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Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
 
Revelation 3:20 - Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Actually, I considering posting this. It's a good one. Did you know that Jesus was actually referencing the (seemingly fallen away - Laodicea) church in this context?
 
Actually, I considering posting this. It's a good one. Did you know that Jesus was actually referencing the (seemingly fallen away - Laodicea) church in this context?

yeah, now that you mention it. I have always liked the idea that all you need to do is ask..so there are several that have stuck with me
 
Christianity is actually a very logical, sensible, and credible religion,

!?!?! Kierkegaard, who was actually a Christian (and who invented the idea of the "leap of faith") said he was a Christian precisely because it was the most absurd religion, thereby requiring the greatest (and thus most praiseworthy) leap of faith. If you can believe in an indivisible being who is at the same time three different beings, including father and son, then you're really capable of overcoming your natural resistance to absurdity.

More than anything, why would you come into a thread that is meant to inspire and give people hope, and then try to shit on them?

Do you know how often Bible verses have been used to justify horror? For just one instance, do you know the history of this particular verse:

"And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

If you can't take the bad with the good, then you indeed should stick to agnosticism.
 
yeah, now that you mention it. I have always liked the idea that all you need to do is ask..so there are several that have stuck with me

Which of course makes me think of Matthew 7:7-11

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!"
 
Timothy 2:12 - "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."
 
Deuteronomy 25:11-13

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
 
John 8:12

Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life."
 
Deuteronomy 25:11-13

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Proverbs 31:20-21 She opens her hand to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of snow for her household, for all her household are clothed in scarlet.


Proverbs 31:26 She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.

ANd let's take a look at our own constitution; that was supposedly a equal rights for all.

http://www.now.org/issues/economic/cea/ireland.html

Women's Less Than Full Equality Under The U.S. Constitution

by Patricia Ireland, NOW President
At a time when women are astronauts and truck drivers, it is hard to believe that the U.S. Constitution does not guarantee women the same rights as men. For most women, equality is a bread-and-butter issue. Women are still paid less on the job and charged more for everything from dry cleaning to insurance. The value of a woman's unpaid work in the home is often not taken into account in determining divorce settlements and pension benefits. When women turn to the courts to right these wrongs, they are at a distinct disadvantage because of what has and hasn't happened to the Constitution.

In 1776 Abigail Adams urged her husband, John, that he and other framers of our founding documents should, "Remember the ladies." John, who went on to become our second president, responded, "Depend upon it. We know better than to repeal our masculine systems," and women were left out of the Constitution.

Nearly a hundred years later, Congress adopted amendments to the Constitution to end slavery and provide justice to former slaves. The 14th Amendment, passed in 1868, guaranteed all "persons" the right to "equal protection under the law." However, the second section of the amendment used the words "male citizens," in describing who would be counted in determining how many representatives each state gets in Congress. This was the first time the Constitution said point blank that women were excluded. Similarly, the 15th Amendment in 1870 extended voting rights to all men -- but not to any women.

It wasn't all doom and gloom for women in the 19th and early 20th centuries, though. Two women active in world anti-slavery efforts, Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, were leaders at the first-ever "Women's Rights Convention" in Seneca Falls, N. Y., in 1848. Their "Declaration of Sentiments" included this play on the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal."

These women and others went on to form what became known as the suffrage movement. We now consider the suffragists the "first wave" of the U.S. feminist movement. During their long campaign to win women the right to vote, they used strategies including marches, pickets, arrests and hunger strikes. They triumphed in 1920 when the states ratified the 19th Amendment to the Constitution, which corrected the long-time injustice the 15th Amendment had put into writing.

Suffragist leader Alice Paul authored the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) to remedy women's exclusion from the 14th Amendment. Introduced in 1923, the ERA was buried in Congress for nearly 50 years. In the late 1960s, the "second wave" of feminist activists took up Alice Paul's cause. After getting the ERA voted out of Congress, we held marches, organized boycotts, lobbied and worked on election campaigns to try to get it passed by the necessary three-fourths of the states. When an arbitrary time limit expired in 1982, the ERA was just three states short of the 38 required for ratification.

The history of Supreme Court rulings on women's rights makes clear why a constitutional guarantee of women's equality is needed. During the first 200 years of our country's history, the Supreme Court justices never saw a discriminatory law against women they didn't like. Illinois wanted to keep women from practicing law? The court in 1873 cited "the law of the Creator" as good enough reason to protect these delicate creatures -- grown women -- from being sullied by the corruption of legal and business practices.

Time and again, women were really being protected from making too much money. Oregon wanted to limit the number of hours women could work? The court in 1908 ruled that women must "rest upon and look to (men) for protection" and also -- in a contradictory view of men -- that the law was needed "to protect (women) from the greed as well as the passion of man." Michigan wanted to allow women to work as waitresses but keep them out of higher-paid bartender jobs? The court in 1948 did not see this as a violation of the Constitution's guarantee of "equal protection."

In modern times, Supreme Court rulings on women's rights have zigged and zagged, backward and forward. In a 1961 case, the justices upheld Florida's virtual exclusion of women from juries because "women are the center of home and family life." The defendant had bludgeoned her husband to death and wanted jurors who might understand how she could be driven to such a deed.

Finally, in 1971, pioneering feminist attorney Ruth Bader Ginsburg made the first breakthrough in the court's "anything goes" attitude toward sex discrimination. She convinced the court to throw out an Idaho law that automatically gave preference to a man over an equally qualified woman when appointing the person responsible for disposing of the property of someone who has died. Ginsburg went on to become the second woman appointed to serve on the Supreme Court. In 1973, the Court struck down a U.S. Air Force policy that automatically gave a married man family housing and medical allowances, while a married woman had to prove she was the "head of household," ie, that she provided all of her own expenses plus at least half of her families in order to qualify for the family benefits.

But in 1977 the justices were back to an old-fashioned view, a more narrow reading of women's equality. A bright eighth-grade girl, named Susan, who'd won science awards wanted to attend Philadelphia's all-boys Central High. It was an academically superior public school; even the school board admitted Girls High had inferior science facilities. But the Supreme Court upheld Central High's exclusion of Susan solely because she was a girl.

More recently, in a 1987 decision that is the only Supreme Court case dealing with affirmative action for women, the justices upheld a county's voluntary plan. The justices allowed the promotion to stand, and the women became the first ever promoted to one of the country's 238 skilled craft jobs. A qualified woman was promoted over a man who had a slightly higher score based on interviews with a team of three men. One of them had called the woman a "rabble rousing skirt" and another had refused to issue her the required coveralls for a previous job.

A case that was before the court in its 1996-1997 term drove home the inequities that still exist at the dawn of the 21st century. A jury had convicted a judge of violating the civil rights of five women by raping, sexually assaulting and harassing the women. An appeals court overruled the jury. Even though courts have ruled repeatedly that it is a violation a person's civil rights to be beaten by a police officer, the appeals court could not see anything in the Constitution that would put this judge on notice that it is just as wrong to rape a woman.

Without a constitutional guarantee of women's equality, even favorable rulings and good laws on women's rights can be ignored, revoked or overruled. Feminist activists have not given up on a women's equality amendment. We know that to get women into the Constitution we will have to elect a lot more people who support that idea. We look to the young women and men who are addressing issues of equality and justice in high schools across the country. We are confident that this "third wave" will soon be ready to accept the baton.
 
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From your link -

Submissive & Respectful

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:22-23, 33 Wives,submit to your own husbands,as to the Lord.Forthe husband is the head of the wife even asChrist is the head of the church, his body, and ishimself its Savior… However,let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that sherespects her husband.


Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, asis fitting in the Lord.
 
From your link -

Submissive & Respectful

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:22-23, 33 Wives,submit to your own husbands,as to the Lord.Forthe husband is the head of the wife even asChrist is the head of the church, his body, and ishimself its Savior… However,let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that sherespects her husband.


Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, asis fitting in the Lord.

ARe you saying those are negative towards women? Doesn't it say also the man submit to their wives? You can't pick a piece of scripture and just assume that was the entire intent.

I can pick apart our constitution and find a bunch of negative, "inequality" comments. So what?
 
ARe you saying those are negative towards women? Doesn't it say also the man submit to their wives? You can't pick a piece of scripture and just assume that was the entire intent.

I can pick apart our constitution and find a bunch of negative, "inequality" comments. So what?

I'm not saying anything. Just having fun. In those 3 scriptures I copied from the site you provided I don't think any of those say that men should submit to women but there were other scriptures from that site that did. I only posted the 3 I did to give you a bad time as I thought it was humorous that a website called "20 Beautiful Bible Verses for Women" had a subsection about women being submissive.
 
I'm not saying anything. Just having fun. In those 3 scriptures I copied from the site you provided I don't think any of those say that men should submit to women but there were other scriptures from that site that did. I only posted the 3 I did to give you a bad time as I thought it was humorous that a website called "20 Beautiful Bible Verses for Women" had a subsection about women being submissive.

I think its beautiful when a wive submits to their husband! ;)
 
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

God kicks ass!!
 
I think its beautiful when a wive submits to their husband! ;)

Then again, there is a HUGE responsibility by the husband as to earn the so-called submission (respect). In all honesty, what the wife would be "submitting" to is the total umbrella of protection and security that her husband provides. In this scenario, what wife wouldn't want to be under such care and comfort?

The Word also maintains, "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved/loves the church." No worries, right?

Context is powerful.
 
Then again, there is a HUGE responsibility by the husband as to earn the so-called submission (respect). In all honesty, what the wife would be "submitting" to is the total umbrella of protection and security that her husband provides. In this scenario, what wife wouldn't want to be under such care and comfort?

The Word also maintains, "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved/loves the church." No worries, right?

Context is powerful.

Submission does not mean the same as respect.
 
Submission does not mean the same as respect.

In the context, the wife's submission (to the God-given authority/protection/security/responsibility God has bestowed upon the husband) goes absolutely hand-in-hand with the husband loving his wife as Christ loved the church. Without those two actions working in tandem, the entire concept strays from what God had/has intended. The onus is on the husband to selflessly love his wife. Only then will she be glad to follow after his lead.
 
"Husbands love your wives as Christ loved/loves the church."

jesus was not a fan of organized religion , condemning the fancy dress and repugnant attitudes of the religious leaders in his day, and im sure even more so now with charlatans running wild every which way you look, not to mention pedophile priests and the horrible things done in "his name" for 2 millennia

so i interpret that passage to mean

husbands love your wife as christ loved the church, with great skepticism and the knowledge that they are unnecessary

and the whole "what woman wouldnt want a husband to take care of her?" thing is so 1950s not to mention "the husbands god given authority" and " happily following his lead"
 
and the whole "what woman wouldnt want a husband to take care of her?" thing is so 1950s not to mention "the husbands god given authority" and " happily following his lead"

A lot of the more religious people I know still seem to feel this way. Pretty much non existent in thought from my non-religious friends.
 
that said, im the sole bread winner, and i get away with murder :lol:
 
jesus was not a fan of organized religion

Read: Pharisees, et al.

The "church" was anything else but. The "church" started with the small body of believers...the Apostles and such.

Jesus called the so-called "religious" leaders a bunch of white-washed tombs.

and the whole "what woman wouldnt want a husband to take care of her?" thing is so 1950s not to mention "the husbands god given authority" and " happily following his lead"

I think you're missed the concept. Read Proverbs 31 sometime. Now that kind of woman was rather enterprising. No reason the wives of today can't strive for the same. :)
 
One of my personal faves from Genesis 5:

26 and Methu'selah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 and all the days of Methu'selah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.


I wonder what the secret to their long-lasting lives was. Obamacare?
 
Can I ask a favor of all of you who have no interest in keeping this an uplifting thread for the purpose of encouragement (as related in the OP)?

Please take your criticisms/objections/detractions to another thread?

I just wanted to start a thread that would be edifying to those of us believers in Christ, as well as for those that wanted to read some encouraging words from the Word of God. I think the thread title is pretty straight forward.

Thanks. :)
 
"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)
 
Can I ask a favor of all of you who have no interest in keeping this an uplifting thread for the purpose of encouragement (as related in the OP)?

Please take your criticisms/objections/detractions to another thread?

I just wanted to start a thread that would be edifying to those of us believers in Christ, as well as for those that wanted to read some encouraging words from the Word of God. I think the thread title is pretty straight forward.

Thanks. :)


I have to tell you, this has been great for me. This week I have been in a very dark place, some stuff came to a head this afternoon, and I was able to keep a cool head and overcome what otherwise may have not gone so well.

Thank you for starting this.
 
as to not derail, ABM, whats your take on Mark 3:28-29?

“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”

ive always been fascinated by this passage
 
as to not derail, ABM, whats your take on Mark 3:28-29?

“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”

ive always been fascinated by this passage


It means don't take the chance and you'll have nothing to worry about. :)
 
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