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MarAzul said:
I guess you and Joe don't quite agree. But I also gather, you don't want to at this point. Just a fine point for you to consider. You are very right in that Iraq is not ours, I never wanted to make a democracy there for sure. But we did, and it cost us. It cost lives, and money to hand the people of Iraq a democracy. It was there as Joe said, one of the greatest achievements of Obama.
Whether that is correct or not, he sure as hell gave it away. And by it, I mean the he squandered the sacrifice in blood and treasure paid by the American people to hand over a democracy to the people of Iraq. That sir, was a fuck up of major purportions.
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Iraq become a democracy in 2004.
 
Ok, now he's claiming that there was widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election. Completely unsubstantiated. But Russian hacking not true, and there is a hell of a lot more smoke there. Conway and Spicer. The best minions money can buy.
 
blue32 said:
Considering that there are places in the USA that you can vote without showing your identification, I wouldn't discount the theory so quickly.
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So how exactly do you envision this large scale mass voter fraud working? Those most be some very motivated voters.
 
blue32 said:
Considering that there are places in the USA that you can vote without showing your identification, I wouldn't discount the theory so quickly.
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He's trying to claim there were 3 - 5 million illegal votes and they all went to Hillary Clinton... how would that work? How would he know they all went to Clinton? I'm seriously asking how you think that would even be possible.
 
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3 million illegal votes would be 60,000 illegal votes per state. Just consider that for a moment. It's a conspiracy of significant proportions and not a single squealer to rat on the conspiracy. It is a chore for me just to vote once. I do it every election. I can't imagine exerting the effort to somehow vote a second time.
 
Sedatedfork said:
3 million illegal votes would be 60,000 illegal votes per state. Just consider that for a moment. It's a conspiracy of significant proportions and not a single squealer to rat on the conspiracy. It is a chore for me just to vote once. I do it every election. I can't imagine exerting the effort to somehow vote a second time.
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My bet, would be in places like these:

No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C.


I would also assume, if this is even true, that it would be mostly from California, and New York.
 
blue32 said:
My bet, would be in places like these:

No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C.


I would also assume, if this is even true, that it would be mostly from California, and New York.
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Ok, but do you really believe that there were 3 million illegal votes?? Just because POTUS can't prove it's not true, does not mean that it is appropriate as POTUS to claim it is true. See the difference?
 
Sedatedfork said:
Ok, but do you really believe that there were 3 million illegal votes?? Just because POTUS can't prove it's not true, does not mean that it is appropriate as POTUS to claim it is true. See the difference?
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Why are you assuming what I believe? I never claimed shit.
All I said was that it could be possible.
 
And why would millions of people vote illegally for Clinton in CA and NY? What would be the point?

barfo
 
Spud147 said:
He's trying to claim there were 3 - 5 million illegal votes and they all went to Hillary Clinton... how would that work? How would he know they all went to Clinton? I'm seriously asking how you think that would even be possible.
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They weren't considered illegal until after they voted for Hillary. The legal illegals voted Trump.
 
barfo said:
And why would millions of people vote illegally for Clinton in CA and NY? What would be the point?

barfo
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Exactly Hillary should've been courting all those available illegal votes in the red states.
 
blue32 said:
Why are you assuming what I believe? I never claimed shit.
All I said was that it could be possible.
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Well you said that you wouldn't be so quick to discount the theory. So, it seemed like you thought it was at least as plausible as Pizzagate.
 
blue32 said:
Why are you assuming what I believe? I never claimed shit.
All I said was that it could be possible.
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And I'm asking how you think that could be possible... how do you think 3 - 5 million illegal votes, all going to one candidate (voted for by secret ballot or in a secret voting booth), could happen?
 
Trump's love of made up numbers is just one more reason why I want to see his taxes.
 
Spud147 said:
And I'm asking how you think that could be possible... how do you think 3 - 5 million illegal votes, all going to one candidate (voted for by secret ballot or in a secret voting booth), could happen?
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I don't know. I didn't make the claim that it did happen. I just said that with current voter rules, that it could happen because people can go in without showing their ID.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Trump's love of made up numbers is just one more reason why I want to see his taxes.
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I'm not surprised to see him throw these crazy "alternative facts" out there because he keeps doing this and his fans will just say, "well that's how he rolls" but I can't get over the fact he's still focusing on the election numbers (and the inauguration numbers for that matter). It's just so irrelevant and trivial at this point... he's been sworn in, let's move on and get to work Mr. Trump. Now he's calling the entire voting process into question and tossing out numbers that any rational person can see just isn't possible. And, if he's so concerned about massive voter fraud, why isn't he drafting legislation to try and fix it immediately?
 
Spud147 said:
I'm not surprised to see him throw these crazy "alternative facts" out there because he keeps doing this and his fans will just say, "well that's how he rolls" but I can't get over the fact he's still focusing on the election numbers (and the inauguration numbers for that matter). It's just so irrelevant and trivial at this point... he's been sworn in, let's move on and get to work Mr. Trump. Now he's calling the entire voting process into question and tossing out numbers that any rational person can see just isn't possible. And, if he's so concerned about massive voter fraud, why isn't he drafting legislation to try and fix it immediately?
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He is working, quite a bit actually. And the convo about the voting numbers was said in "passing" from what Spicer said. Someone just decided to take it public.
 
blue32 said:
I don't know. I didn't make the claim that it did happen. I just said that with current voter rules, that it could happen because people can go in without showing their ID.
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Sure there's potential for voter fraud with mail in ballots but not 3 - 5 million times. Mr. Trump's claim is ludicrous and he's just sent Sean Spicer out to reiterate it.
 
blue32 said:
I don't know. I didn't make the claim that it did happen. I just said that with current voter rules, that it could happen because people can go in without showing their ID.
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It definitely could happen. Another thing that could happen - 5 million drivers could all crash their cars at 4pm today. Probability is infintesimal... but it could happen.

barfo
 
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