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Serious question: how is it that 4 key players - Felton, Crawford, Wallace and Matthews are all playing below reasonable expectations? Are we really arguing whether a coach has any responsibility when 4 previously useful to very good players are all playing like crap?

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Gerald Wallace - worst season since 2005-2006
Ray Felton - worst season in his career.
Jamal Crawford - worst shooting percentage since 2003-2004

Is this supposed to be some kind of coincidence?
 
No change in the line-up? Figures..... I see he still give no love to Batum too. This is hilarious
 
McMillan is a good coach for players. After all, how many guys have left his Blazers and gone on to have better careers elsewhere? Outlaw, Webster, Telfair, Fernandez, Rodriguez, Bayless, Blake, Udoka, Magloire, James Jones, Dixon, Miles, Khryapa, Monia, Ratliff--just look at all these guys that went on to have the same, worse or no career after leaving Portland.

The best I can see are Andre Miller, Channing Frye, Zach Randolph and Jarret Jack. Andre's winning more now, but really he's putting up the same PER in Denver that he did here. Fry had his moment in the sun in Phoenix, got his fat contract, and is worse than he was when he was here now. His moment of success had less to do with great coaching and more to do with great fit/great money motivation.

Zach Randolph is undeniably a better player now. (Well, when healthy.) Were there things Nate could've done to get his current level of passing, willingness to defend a little and overall team play? Maybe. But I think a lot of his turnaround was just hitting rock bottom. Getting passed around like a spliff at a Dead concert by Portland, New York and even the fucking Clippers maybe made him grow up a little.

Jarret Jack is the only other guy that I can see who has really blossomed after leaving Portland. And that's only this year. He's now on his fourth team. Was it Nate really holding him back or just finally him finding his own way?

I'm to the point where generally I don't really mind trading guys because I have a pretty good idea they won't "blow up" elsewhere (a la Jermaine O'Neal). I could tell when we ditched him that Jack was going to have a solid but unspectacular career. I hated dumping Zach (still do) because I knew exactly what he was worth on the court.

Nate in general gets the most he can out of a player. He's incredibly stupid and stubborn about lineup changes, and I can't understand how he's leaving Batum on the bench.

But I don't really put all these close losses at the feet of Nate. Matthews is not a closer. Crawford and Felton are just shitty guards who can't seem to run an offense. Gerald Wallace finger rolls everything when he used to hammer down dunks, so you know he's lost a lot. (He seems to be approaching the latter end of the Ron Artest career path.) If we trade any of these guys I have very little doubt they'll be the same or even worse elsewhere.

So don't fire Nate?!?! Well, not exactly. I kind of want to see how Batum and Aldridge, and really the rest of the team, would fare under a coach who had a real commitment to the fast break. We're playing at a faster pace now, but the actual execution of that pace has been pretty unimpressive. Nate hasn't much experience coaching a fast team and it shows. Batum and LMA have never had another NBA coach, and I think they could benefit from a different opinion.

But I'm under no real illusions. Batum is not going to instantly blossom into a 22 PER player under a different coach. He'd do about what he does now, but for around 8 more minutes a game.

It's time for a change, but not because of some recent close losses. I pin those losses on our guard talent. After all, McMillan was a great coach at squeaking out close games when he had a great guard in Brandon Roy. But sometimes an organization reaches a point where it's just time to turn over a new leaf and get some fresh ideas.
 
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Gerald Wallace finger rolls everything when he used to hammer down dunks, so you know he's lost a lot. (He seems to be approaching the latter end of the Ron Artest career path.) If we trade any of these guys I have very little doubt they'll be the same or even worse elsewhere.

I think a lot of Wallaces missed layups are to blame on finger rolling and it definatly makes him look bad. You have to remeber that he has two possibly broken fingers on his shooting hand making it almost impossible to dunk.

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I think a lot of Wallaces missed layups are to blame on finger rolling and it definatly makes him look bad. You have to remeber that he has two possibly broken fingers on his shooting hand making it almost impossible to dunk.

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Nate should have never put Wallace in a position to break those fingers.
 
Ding! Ding! Ding!

Gerald Wallace - worst season since 2005-2006
Ray Felton - worst season in his career.
Jamal Crawford - worst shooting percentage since 2003-2004

Is this supposed to be some kind of coincidence?

Actually Yea, First Lockout since 1999

It's a team sport, and this team is lacking some serious on court chemistry.
 
But I'm under no real illusions. Batum is not going to instantly blossom into a 22 PER player under a different coach. He'd do about what he does now, but for around 8 more minutes a game.

That's the most frustrating part (along with a predictable, unimaginative, totally ineffective 4th quarter offense). Why the FUCK doesn't Nate give those extra 8 minutes a game to Batum? It makes no sense at all. He's clearly the second best player on this team, both by the "eye test" and the advanced stats. With the way everyone else not named Aldridge is completely sucking, why the hell wouldn't ANY coach with half a brain give more minutes to his second best player? Our second best player is 6th on the team in minutes. Add in the fact that he can play two positions on offense and guard four positions on defense and it makes absolutely no sense that he doesn't get more minutes.

BNM
 
McMillan is a good coach for players. After all, how many guys have left his Blazers and gone on to have better careers elsewhere? Outlaw, Webster, Telfair, Fernandez, Rodriguez, Bayless, Blake, Udoka, Magloire, James Jones, Dixon, Miles, Khryapa, Monia, Ratliff--just look at all these guys that went on to have the same, worse or no career after leaving Portland.

The best I can see are Andre Miller, Channing Frye, Zach Randolph and Jarret Jack. Andre's winning more now, but really he's putting up the same PER in Denver that he did here. Fry had his moment in the sun in Phoenix, got his fat contract, and is worse than he was when he was here now. His moment of success had less to do with great coaching and more to do with great fit/great money motivation.

Zach Randolph is undeniably a better player now. (Well, when healthy.) Were there things Nate could've done to get his current level of passing, willingness to defend a little and overall team play? Maybe. But I think a lot of his turnaround was just hitting rock bottom. Getting passed around like a spliff at a Dead concert by Portland, New York and even the fucking Clippers maybe made him grow up a little.

Jarret Jack is the only other guy that I can see who has really blossomed after leaving Portland. And that's only this year. He's now on his fourth team. Was it Nate really holding him back or just finally him finding his own way?

I'm to the point where generally I don't really mind trading guys because I have a pretty good idea they won't "blow up" elsewhere (a la Jermaine O'Neal). I could tell when we ditched him that Jack was going to have a solid but unspectacular career. I hated dumping Zach (still do) because I knew exactly what he was worth on the court.

Nate in general gets the most he can out of a player. He's incredibly stupid and stubborn about lineup changes, and I can't understand how he's leaving Batum on the bench.

But I don't really put all these close losses at the feet of Nate. Matthews is not a closer. Crawford and Felton are just shitty guards who can't seem to run an offense. Gerald Wallace finger rolls everything when he used to hammer down dunks, so you know he's lost a lot. (He seems to be approaching the latter end of the Ron Artest career path.) If we trade any of these guys I have very little doubt they'll be the same or even worse elsewhere.

So don't fire Nate?!?! Well, not exactly. I kind of want to see how Batum and Aldridge, and really the rest of the team, would fare under a coach who had a real commitment to the fast break. We're playing at a faster pace now, but the actual execution of that pace has been pretty unimpressive. Nate hasn't much experience coaching a fast team and it shows. Batum and LMA have never had another NBA coach, and I think they could benefit from a different opinion.

But I'm under no real illusions. Batum is not going to instantly blossom into a 22 PER player under a different coach. He'd do about what he does now, but for around 8 more minutes a game.

It's time for a change, but not because of some recent close losses. I pin those losses on our guard talent. After all, McMillan was a great coach at squeaking out close games when he had a great guard in Brandon Roy. But sometimes an organization reaches a point where it's just time to turn over a new leaf and get some fresh ideas.



Well said, been praying for a coaching/mantra change for years. Time to get some new views, new offense, new defense, new everything. Aldridge isnt getting any younger, we are wasting his years on our same-ol, same-ol no improvement team.
 
That's the most frustrating part (along with a predictable, unimaginative, totally ineffective 4th quarter offense). Why the FUCK doesn't Nate give those extra 8 minutes a game to Batum? It makes no sense at all. He's clearly the second best player on this team, both by the "eye test" and the advanced stats. With the way everyone else not named Aldridge is completely sucking, why the hell wouldn't ANY coach with half a brain give more minutes to his second best player? Our second best player is 6th on the team in minutes. Add in the fact that he can play two positions on offense and guard four positions on defense and it makes absolutely no sense that he doesn't get more minutes.

BNM

The more I think about the more frustrated I get because I start to run out of excuses as to why this is happening. At some point there is nothing left to say but its either stupidity or stubbornness or a lovely and previous thought impossible combination of the two.
 
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That's the most frustrating part (along with a predictable, unimaginative, totally ineffective 4th quarter offense). Why the FUCK doesn't Nate give those extra 8 minutes a game to Batum? It makes no sense at all. He's clearly the second best player on this team, both by the "eye test" and the advanced stats. With the way everyone else not named Aldridge is completely sucking, why the hell wouldn't ANY coach with half a brain give more minutes to his second best player? Our second best player is 6th on the team in minutes. Add in the fact that he can play two positions on offense and guard four positions on defense and it makes absolutely no sense that he doesn't get more minutes.
BNM

I hear you. But this is nothing new. Nate hates change. He hates risk.

He stuck with Roy over Matthews long after everybody knew he was done.
He stuck with Magloire over Aldridge in his rookie year.
He stuck with Blake over Andre for an absurd amount of time.
He had a pretty poor plan for using Oden back when he was healthy, trying to turn him into another Przybilla.
He leaves his starters in at end of games in pretty major blowouts because there's a 10% chance of a comeback.
He switches on pick-and-rolls to prevent the risk of the open 20 footer.
He likes running a slow-paced, low-turnover game.

This is just what Nate does. He's the most risk-averse coach I've ever seen. He does great when change is forced through injury, but otherwise, yeesh.

Of course, he's also one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league (11 years coaching and never fired once!), so maybe he's figured something out. Coaches get fired a lot more for failed experiments than they do for failing to experiment.

It's a little like not going for it on 4th down. Statisticians will tell you that it's wiser for the team to go for it on 4th down rather than punting in far more cases than what happens. But coaches don't get fired much for punting. They get fired when a team fails to get that 4th down, and the loss is pinned on that decision. So they punt. Sometimes what's best for a coach's career doesn't coincide with what's best for the team.
 
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But I'm under no real illusions. Batum is not going to instantly blossom into a 22 PER player under a different coach. He'd do about what he does now, but for around 8 more minutes a game.

That's not a bad thing. A guy with a ~19 PER should play more than 26mpg, especially when he's one of the best and most versatile defenders on the team.

It's time for a change, but not because of some recent close losses. I pin those losses on our guard talent. After all, McMillan was a great coach at squeaking out close games when he had a great guard in Brandon Roy. But sometimes an organization reaches a point where it's just time to turn over a new leaf and get some fresh ideas.
^this.
 
I hear you. But this is nothing new. Nate hates change. He hates risk.

He stuck with Roy over Matthews long after everybody knew he was done.

Yeah, Matthews has sure lit up the league.

He stuck with Magloire over Aldridge in his rookie year.

LMA was starting by year-end until he missed the last two weeks with his heart issue.

He stuck with Blake over Andre for an absurd amount of time.

He stuck with Blake for a whopping 16 games. Miller started the final 66 games.

He had a pretty poor plan for using Oden back when he was healthy, trying to turn him into another Przybilla.

Completely not based in reality. The Blazers ran plays into Oden on the post, sometimes to the detriment of the team early in games.

He leaves his starters in at end of games in pretty major blowouts because there's a 10% chance of a comeback.

25 point loss to PHX: Nolan Smith 13 minutes, Eliot Williams 10 minutes, Chris Johnson 9 minutes - Babbit and Johnson were in D-league.

16 point loss to SAS: 9 point SAS lead with 4:15 left. SAS scores next 8 points over 2:00 of game time. Nate empties bench with 2:15 left (N. Smith/Babbit/C. Johnson/E. Williams/C. Smith all enter game)

Every other game has been within 8 points.

He switches on pick-and-rolls to prevent the risk of the open 20 footer.

Portland is 4th in DEF EFF this year. Whatever they're doing on defense, it's working.

He likes running a slow-paced, low-turnover game.

In the past, yes. This year, the pace is much faster, is Top 8 in the NBA, yet the OFF EFF numbers are down.

This is just what Nate does. He's the most risk-averse coach I've ever seen. He does great when change is forced through injury, but otherwise, yeesh.

He sure seems to be running more with this year's roster.

Of course, he's also one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league (11 years coaching and never fired once!), so maybe he's figured something out. Coaches get fired a lot more for failed experiments than they do for failing to experiment.

Coaches get fired for failing, not for failed experiments. Nate has yet to fail in his boss' eyes, now in his second job.

It's a little like not going for it on 4th down. Statisticians will tell you that it's wiser for the team to go for it on 4th down rather than punting in far more cases than what happens. But coaches don't get fired much for punting. They get fired when a team fails to get that 4th down, and the loss is pinned on that decision. So they punt. Sometimes what's best for a coach's career doesn't coincide with what's best for the team.

I agree with this, but as terrible as Nate supposedly is, he has his team in the running for a 4th straight playoff, and that's with a starting back-court that is literally the worst in the NBA offensively. Thankfully, both Matthews and Felton are still playing defense, so I'll credit Nate for keeping them focused when their offense is struggling.
 
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record....

The vast majority of pro coaches (in any sport) shy away from risk. Bringing in a new coach won't change that. It will mean fresh eyes on the problems - and there is value in that.
 
Its not even the amount of minutes Batum gets (which I think obviously should be atleast 30+ a night) that bothers me. Its how when were playing like garbage early in games and have to play the inevitable comeback type ball, yet Nate still waits till there's 2 minutes left in the 1st to put Batum in the game. Or late in the 3rd.

Stop the bleeding early Nate! Put your 2nd best player in the damn game!
 
Its not even the amount of minutes Batum gets (which I think obviously should be atleast 30+ a night) that bothers me. Its how when were playing like garbage early in games and have to play the inevitable comeback type ball, yet Nate still waits till there's 2 minutes left in the 1st to put Batum in the game. Or late in the 3rd.

Stop the bleeding early Nate! Put your 2nd best player in the damn game!

That's a reasonable request to me. Move LMA to the 5, Wallace to 4, give Camby some rest, and see what happens. The team is bad in the first half.
 
I think Nate should stop the players from wearing headbands. I think that's the problem.

Ed O.
 

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