can not claim it as a tax windfall where you recoup the costs because it is not. Indiana will be dealing with a lot less tax dollars because of this deal. Im also not sure if Trump is really a mild facist or if he just plays one of TV.
 
donkiez said:
fixed it for you, the actual number is closer to 800.

you say recouped though, which really isnt the case since all the jobs were here before the tax break and carrier announcement. Now there were be 7mil in tax breaks minus the jobs that were lost in comparison to what was previously there. There is a large overall net tax loss when compared to last year. Im not sure how many jobs are still going to Mexico but Ive seen numbers as high as 1300. So rounding down to 1000 and using your math we can also say that the deal actually cost $624 million in in taxable income, 7 million in taxes breaks and another million in workforce retraining and then whatever unemployment benefits add to that. So there is a large overall negative tax impact associated with this deal.
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Let’s look at it from your side, using your numbers.

Instead of using the $7 million in tax relief to save the Carrier jobs. Let’s see how far the $7 million goes towards paying the un-employment benefits to the 800 jobs your method sends to Mexico.

The max weekly un-employment benefit for Indiana is $390 per week. I have no idea how their program works, or, who qualifies for the max. To be fair, I will use a lower number $300 per week.

800 X $300 = $2,640,000+ paid out every week to the un-employed Carrier workers whose job could have been saved.

The $7 million spent to save the jobs would pay less than 3 weeks of un-employment insurance.

The $7 million was going to be spent by the Govt either way. Trump’s idea has a positive return, and makes America better. Your idea has a negative return, and weakens America.


I did not vote for Trump, but hate when people with special interest agendas do not put America first, and do the right thing. So far, Trump is putting America first, and doing the right things.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
you forgot racist. you think hes a racist.
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;)
 
oldfisherman said:
Let’s look at it from your side, using your numbers.

Instead of using the $7 million in tax relief to save the Carrier jobs. Let’s see how far the $7 million goes towards paying the un-employment benefits to the 800 jobs your method sends to Mexico.

The max weekly un-employment benefit for Indiana is $390 per week. I have no idea how their program works, or, who qualifies for the max. To be fair, I will use a lower number $300 per week.

800 X $300 = $2,640,000+ paid out every week to the un-employed Carrier workers whose job could have been saved.

The $7 million spent to save the jobs would pay less than 3 weeks of un-employment insurance.

The $7 million was going to be spent by the Govt either way. Trump’s idea has a positive return, and makes America better. Your idea has a negative return, and weakens America.


I did not vote for Trump, but hate when people with special interest agendas do not put America first, and do the right thing. So far, Trump is putting America first, and doing the right things.
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Since when was math my idea?

If you lost $100 dollars but then found $50, would you consider yourself better off over all?
 
oldfisherman said:
Let’s look at it from your side, using your numbers.

Instead of using the $7 million in tax relief to save the Carrier jobs. Let’s see how far the $7 million goes towards paying the un-employment benefits to the 800 jobs your method sends to Mexico.

The max weekly un-employment benefit for Indiana is $390 per week. I have no idea how their program works, or, who qualifies for the max. To be fair, I will use a lower number $300 per week.

800 X $300 = $2,640,000+ paid out every week to the un-employed Carrier workers whose job could have been saved.

The $7 million spent to save the jobs would pay less than 3 weeks of un-employment insurance.

The $7 million was going to be spent by the Govt either way. Trump’s idea has a positive return, and makes America better. Your idea has a negative return, and weakens America.


I did not vote for Trump, but hate when people with special interest agendas do not put America first, and do the right thing. So far, Trump is putting America first, and doing the right things.
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its $240,000 a week. your math is super funky.
 
donkiez said:
Since when was math my idea?

If you lost $100 dollars but then found $50, would you consider yourself better off over all?
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You believe losing the entire $100 is better than only losing $50?
Or are you saying jobs and working is un-American?

I can not tell how far your wacko beliefs go.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
its $240,000 a week. your math is super funky.
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You are correct sir, and my math was wrong. My Apologizes.

However, the $7 million would only cover about 30 weeks of un-employment payments, vs keeping tens of $million in revenues to help pay for public services.
 
oldfisherman said:
You are correct sir, and my math was wrong. My Apologizes.

However, the $7 million would only cover about 30 weeks of un-employment payments, vs keeping tens of $million in revenues to help pay for public services.
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im certainly not saying its a bad thing the US kept those jobs. I just want trump to be tougher, he promised an alpha, and we are getting a cuck. they are giving them 7 million dollars, to keep less than half of their workers. he should have drawn a line in the sand and followed through with it.

keeping those jobs is good, and losing the others is bad. it can be both things if people can think independently about it and not stick to their preconceived notions.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
im certainly not saying its a bad thing the US kept those jobs. I just want trump to be tougher, he promised an alpha, and we are getting a cuck. they are giving them 7 million dollars, to keep less than half of their workers. he should have drawn a line in the sand and followed through with it.

keeping those jobs is good, and losing the others is bad. it can be both things if people can think independently about it and not stick to their preconceived notions.
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Agree 100%.
But now we are second guessing. None of us where part of the negotiations, or have any of the details that resulted in the compromise.

My guess is Carrier already made legal contracts/commitments to invest in Mexico. The number of jobs saved was probably negotiated to keep Carrier out of trouble in Mexico.
 
oldfisherman said:
Let’s look at it from your side, using your numbers.

Instead of using the $7 million in tax relief to save the Carrier jobs. Let’s see how far the $7 million goes towards paying the un-employment benefits to the 800 jobs your method sends to Mexico.

The max weekly un-employment benefit for Indiana is $390 per week. I have no idea how their program works, or, who qualifies for the max. To be fair, I will use a lower number $300 per week.

800 X $300 = $2,640,000+ paid out every week to the un-employed Carrier workers whose job could have been saved.

The $7 million spent to save the jobs would pay less than 3 weeks of un-employment insurance.

The $7 million was going to be spent by the Govt either way. Trump’s idea has a positive return, and makes America better. Your idea has a negative return, and weakens America.


I did not vote for Trump, but hate when people with special interest agendas do not put America first, and do the right thing. So far, Trump is putting America first, and doing the right things.
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There was no $7M spent.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
im certainly not saying its a bad thing the US kept those jobs. I just want trump to be tougher, he promised an alpha, and we are getting a cuck. they are giving them 7 million dollars, to keep less than half of their workers. he should have drawn a line in the sand and followed through with it.

keeping those jobs is good, and losing the others is bad. it can be both things if people can think independently about it and not stick to their preconceived notions.
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The government isn't writing a check to Carrier for $7M.
 
oldfisherman said:
You believe losing the entire $100 is better than only losing $50?
Or are you saying jobs and working is un-American?

I can not tell how far your wacko beliefs go.
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I said neither and nothing of the sort. You seem to be projecting some image on me, but if correct math is a wacko belief to you then we wont get very far in this conversation.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
no, they are simply saying that they owe them $7M less in taxes, right?

not that theres a huge difference
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Sure there's a difference.

If your paycheck is $100, you didn't make $200 and spend $100 of it somehow (leaving you with $100).
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure there's a difference.

If your paycheck is $100, you didn't make $200 and spend $100 of it somehow (leaving you with $100).
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Yep and the added revenue on taxable income is made back from the credit.
 
I just love the political theater that Palin has spoken out against Trump.

It's hilarious!

I would enjoy it if Kayne and Kim K set each other on fire. That doesn't make me a Kim K or a Kayne fan (or in MarAzul world a democrat.)

To actually try and make the argument that previously I've said that Palin is an idiot so it's not right, or fair, or what the hell ever, that I post a story about her speaking out against Trump is silly.

And posting it doesn't make me suddenly a Hillary fan.

I'm a big white person, I'm legally allowed to laugh at and/or hate a whole bunch of people.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I just love the political theater that Palin has spoken out against Trump.

It's hilarious!

I would enjoy it if Kayne and Kim K set each other on fire. That doesn't make me a Kim K or a Kayne fan (or in MarAzul world a democrat.)

To actually try and make the argument that previously I've said that Palin is an idiot so it's not right, or fair, or what the hell ever, that I post a story about her speaking out against Trump is silly.

And posting it doesn't make me suddenly a Hillary fan.

I'm a big white person, I'm legally allowed to laugh at and/or hate a whole bunch of people.
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@barfo edited one of @MarAzul's posts to read "I'm a democrat."

So it must be the truth.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I just love the political theater that Palin has spoken out against Trump.

It's hilarious!

I would enjoy it if Kayne and Kim K set each other on fire. That doesn't make me a Kim K or a Kayne fan (or in MarAzul world a democrat.)

To actually try and make the argument that previously I've said that Palin is an idiot so it's not right, or fair, or what the hell ever, that I post a story about her speaking out against Trump is silly.

And posting it doesn't make me suddenly a Hillary fan.

I'm a big white person, I'm legally allowed to laugh at and/or hate a whole bunch of people.
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We all know you are a closet Hillary fan boy. Stop being so defensive!

/sarcasm
 
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