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The guy is soft in the corners dump. He is not good at winning battles in the corners at all. We simply agree to disagree if you feel he is. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, we simply disagree.
 
It's amazing that you call MDZ soft when he took Neil out after he cheapshotted Boyle when every other Ranger player crawled under a rock.
 
We agree to disagree. You think he is good in the corners and in his own zone. I do not think he is good in the corners and in his own zone. Agree to disagree.

It does amaze me if he is good in his own zone, good in the corners, good on O, has all these skills why does AV bench him for Falk? Why is he battling Falk to be the # 6 dman? Seems weird to me, but so be it. We'll agree to disagree.
 
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And BTW...scratched again tonight. Falk is the 6th dman. Again confuses me if MDZ is so good on D and in his own zone. Why does he get scratched for Falk I wonder.
 
I will add one comment though, and it gets buried with all the MDZ talk we have in here, but Staal REALLY needs to step up his game. I personally think he has been flat out bad for a while now. He needs to get his act together and start playing Marc Staal hockey.

Now I do think he gets a little slack because of the eye issue, and getting used playing again and playing with a shield, and rightfully so, but at some point we have to hope he gets it back because we need him. So I am not getting on him here due to all the issues he has had, but the time for him to get it together needs to be soon, because we need him I think.
 
I will admit av's use of del z especially if sather is trying to trade him is baffling as it can't be helping the trade value. The kid needs to play. Falk is a plodder who doesn't need to be seen much to know what his game is. I still think if its me and taken into consideration all the upsoming contract situations I'm looking to trade girardi before I'm trading del z who I think will stoll be good and I'd like it to be for us. Maybe girardi is being showcased. :confused:
 
Here is the issue with dealing Girardi, and why I think it won't happen in season, our D takes a HUGE hit with him gone. Now I am sure some will start to knock Girardi. Say he hasn't been that great, on and on. I disagree with that somewhat, but what is much more important is the fact that AV disagrees with that. Girardi plays huge minutes game in and game out, and forms our "shut down" pair with McDonagh. So I just don't see Girardi dealt in season. That would be a huge hole to try and fill for us. Just the way it is, whether you like Girardi or not.
 
Chuck, I think if girardi is even available it will depend what offensively and sizewise is coming back the other way to us. If its good enough like I said with his upcoming contract situation I think he could be had now. That being said I think the guy rangers looking to move is still del z.
 
They shouldnt deal him during the season, i'd agree Chuck, but look instead to simply move on from him in FA. Get what they can out of him until then. Hopefully they can deal Del Zotto sooner than later, even if they can get back a good 3rd liner and decent 5th/6th dman with some mobility for the rest of the year. Throw in a prospect and pick if it needs sweetening.
 
I would see if FLA would deal Fleischmann and Gilbert for DZ, Fast and a 3rd. That would give them a solid 2nd/3rd liner and Gilbert who could hold the fort as a 5th dman for the rest of the year.
 
Gotta love when dumb threads are put back because people don't understand some of our posters.
 
mrmel29 said:
Chuck, I think if girardi is even available it will depend what offensively and sizewise is coming back the other way to us. If its good enough like I said with his upcoming contract situation I think he could be had now. That being said I think the guy rangers looking to move is still del z.
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Girardi is playing nearly 22 minutes a game. I just don't see anyway we deal him unless we get a scorer back AND a good dman that can clearly be in the top 4 and play nearly 20 minutes per game. There is just no other way we'd deal Girardi. I think you undersell how difficult it is to trade/replace a dman who is on the 1st pair AND plays 22 mpg. Not happening unless we get a great haul back, including a very good dman.

The only way Girardi gets dealt is if we are out of it at the trade DL and we are sellers. Then I can see it. Otherwise I just don't see it unless it is a HR deal for us.
 
I agree with Chuck and I think there's something AV doesn't like about MDZ's game whether it's higher expectations or little things MDZ doesn't do but he seemed to feel that way about J. Moore last week so who the hell knows. Staal has been hands down the worst Ranger dman out there this year but he still gets the minutes, he was beat a half dozen times in the Buffalo game. Eye problem or not the legs should be back by now. Falk hasn't really played enough to get a feel for his game but with his size bodies should be flying.
 
We all know +/- is WAY overrated, so let's not go crazy on this, but to me it is ZERO surprise that MDZ is a -9 and Staal is a -8. Two worst +/-'s on the team. No surprise based solely on what we see on the ice.

Next closest dmen are Girardi and Moore who are both -3.

With all this said, I am not a huge fan of scratching MDZ. I just don't see how that helps us. Hurts his confidence. Hurts his trade value. I see no upside for us. I say what I have said time and time again since MDZ started getting scrtached almost every game, if you are going to scratch him...TRADE HIM. I just don't see the upside to scratch him game after game. This will be his 8th game being scratched, and I don't love it.
 
I really wish this coach would stop screwing around our young talented player. What is this coach thinking. This talented player needs ice time
..he has the skill but must have banged the coaches wife and daughter. Oh how terrible this coach is treating him.......

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
I really wish this coach would stop screwing around our young talented player. What is this coach thinking. This talented player needs ice time
..he has the skill but must have banged the coaches wife and daughter. Oh how terrible this coach is treating him.......

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Since that sounds like everybodies criticism of torts usage or should I say lack of torts usage by Kreider Al I would say hows kreider looking with the ice time. Del z might not be the best d man around but sitting him for falk and moore,,,, really
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
I really wish this coach would stop screwing around our young talented player. What is this coach thinking. This talented player needs ice time
..he has the skill but must have banged the coaches wife and daughter. Oh how terrible this coach is treating him.......

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Haha jeez Al. You said yourself that Del Zerro (as you call him) is awful. Now you're trying to say he's good to prove a point about how unfairly we treated Torts? Situations are completely different, come on man. DZ has not been good. He should be traded if he isn't going to play for value reasons but nobody is saying MDZ is getting jerked around. Kreider is now a Calder front runner and put a hat trick right in Torts' eye.

Your love for that stubborn mule knows no ends. Torts and his massive ego screwed Kreider. No two ways about it.
 
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Just showing how a coach can be perceived by some fans... here is a guy who has been a starter and can't even get on the ice so it has to be the coach. And as for as kreider...remember this coach ALSO sent him to the minors to start yhe season...why..cause the player needed it.

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Sather needs to lower his demands for DZ, according to Garrioch he wants a top 4 dman which is assinine. You aren't going to get that for an erratic player who isn't even that himself. Get a 2nd or 3rd line guy and a 5th/6th dman for the rest of the year, even if you have to throw in a decent prospect and pick. In the summer you can re-evaluate where Staal's career is and any money which may be freed up from him if that's the case. Now you can't really deal Girardi since he's one of the only 'physical' guys left if Staals gone. Half the defensive corps will probably be new in 2014, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
You nailed it Prod. That is the issue with MDZ. He needs to be playing until he is dealt. Scratching him is dumb, simply put.

As for Al, I just laugh when I read his Torts' posts. Kreider and MDZ are WAY different situations. Kreider was never given a fair chance by Torts, despite a team that could not score. MDZ was given chances by AV and was a - 9 and played very poorly.

What is dumb about the MDZ situation is scratching him as mentioned. He needs to be traded if AV doesn't want to play him. Scratching him and hurting his trade value is dumb. And I am sure he will play now with Staal out in the short term at least.

Two totally different situations. But Al Tortorella doesn't see that...:).
 
I think the Rangers need to make a decision on MDZ once and for all. IF you want to keep him and re-sign him for 3 or 4 years at 3 to 4 mill per, then play him now and stop the BS. IF you don't see him as part of the future, and you do not plan to bring him back this summer, then lower the demands a little, take a solid 2nd line scoring winger and a solid dman for him in a package, and move on.

Make a decision though, because doing what we are doing with MDZ is dumb. And if we do not plan to re-sign him this summer, then deal him now.
 
Problem is that the few teams out of it don't have a lot to offer. Not to mention, Girardi, Stralman and Cally are UFA's at the end of the season which makes it risky for a team to trade for them. I really believe Talbot will be a key piece in a trade if Sather is to improve this team.
 
I hope they don't panic and re-sign Girardi if Staal is done. That seems like something stupid they might do. Hopefully AV has alot of input in FA.
 
This team is a mess now on defense. Staal never looked right after he came back from the eye deal. Moore is lost half of his games. MDZ must have no confidence. Girardi has his head so far up his ass he needs a doctor to remove it.
 
We have McDonagh though...:). And Stralman has actually been solid as well. Like I said earlier, any deals we make should at least have an eye on next season as well. Just the way it is sadly. We will have a new feel next season with all the FA's we have.
 
I thought Moore would thrive in this new system but he's been underwhelming for the most part. They should bring up Allen and see what he's got.
 
If they could somehow deal for Edler that would be a nice add to the next few years with McDonagh, Moore and Stralman. Then throw in either DMc/Allen and maybe another FA or two and that would be solid. DZ/2nd/Kristo could get him I'm sure.
 
Ranger71 said:
If they could somehow deal for Edler that would be a nice add to the next few years with McDonagh, Moore and Stralman. Then throw in either DMc/Allen and maybe another FA or two and that would be solid. DZ/2nd/Kristo could get him I'm sure.
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Wish we'd bring kristo up to see if he can help us first before trading him. After all, we do need offense
 
Yeah I'd rather not deal him but if it helps bring back a top 4 dman for the next 5 years in light of what might happen with Staal I'd include him.
 
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