Science and Religion questions (3 Viewers)

[julius]

If the big bang is true (and i think it is), what is at the edge/end of the universe?

What was there before?

Those are two things I simply can't wrap my brain around.


What would it take for a religious person to say they don't believe in their religion? The discover of another life in the universe?

Of all the planets/systems out there, how does one explain them using religion?

 

[MARIS61]

Don't waste time questioning your existence.

Embrace it and make the most of it.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

If the big bang is true (and i think it is), what is at the edge/end of the universe?

What was there before?

Those are two things I simply can't wrap my brain around.


What would it take for a religious person to say they don't believe in their religion? The discover of another life in the universe?

Of all the planets/systems out there, how does one explain them using religion?

Why would the discovery of life somewhere else in the universe nullify my belief in God/Jesus? I don't get the correlation.

 

[julius]

Why would the discovery of life somewhere else in the universe nullify my belief in God/Jesus? I don't get the correlation.

It was mostly a question. Is Earth the only place he made?

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

It was mostly a question. Is Earth the only place he made?

Ah ok, my bad.

Can't answer that question because i just don't know. But it would not surprise me if some other life existed out there, and there very well could be an explanation of it.

 

[magnifier661]

If the big bang is true (and i think it is), what is at the edge/end of the universe?

What was there before?

Those are two things I simply can't wrap my brain around.


What would it take for a religious person to say they don't believe in their religion? The discover of another life in the universe?

Of all the planets/systems out there, how does one explain them using religion?

Well for those that believe in no god and the Big Bang; they believe there was no such thing as anything outside the universe. In the beginning; there is this super condensed mass that expanded into the universe we know today.

That this concentrated mass created space, time and all that we know today. They believe that there is nothing outside the universe.

I think that's a funny way of thinking.

 

[ABM]

Don't waste time questioning your existence.

Embrace it and make the most of it.

I believe we were created as eternal beings. Our life here on Earth far less than a dot on a gym floor. The best is yet to come......that is, if you have a relationship with Him.

 

[magnifier661]

This is what I think.

In the beginning, there was this concentrated mass of energy (God). God (energy) was without space and time. God commanded and created space, matter and time with him "Outside this Universe"; so he can reside outside the 4th dimension. This is how he has the ability to foresee the past, future and present all at once.

The great Hawking once said that time travel was impossible; but later said it is possible if you can harness the power of a star. I could only imagine the power of a being that can harness the power of the universe.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I believe we were created as eternal beings. Our life here on Earth far less than a dot on a gym floor. The best is yet to come......that is, if you have a relationship with Him.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

SPD, these questions, like the one the Eskimo asked above, are difficult to understand and answer. We have limited thinking and understanding, but what we do know is that we should (this priest, and anyone else) should try to spread the 'good' word.

I think only God could answer this question, and others that are similar in difficulty.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SPD, these questions, like the one the Eskimo asked above, are difficult to understand and answer. We have limited thinking and understanding, but what we do know is that we should (this priest, and anyone else) should try to spread the 'good' word.

I think only God could answer this question, and others that are similar in difficulty.

I posted only to provoke but I very much appreciate that you looked past that and gave a well thought out reply. Rep'd!

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I posted only to provoke but I very much appreciate that you looked past that and gave a well thought out reply. Rep'd!

Np!

 

[Further]

If the big bang is true (and i think it is), what is at the edge/end of the universe?

What was there before?

Those are two things I simply can't wrap my brain around.


What would it take for a religious person to say they don't believe in their religion? The discover of another life in the universe?

Of all the planets/systems out there, how does one explain them using religion?

Mags has it basically right, well at least the part of nothing, at least nothing that we know about, past the universe. People often think about the Big Bang as an explosion outward from a pin prick dot to everything, but if I understand correctly, the edges of the universe are the last part of the big bang. so as we analyze the furthest reaches of the universe we are actually looking at the the closest remnants to the big bang. That's trippy to think about.

Also, remember in our own galaxy, there are 200 to 400 BILLION stars, and there is an estimated 100 to 200 BILLION galaxies. So what is beyond all that, I don't fully grasp what nothing means, but then again, I can't really grasp what 800 Billion Billion solar systems means. Some of this is only really understandable in mathematical formula. conceptually, it's just mad hatter.

This is what I think.

In the beginning, there was this concentrated mass of energy (God). God (energy) was without space and time. God commanded and created space, matter and time with him "Outside this Universe"; so he can reside outside the 4th dimension. This is how he has the ability to foresee the past, future and present all at once.

The great Hawking once said that time travel was impossible; but later said it is possible if you can harness the power of a star. I could only imagine the power of a being that can harness the power of the universe.

Mags, I really do respect you. A appreciate when religion accepts the natural world. There is no reason they have to butt heads.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well for those that believe in no god and the Big Bang; they believe there was no such thing as anything outside the universe. In the beginning; there is this super condensed mass that expanded into the universe we know today.

Not quite right.

There was no mass at the instance of the big bang.

There was no space/time "before" the big bang. There couldn't be a "before" because there was no such thing as "time." The question of what existed "before" is illogical.

I think most of us are open to the idea that there is a multiverse and that would be "outside" the universe.

 

[Further]

Not quite right.

There was no mass at the instance of the big bang.

There was no space/time "before" the big bang. There couldn't be a "before" because there was no such thing as "time." The question of what existed "before" is illogical.

I think most of us are open to the idea that there is a multiverse and that would be "outside" the universe.

As it was explained to me, If there is proven to be a multiverse, then new definitions will be needed, because those other universes will be tied to our universe in such a way that our definition of universe will actually encompass all of the multiverse universes. Basically it's like calling both New York City and New York State, New York. They are two different entities, one within the other. Our term Universe, would encompass all the individual universes of a multiverse. Confusing. We need a few more words in our everyday language to handle physics. Like the different definitions of Nothing. Or when something existed outside of time, we can't say before or after. I think a few new words would do wonders to help me understand.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well you're God aren't you? Can't you just invent some new words or something?

 

[Denny Crane]

As it was explained to me, If there is proven to be a multiverse, then new definitions will be needed, because those other universes will be tied to our universe in such a way that our definition of universe will actually encompass all of the multiverse universes. Basically it's like calling both New York City and New York State, New York. They are two different entities, one within the other. Our term Universe, would encompass all the individual universes of a multiverse. Confusing. We need a few more words in our everyday language to handle physics. Like the different definitions of Nothing. Or when something existed outside of time, we can't say before or after. I think a few new words would do wonders to help me understand.

I don't think you have it right. In a multiverse, you have multiple universes, each distinct. The universes aren't "in" anything else.

 

[Further]

Well you're God aren't you? Can't you just invent some new words or something?

I invented the term bastard spot. The area of less dense hair on your face keeping you from growing a nice homogenous beard. It comes from when a friend in highschool had a spotty beard, we joked that in the middle of the night some bastard would enter his room and gag him with duct tape, have his way with him, and then when removing the tape, would leave bald spots. So, those bald spots left by the bastard, became known as bastard spots.

That didn't really catch on, nobody listens to GOD anyway.

 

[Further]

I don't think you have it right. In a multiverse, you have multiple universes, each distinct. The universes aren't "in" anything else.

You are correct, and incorrect, that's why I say we need another word. There is no word for all the multiverses, including our universe. But, the word that includes everything is universe, so depending on which part of the definition you wish to use, I could be right or wrong. Basically, there needs to be a word that means everything.

Like most words, there are many definitions, but the first one that came up on a quick search for Universe is

All existing matter and space considered as a whole

So this definition would seem to include all multiverses that had matter and space. Other definitions that are more precise and set limits, may not include multiverse universes.

 

[oldguy]

Why is there love? It is unnecessary, in fact counter to, evolutionary advancement for men. Procreation does not require love, just sex.

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

Climate change has occurred many times over the history of the earth. What has kept the extremes of these occurrences from advancing to, say another 50 degrees hotter and colder than it did?

Go Blazers

 

[julius]

Well for those that believe in no god and the Big Bang; they believe there was no such thing as anything outside the universe. In the beginning; there is this super condensed mass that expanded into the universe we know today.

That this concentrated mass created space, time and all that we know today. They believe that there is nothing outside the universe.

I think that's a funny way of thinking.

Thanks for the answer. I think each side (? point of view) thinks the other sides point of view is a funny way of thinking.

Space is a fascinating thing to me. There's so much of it out there..there has to be something else out there.

 

[magnifier661]

Not quite right.

There was no mass at the instance of the big bang.

There was no space/time "before" the big bang. There couldn't be a "before" because there was no such thing as "time." The question of what existed "before" is illogical.

I think most of us are open to the idea that there is a multiverse and that would be "outside" the universe.

You are wrong. Plasma = Mass. That theory suggests that plasma was the super condensed mass that started it all.

Yes, the suggestion of time didn't exist until the universe existed; which is what I said.

 

[magnifier661]

Thanks for the answer. I think each side (? point of view) thinks the other sides point of view is a funny way of thinking.

Space is a fascinating thing to me. There's so much of it out there..there has to be something else out there.

The only reason why I think it's a funny way of thinking has more to do with something being "eternal" that can't always exist. If this super condensed mass always existed; it makes no sense. Matter cannot be created from nothing; like I've pointed out in many other threads. This also applies with "Multi-verse" theories. In the "natural" way of thinking; something cannot always be there. It contradicts the science we know today.

As I understand the belief of supernatural seems funny too; at least the theists belief that "supernatural and eternal" can work; therefor the beginning can take place with a "God" not bound to matter, space and time can create matter space and time.

 

[oldguy]

If you ever experienced a medical miracle, would it change your religious position?

For instance, if you struggled with chronic back pain for ten years, and it stopped the day after someone prayed over you. I had that happen 7 years ago, and have not had one re-occurrence of my pain.

Would you believe then? Or, would you think that you healed yourself.

(Yes, I know that anecdotal evidence is not very useful. But, I know what I felt before and after.)

Go Blazers

 

[magnifier661]

If you ever experienced a medical miracle, would it change your religious position?

For instance, if you struggled with chronic back pain for ten years, and it stopped the day after someone prayed over you. I had that happen 7 years ago, and have not had one re-occurrence of my pain.

Would you believe then? Or, would you think that you healed yourself.

(Yes, I know that anecdotal evidence is not very useful. But, I know what I felt before and after.)

Go Blazers

I don't think that's enough for someone that believes in God. There have been scientific research that supports just "Positive thinking" can do wonders for healing. Also, there have been research that stress and depression can also promote sickness and chronic pain.

AS much as I belief that God's healing hand actually works, the atheist will use the research to support no God being the healer.

 

[Denny Crane]

You are wrong. Plasma = Mass. That theory suggests that plasma was the super condensed mass that started it all.

Yes, the suggestion of time didn't exist until the universe existed; which is what I said.

Plasma isn't mass. Nor was it plasma at the beginning.

 

[oldguy]

If you were diagnosed with a terminal disease, and medical science had no solution....would you try prayer?

Go Blazers

 

[magnifier661]

Thanks for the answer. I think each side (? point of view) thinks the other sides point of view is a funny way of thinking.

Space is a fascinating thing to me. There's so much of it out there..there has to be something else out there.

Oh and I agree with you. I can't imagine this universe not having more life out there. I don't think God would have just one solar system in the entire universe having support for life.

 

[Denny Crane]

You are correct, and incorrect, that's why I say we need another word. There is no word for all the multiverses, including our universe. But, the word that includes everything is universe, so depending on which part of the definition you wish to use, I could be right or wrong. Basically, there needs to be a word that means everything.

Like most words, there are many definitions, but the first one that came up on a quick search for Universe is So this definition would seem to include all multiverses that had matter and space. Other definitions that are more precise and set limits, may not include multiverse universes.

"Multiverse" IS the new word to define things