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[TorturedBlazerFan]

If they really like him - the timing makes sense - why wait and hope he falls through the cracks? They were going to get some minimum salary guy anyway, why not get one they like early instead of getting whoever is available from the reject heap?

Stauskus wouldve been on that reject heap, and I don't say that to be mean, I just cant imagine that they couldnt have gotten him later. I understand what you’re saying but it just came across so bad how NO handled this summer. All the talk about needing a vet wing and experience. Then basically did the opposite of what he went out to do. Hopefully Staukus outperforms the contract and plays well.

 

[Scalma]

Stauskus wouldve been on that reject heap, and I don't say that to be mean, I just cant imagine that they couldnt have gotten him later. I understand what you’re saying but it just came across so bad how NO handled this summer. All the talk about needing a vet wing and experience. Then basically did the opposite of what he went out to do. Hopefully Staukus outperforms the contract and plays well.

Dont worry, he’ll talk up the trade deadline. And then when that passes without any upgrades, he’ll talk about the better deals to be had in the summer. And round and round we go.

 

[jlprk]

Dont worry, he’ll talk up the trade deadline. And then when that passes without any upgrades, he’ll talk about the better deals to be had in the summer. And round and round we go.

This cycle is EXACTLY what I've tried to tell everyone here for years!

Slowly we gain in numbers! After I'm dead you can carry on the struggle, then your children, then their children...until Olshey is vanquished from the face of the Earth!!

 

[andalusian]

Stauskus wouldve been on that reject heap, and I don't say that to be mean, I just cant imagine that they couldnt have gotten him later. I understand what you’re saying but it just came across so bad how NO handled this summer. All the talk about needing a vet wing and experience. Then basically did the opposite of what he went out to do. Hopefully Staukus outperforms the contract and plays well.

How can you tell if someone did not get to their pick of the reject heap before them?

Clearly, they knew they were going to get a minimum contract - and they clearly wanted him in this position. I honestly do not see the issue.

 

[Scalma]

This cycle is EXACTLY what I've tried to tell everyone here for years!

Slowly we gain in numbers! After I'm dead you can carry on the struggle, then your children, then their children...until Olshey is vanquished from the face of the Earth!!

It’s so aggravating. And I think the worst part is that I fell for it for so long, and some are still falling for it now.

Actually no, the worst part is that Paul Allen falls for it. Neil should’ve been fired awhile ago.

“We can’t sign free agents because Portland isn’t a destination.”

“We can’t trade for anyone because no one wants to trade.”

Then when he finally took some responsibility this summer, he proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it.

Watch, the only trade we might make this deadline is dumping Harkless to dip under the tax.

FUCK. OUT. OF. HERE.

 

[hoopsjock]

It’s so aggravating. And I think the worst part is that I fell for it for so long, and some are still falling for it now.

Actually no, the worst part is that Paul Allen falls for it. Neil should’ve been fired awhile ago.

“We can’t sign free agents because Portland isn’t a destination.”

“We can’t trade for anyone because no one wants to trade.”

Then when he finally took some responsibility this summer, he proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it.

Watch, the only trade we might make this deadline is dumping Harkless to dip under the tax.

FUCK. OUT. OF. HERE.

Once again, other than Sacramento no team can even come close to taking on that kind of salary. That makes it unlikely to do that.

 

[Scalma]

Once again, other than Sacramento no team can even come close to taking on that kind of salary. That makes it unlikely to do that.

It only takes one and they’ve been connected to him before. They also could use a SF.

 

[hoopsjock]

It only takes one and they’ve been connected to him before. They also could use a SF.

But not only would they have to be interested in Harkless but they'd also have to not use any part of their current cap space between now and the deadline. It's very unlikely and also would be silly to have your whole plan to get under the tax hinging on one team being able to do it. I know you think Olshey is stupid but he's not that dumb.

 

[Scalma]

But not only would they have to be interested in Harkless but they'd also have to not use any part of their current cap space between now and the deadline. It's very unlikely and also would be silly to have your whole plan to get under the tax hinging on one team being able to do it. I know you think Olshey is stupid but he's not that dumb.

Ok you don’t have to break down a hypothetical, I get it. I’m saying if a move is made it’ll be something like that, and not something that’ll upgrade what’s on the court.

 

[hoopsjock]

Ok you don’t have to break down a hypothetical, I get it. I’m saying if a move is made it’ll be something like that, and not something that’ll upgrade what’s on the court.

It's not a hypothetical though, there is literally only one team capable of helping us out in that situation and we have no clue if they would. Don't be like that just because you can't back up your snarky comment.

 

[Scalma]

It's not a hypothetical though, there is literally only one team capable of helping us out in that situation and we have no clue if they would. Don't be like that just because you can't back up your snarky comment.

What was my snarky comment?

And there is more than one way to dip under the tax. Harkless was one example. They could even dump Harkless for someone like Shumpert and save money that could go towards resigning Aminu. Who cares

 

[hoopsjock]

What was my snarky comment?

And there is more than one way to dip under the tax. Harkless was one example. Who cares

I care because there are plenty of things to criticize Olshey about but you are choosing to go after him about something that hasn't happened yet and is virtually impossible to do anyway.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I care because there are plenty of things to criticize Olshey about but you are choosing to go after him about something that hasn't happened yet and is virtually impossible to do anyway.

I tend to think if the Blazers make a move at the trade deadline it will be salary cap related, unless the Blazers are just really bad than maybe a "big" move might happened. I kind of think they're happy to not be in the repeater tax and are prepared to pay some of the luxury tax i they have too. I believe they've dipped under the line the last 2 years so they don't have a repeater tax.

 

[Scalma]

I care because there are plenty of things to criticize Olshey about but you are choosing to go after him about something that hasn't happened yet and is virtually impossible to do anyway.

It’s funny that you choose to come after me for this when you turned against Olshey yourself this summer, specifically about not using the TPE. What changed?

 

[hoopsjock]

It’s funny that you choose to come after me for this when you turned against Olshey yourself this summer, specifically about not using the TPE. What changed?

Nothing's changed. Go after Olshey for shit he does or doesn't do. You said I don't have to break down a hypothetical but I'm telling you it would take a miracle combination of trades (aside from Sacramento) to pull off getting under the tax line this year. I don't think Olshey is capable of doing it even if he wanted to so it seems rather silly to me to predict that is what he is going to do.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It’s funny that you choose to come after me for this when you turned against Olshey yourself this summer, specifically about not using the TPE. What changed?

For me its about being fair with my criticism, I really dont like NO, but some of the criticism is also just not fair...

 

[Scalma]

Nothing's changed. Go after Olshey for shit he does or doesn't do. You said I don't have to break down a hypothetical but I'm telling you it would take a miracle combination of trades (aside from Sacramento) to pull off getting under the tax line this year. I don't think Olshey is capable of doing it even if he wanted to so it seems rather silly to me to predict that is what he is going to do.

Youre stuck on the Harkless thing. He was just an example. And not impossible btw, especially since Woj reported Sacs interest in Harkless less than a year ago. My point was that Neil’s focus is financial. Whether it’s dipping under the tax, whether it’s saving on the bill next year, whatever. It won’t be about upgrading the product on the court, because pretty much all the moves in the last year plus have been financially motivated. So until I see a move that proves otherwise, I’m going to stick with that, and I’m going to continue criticizing him about it.

 

[hoopsjock]

Youre stuck on the Harkless thing. He was just an example. And not impossible btw, especially since Woj reported Sacs interest in Harkless less than a year ago. My point was that Neil’s focus is financial. Whether it’s dipping under the tax, whether it’s saving on the bill next year, whatever. It won’t be about upgrading the product on the court, because pretty much all the moves in the last year plus have been financially motivated. So until I see a move that proves otherwise, I’m going to stick with that, and I’m going to continue criticizing him about it.

I think that is totally dependent on the record. At the deadline the last two years we've barely been a playoff team. Both seasons saw a huge run after the deadline. In my opinion they wouldn't have ducked the tax, especially last year with the big TPE, had they gone on the 13 game winning streak or Nurk fever run sooner. So if the team is out of the playoff picture or fighting for the 8th seed then I absolutely could see them making financial type moves and would probably agree with them.

I would love for them to trade Turner for Koufos or something like that. It gets rid of a problem, gives us a more capable backup center, and has hugely positive cap implications. I might even give up a lottery protected 1st for that and I hate trading draft picks. I just don't see a scenario where they get under the tax and saving a few dollars seems pointless otherwise unless it is a Plumlee for Nurkic type trade.

 

[Scalma]

I just don't see a scenario where they get under the tax and saving a few dollars seems pointless otherwise unless it is a Plumlee for Nurkic type trade.

Just for arguments sake there are a few playoff type teams that could technically absorb an Aminu or even a Harkless. Denver is one, and they’re starting an undersized Barton at SF. I know it’s not likely but Sacramento isn’t the only option either.

And saving dollars matters when you’re paying luxury tax, especially if you’re not a contender. So you’re right, it probably will depend on the record.

 

[hoopsjock]

Just for arguments sake there are a few playoff type teams that could technically absorb an Aminu or even a Harkless. Denver is one, and they’re starting an undersized Barton at SF. I know it’s not likely but Sacramento isn’t the only option either.

And saving dollars matters when you’re paying luxury tax, especially if you’re not a contender. So you’re right, it probably will depend on the record.

If only Olshey would've pulled the trigger on a Mirotic deal last year with the TPE. We'd have Nurk, Aminu, Collins, and Mirotic as our main 4 bigs. Although that would most likely have also meant no Simon either though and the start of the repeater tax.

I'm aware there are teams with a TPE. I actually wish Denver would do something like that because it would completely fuck them over trading away a 1st to get rid of guys with one year left on their contracts only to go right back to over the tax line.

 

[Scalma]

If only Olshey would've pulled the trigger on a Mirotic deal last year with the TPE. We'd have Nurk, Aminu, Collins, and Mirotic as our main 4 bigs. Although that would most likely have also meant no Simon either though and the start of the repeater tax.

It was so bittersweet seeing mirotic teabag the blazers in the playoffs. Thanks Neil!

Isn’t repeater only after a team is in the luxury tax for three seasons?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It was so bittersweet seeing mirotic teabag the blazers in the playoffs. Thanks Neil!

Isn’t repeater only after a team is in the luxury tax for three seasons?

... what was the sweet part...?

 

[Scalma]

... what was the sweet part...?

Seeing Olshey dunked on, especially after so many on this board were advocating for Mirotic.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Seeing Olshey dunked on, especially after so many on this board were advocating for Mirotic.

Oh, I see. Sweeter wouldve been the Blazers winning a freaking game...

 

[Scalma]

Oh, I see. Sweeter wouldve been the Blazers winning a freaking game...

I’m glad they got swept. Don’t need any moral victories. Maybe now they’ll play with an edge.

 

[hoopsjock]

It was so bittersweet seeing mirotic teabag the blazers in the playoffs. Thanks Neil!

Isn’t repeater only after a team is in the luxury tax for three seasons?

Yes I meant not starting the 3 year clock. I'm sure no one was predicting getting Nurk on such a low number.