SCOTUS Rules employers do not have to provide contraception

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If you can refuse to let employees use their insurance benefits for contraception, why can't you also prohibit them from using their salary to purchase contraception? The implications of this ruling are scary.
 
MarAzul said:
Why? Liberty was served well, draconian mandates by the government were stuffed.
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I wish I was an employer, so I can say my religion denies blood transfusions and glasses are necessary. Christ will heal your vision!
step 4 profit!
 
Faith healing is widely practiced by Christian Scientists, Pentecostalists, the Church of the First Born, the Followers of Christ, and myriad smaller sects. Many of these believers reject all medical treatment in favor of prayer, anointing with oils, and sometimes exorcisms

What if I'm a penecostalist boss . . . can I refuse to offer medical insurance?????
 
Five men decided women can't get birth control without their bosses' consent.

This is not even remotely constitution based. The decision says explicitly that employers who have religious objections to vaccines, blood transfusions, and other medical procedures, cannot bar coverage. Only when ladies fuck can they deny coverage. Only female health care. So the problem is not even putting the boss's religious beliefs over those of employees. Only religious beliefs involving women's reproduction.

This is not only a huge defeat for women, it is a huge defeat for religious freedom. The court has said the female employees must be forced to live their lives according to their boss's religious views, not their own.

Actually many corporations opposed Hobby Lobby because they were worried about impact on contract law; could a corporate entity void any section of a contract because it conflicted with the owners' religion? However, the court decided narrowly, the imposition of religious dictat only applies to women.

So, bullying and assault were free speech last week, corporations have religious beliefs this week. No wonder confidence in the Supreme Court is at an all time low. And that was before this crop of decisions.

During his confirmation hearing Roberts said he would not upset settled law. No court in history has overturned as much settled law as the Roberts court, from overturning voting rights, overturning voluntary desegregation, saying corporations can pay women less as long as they hid that fact, abolishing doctors' ability to make medical decisions when patients have life threatening conditions (only if the patients are women), to saying corporations are people with "free speech" rights to unlimited campaign donations and "religious freedom" to deny me my religious freedom.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Faith healing is widely practiced by Christian Scientists, Pentecostalists, the Church of the First Born, the Followers of Christ, and myriad smaller sects. Many of these believers reject all medical treatment in favor of prayer, anointing with oils, and sometimes exorcisms

What if I'm a penecostalist boss . . . can I refuse to offer medical insurance?????
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"Well now that's just silly! That would infringe on the rights of me too! I just hope they never take away my health insurance coverage of viagra!" /s
 
crandc said:
Five men decided women can't get birth control without their bosses' consent.
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This not true. Women can get birth control with out anyone's consent.
The ruling only says the boss does not have to buy insurance to cover such cost.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Faith healing is widely practiced by Christian Scientists, Pentecostalists, the Church of the First Born, the Followers of Christ, and myriad smaller sects. Many of these believers reject all medical treatment in favor of prayer, anointing with oils, and sometimes exorcisms

What if I'm a penecostalist boss . . . can I refuse to offer medical insurance?????
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Good question. He may have trouble getting employees if he go there though I should imagine.
 
Eastoff said:
I wish I was an employer, so I can say my religion denies blood transfusions and glasses are necessary. Christ will heal your vision!
step 4 profit!
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Who works for the dude that goes that route?
 
MarAzul said:
This not true. Women can get birth control with out anyone's consent.
The ruling only says the boss does not have to buy insurance to cover such cost.
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Insurance benefits are not the property of the employer - they are compensation for work performed and are the property of the employee. If an employer can dictate how insurance benefits are used, there is no logical reason they cannot dictate what the employee spends their salary on either.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Insurance benefits are not the property of the employer - they are compensation for work performed and are the property of the employee. If an employer can dictate how insurance benefits are used, there is no logical reason they cannot dictate what the employee spends their salary on either.
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I love your posts, but on this you are quite wrong. Employees can buy whatever insurance they want. They'll have to take whatever salary, insurance, 401K, etc. that their company offers or find a new job.
 
SCOTUS is nothing more than the 1%er's lapdog, and has been since it's inception.
 
It's a terrible decision in many ways, but it may come back to bite conservatives in the ass. Not just because it's bad law, but because it actually expands government-paid healthcare.

It isn't that women who work at Hobby Lobby will be unable to get contraceptives from their health insurer. It's that the taxpayers, rather than the employer, will pay the portion of their insurance that relates to contraception, same as is done for non-profits who object.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Employees can buy whatever insurance they want. They'll have to take whatever salary, insurance, 401K, etc. that their company offers or find a new job.
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Unfortunately, America is an Oligarchy, so that's a ridiculous lie. It's like saying a starving prisoner can buy himself a 4 course gourmet dinner any time he pleases. :sigh:

If we had effective unions, enforcement of monopoly restrictions, and industry leaders who valued America and Americans, it would work like a charm. :cheers:
 
If the USA had a single payer plan, then this wouldn't be an issue, and would be covered. Employers wouldn't have to worry about their free speech being infringed upon.

Oh well!
 
The reaction here is laughable. Hobby Lobby currently provides 16 types of contraception, they only object to forms they feel are akin to abortive. Even NPR reported on this on the drive in today.

This has nothing about denying woman's rights or any of the other fifty things that this is being linked to.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
The reaction here is laughable. Hobby Lobby currently provides 16 types of contraception, they only object to forms they feel are akin to abortive. Even NPR reported on this on the drive in today.

This has nothing about denying woman's rights or any of the other fifty things that this is being linked to.
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The ruling does not apply only to Hobby Lobby.

barfo
 
MARIS61 said:
Unfortunately, America is an Oligarchy, so that's a ridiculous lie. It's like saying a starving prisoner can buy himself a 4 course gourmet dinner any time he pleases. :sigh:

If we had effective unions, enforcement of monopoly restrictions, and industry leaders who valued America and Americans, it would work like a charm. :cheers:
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Stop with the nonsense. Contraceptives cost $15/mo.
 
Geez the comments on this board are scary. The majority want a socialist dictatorship, instead of freedom of choice including religion.

Why the hell does anyone want to force their employer or have the government force their employer to give up their religious beliefs just to receive something which you can buy cheap????
 
Denny Crane said:
Stop with the nonsense. Contraceptives cost $15/mo.
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yeah...I have no idea why some believe that they have a right to free contraception for women..for one, it is a life style choice, not really a health care issue. Yeah, sure we all know the girl that had to take them to balance some hormonal problem blah blah blah...but that is the exception.

fucking brown finger saying that this ruling puts women at risk is a farce..many have been sold a bill of goods and to continue to believe the fairy tale is more than unfortunate, it is irresponsible at best.
 
MarAzul said:
Geez the comments on this board are scary. The majority want a socialist dictatorship, instead of freedom of choice including religion.

Why the hell does anyone want to force their employer or have the government force their employer to give up their religious beliefs just to receive something which you can buy cheap????
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business bad

religion bad

brownfinger good

free stuff good
 
MarAzul said:
Geez the comments on this board are scary. The majority want a socialist dictatorship, instead of freedom of choice including religion.

Why the hell does anyone want to force their employer or have the government force their employer to give up their religious beliefs just to receive something which you can buy cheap????
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Serious question:

What is your opinion on parents' rights to "faith heal" a child through prayer, if medical science can cure/prevent their illness?
 
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Oh BTW! I like to buy the best help I can get when mine are ill. It's tough enough to get that done in time when the serious problem come your way.
 
$15 a month? Where? That's the copay after insurance.

Funny how there is only religious objection to women's healthcare.

Lifestyle choice? 98% of heterosexual women in America use birth control at some point in their life. Huge numbers of women (not "the occasional girl") use oral contraceptives for medical purposes. The lifestyle choice is being female.

Hobby Lobby covered birth control in their insurance for years. It was only after the ACA was passed that they suddenly found providing birth control coverage violated their "deeply held beliefs". Hobby Lobby products are made in China, a country famous for forced abortions. Hobby Lobby's 401(k) plan includes investments in manufacturers of abortion and contraception products.

In the hearing, it was claimed that Hobby Lobby "sincerely believed" birth control is abortion. And the ground rules were that it was enough that they "sincerely believed" that; it did not have to be factually correct. So an anti-science decision as well. Forget facts, if it's your "sincerely held belief" that the moon is made of green cheese, hey presto! it is!

Every man here who agrees with this decision: you had damn well better be a virgin for life.
 
yeah, it is a life style choice..and as I stated, Hobby Lobby only objects to birth control that they feel aborts a child. They do provide 16 other forms. and for fucks sake, how does this effect you?
 
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