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hoopsjock said:
I rarely ever talk politics but seriously fuck politics and anyone who supports these ass clowns.

Mother fuckers get paid for life with sweet pensions and healthcare while the people they are supposed to serve have to suffer. As if that's not good enough for them they also have to fuck us over with downplaying a viral threat that could cripple the country.

The best candidates these stupid fucking political parties can come up with for president are Joe Biden and Donald Trump?

Wanna make America great again? Force all these fuck faces to live like most of America.

1) Make all of these political positions (senators, congress, president, etc.) federal minimum wage jobs.

2) Retirement benefits are deducted from paychecks.

3) Healthcare has to be paid out of pocket.

4) Illegal to own personal stock or take money from any corporations while in office.

5) Anyone found guilty of taking a bribe or impermissible benefits gets mandatory life in prison.

I guarantee you America would be well on their way to being fixed in about a month if this happened because shit would get done to improve every American's situation so they wouldn't have to live like that. Instead we have people who's first reaction is to literally make money off of a pandemic instead of worrying about how to prevent it.
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I'm with you a 100% on this!
 
oldfisherman said:
No offense Hoopsjock. But the only people that would be able to meet all 5 of your requirements, and still be able to afford to work in the top political jobs, would be.....
Billionairs.
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You missed the point then.
 
calvin natt said:
you want minimum wage level workers running the country? No offense to anyone here who makes minimum wage but I do not want people making $15/hr making decisions like that. I get it in theory but we won’t attract the best and brightest paying that.
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Yeah because the rich assholes currently fucking up our country are so much better, great point.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah because the rich assholes currently fucking up our country are so much better, great point.
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So go to the extreme to make your point I guess. Ok I’ll do that. Let’s have the country run by the ten checkers at Walmart near you. Go take a look. Good luck.
 
calvin natt said:
So go to the extreme to make your point I guess. Ok I’ll do that. Let’s have the country run by the ten checkers at Walmart near you. Go take a look. Good luck.
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I dont really agree with his proposals or that it would be fixed in a month. However, I think the point is that most of our “political elites” are ridiculously out of touch with reality for a majority of people. A lot of hyperbole, but I agree that we’d see a huge shift in politics if they had to be in the shoes most of us are in. Or they’d all immediately get bought off and change all the laws lol.
 
calvin natt said:
So go to the extreme to make your point I guess. Ok I’ll do that. Let’s have the country run by the ten checkers at Walmart near you. Go take a look. Good luck.
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Who said Walmart checkers would get elected?

No one would want to serve for the good of the country?
 
hoopsjock said:
Who said Walmart checkers would get elected?

No one would want to serve for the good of the country?
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If you pay people minimum wage, as you suggest, you won’t get the leadership you want. Would people do it for the good of the country? Not anyone who is at the level we want to lead the country. People have to pay bills. I have never said I want a bunch of rich white dudes in charge. Just that they need to be paid more than min wage. But maybe you were not being serious.
 
calvin natt said:
If you pay people minimum wage, as you suggest, you won’t get the leadership you want. Would people do it for the good of the country? Not anyone who is at the level we want to lead the country. People have to pay bills. I have never said I want a bunch of rich white dudes in charge. Just that they need to be paid more than min wage. But maybe you were not being serious.
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I have been vehemently against the raise the minimum wage to $15 movement but my point all along has been that if these people had to struggle things would get better quickly.

Have to pay out of pocket for healthcare without being able to take bribes from insurance providers and pharmaceutical companies? I bet they come up with a better system rather quickly for universal coverage.

These people are set for life as soon as they are elected. Their top priorities are often lining their selfish pockets. They should have to earn those luxuries.
 
calvin natt said:
So go to the extreme to make your point I guess. Ok I’ll do that. Let’s have the country run by the ten checkers at Walmart near you. Go take a look. Good luck.
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The answer lies somewhere in between.
People don't take upper managerial jobs because of the money because they generally can earn much more in private enterprise. No, most people take upper level government jobs because of their desire to serve the country. The weak ones disintegrate their moral and ethical values and start lining their pockets with ill gotten gain. That's why it's up to the government to self regulate from an independent branch of the government, which up until recently was the Justice Department. It's up to the voters to reward the good ones and boot the bad ones at the polls during the general elections.
 
Reasonable Term limits would take away the incentive to dig in for life as an elected public official.
If people went into this calling knowing it was a mandatory limited term the motivation of doing whatever necessary to get re-elected could change. Couple this change with stricter rules with regards to lobbyists and you should get a positive result.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
However, I think the point is that most of our “political elites” are ridiculously out of touch with reality for a majority of people. A lot of hyperbole, but I agree that we’d see a huge shift in politics if they had to be in the shoes most of us are in. Or they’d all immediately get bought off and change all the laws lol.
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Well, this is mostly true - and the only reasonable solution imho is term limits. but you have to careful about that as well (you do not want it to be too short - as the quick turnaround will be inefficient as it probably takes a couple of years just to learn the job and do it efficiently) - but you can not have people sitting there for decades.
 
Hoopguru said:
Reasonable Term limits would take away the incentive to dig in for life as an elected public official.
If people went into this calling knowing it was a mandatory limited term the motivation of doing whatever necessary to get re-elected could change. Couple this change with stricter rules with regards to lobbyists and you should get a positive result.
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In theory, the voters would decide who is doing a good job and who is doing a bad job. Of course, voters require a free press to give them the information they need to make an informed decision. Therefor, I'd concentrate on getting us back to having a free press even when it displays news that's not so complimentary of the President.
 
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