Game Thread SEASON 8, The End!

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PCmor7 said:
Yeah, and Tyrion won the Battle of Blackwater and he wanted to be in the fight and ended up in the crypt.
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I can even forgive that (if I feel like being generous). What's ridiculous to me is that he (and Sansa, let alone whoever else was in the crypt) ran and hid when the dead were raised. There were plenty of daggers down there, and those zombies were all entombed in separate sarcophagi which they had to claw their way out of. You're telling me they couldn't stab 'em as they were crawling out of their graves?!
 
PCmor7 said:
Also, is Arya a point guard or a shooting guard?
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LMAO, you're coming strong with the jokes today.

As for Arya, what was with her going from being a bad ass to seeming scared and defeated to back to being a bad ass again. That didn't really make sense to me. It was almost like someone else was Arya for a few minutes. I was trying to figure out something with her using other faces to explain both that and then how she was out by Weirwood Tree but I couldn't really come up with anything that worked.
 
blue9 said:
Good question. Probably tired of being part of this whole shit show without actually having any purpose.
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PCmor7 said:
Pointless death to get her out of the story because they had no further use for her.
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I wish a white walker ripped her necklace off or Sir Beric reanimated as a white walker and killed her (once again would've been extremely ironic) instead of her just offing herself.
 
hoopsjock said:
LMAO, you're coming strong with the jokes today.

As for Arya, what was with her going from being a bad ass to seeming scared and defeated to back to being a bad ass again. That didn't really make sense to me. It was almost like someone else was Arya for a few minutes. I was trying to figure out something with her using other faces to explain both that and then how she was out by Weirwood Tree but I couldn't really come up with anything that worked.
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Maybe being in her first real battle. And in her recent confrontations she's always been the initiator. She, in effect, picked the field for the battles. She was fine until she got knocked into the building. Now her plan is out the window, her mortality becomes apparent to her.

Then Melisande comes and talks to her and it was like she needed that outward confidence to rebuild her own.
 
PCmor7 said:
I didn't see that. It was so dark.
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Yeah some of the memes today making fun of the darkness are pretty funny.

I have a 4k UHD TV and I had every single light turned off in the house and it was STILL dark.
 
hoopsjock said:
Jorah's death was fitting but super predictable. A lot of the appeal of the show was that it was super unpredictable but ever since they surpassed the books it's become too normal.
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This is why I can’t wait for him to finish the books, GRR has already stated in his world Stannis isn’t even necessarily dead. I expect things to be much more different and BETTER in the books.
 
I hope Jon wargs into ghost right before his final death scene, that’s what I’d do.

Then Ghost could ride around on Rhaegals back.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did these fuckers never watch the 300???? Your numbers don't matter if you can funnel them into a small area. I still think trying to fight them at the castle was a mistake. They should have just picked a spot to fight where their numbers were an advantage.

Also..... has nobody ever heard of pikes?
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or Hot Oil for siege defense? Light 'em up.
 
Battle of the Bastards set the bar pretty high for GOT battle scenes, I doubt the “Last War” will surpass it.
 
What's it doing in here?
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Dothraki were....... disappointing.
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Really? I thought that was arguably the most effective sequence in the episode (an episode that I thought was great overall). Especially starting from the Dany-and-Jon eye view, they looked like a "charge of the light" with all those swords creating a swarm of points of light...and then you see from the perspective of the other soldiers the light slowly swallowed up by darkness, leaving only silence. You don't see any of the death, just the light being extinguished and silence.

It was, IMO, a really powerful scene to set up the horror of the battle.
 
Minstrel said:
Really? I thought that was arguably the most effective sequence in the episode (an episode that I thought was great overall). Especially starting from the Dany-and-Jon eye view, they looked like a "charge of the light" with all those swords creating a swarm of points of light...and then you see from the perspective of the other soldiers the light slowly swallowed up by darkness, leaving only silence. You don't see any of the death, just the light being extinguished and silence.

It was, IMO, a really powerful scene to set up the horror of the battle.
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Visually, sure. Totally agree. But from a "let's plan a battle" perspective it was dumb as shit.

This show is suffering from "sitcom misunderstanding syndrome": something happens and the only way for the episode to continue towards the conclusion is for the characters to act completely irrationally, rather than how any typical person with half a brain would react.
 
Minstrel said:
Really? I thought that was arguably the most effective sequence in the episode (an episode that I thought was great overall). Especially starting from the Dany-and-Jon eye view, they looked like a "charge of the light" with all those swords creating a swarm of points of light...and then you see from the perspective of the other soldiers the light slowly swallowed up by darkness, leaving only silence. You don't see any of the death, just the light being extinguished and silence.

It was, IMO, a really powerful scene to set up the horror of the battle.
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Because you would think that a bunch of guys who had been fighting wars for the past few years would know not to charge light cavalry head on into an unknown enemy. That's not how cavalry works. You use them to flank and chip away. You use their speed as an advantage. They wasted all of their speed on an unknown.

Most of their battle plan made no sense at all.

Why not dig trenches a few hundred yards out to slow down the dead? That gives you a chance to whittle down their numbers before they even reach your troops.

Why not hold your cavalry in reserve and then send them in from the side or the rear?

Nothing they did made sense, and you'd think they had zero time to prepare for this, rather than however long Jon was gone trying to convince Dany to come up north. Maybe they didn't have much time with the troops they acquired, but the people in the castle could have been preparing.
 
blue9 said:
Visually, sure. Totally agree. But from a "let's plan a battle" perspective it was dumb as shit.
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I don't disagree. Almost all of the defense of Winterfell was stupid, tactically.

This show is suffering from "sitcom misunderstanding syndrome": something happens and the only way for the episode to continue towards the conclusion is for the characters to act completely irrationally, rather than how any typical person with half a brain would react.
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This is the biggest problem with the show relative to the books. The books, IMO, are about as realistic a depiction of how people would act that a single author (with one person's knowledge and capacity for research) could probably produce. The show adjusts things for better visual effect.

An example is the Night King's end--he didn't have to advance slowly himself to kill Bran. He could have let his undead minions kill Bran. He could have killed him from the air with dragonfire. But the slow advance, with the music and the cuts to all the other desperation happening concurrently, made for a better visual framing, in addition to putting him in reach of Arya for the ending they wanted.
 
Does anyone think Tywin Lannister would have made those kinds of errors? Or Rob Stark?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because you would think that a bunch of guys who had been fighting wars for the past few years would know not to charge light cavalry head on into an unknown enemy. That's not how cavalry works. You use them to flank and chip away. You use their speed as an advantage. They wasted all of their speed on an unknown.

Most of their battle plan made no sense at all.
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Sure. But TV producers are never going to do a show like this with proper grasp of tactics over framing the narrative the way they want, the way they think is most powerful.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure. But TV producers are never going to do a show like this with proper grasp of tactics over framing the narrative the way they want, the way they think is most powerful.
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Well, it's like you said, the books are just better. Period. They're actually fairly realistic in how they portray human emotion and human decision making.

The show runners can't seem to disengage themselves from regular TV thought process.

There's simply no way GRRM would have left so many named characters alive.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't disagree. Almost all of the defense of Winterfell was stupid, tactically.



This is the biggest problem with the show relative to the books. The books, IMO, are about as realistic a depiction of how people would act that a single author (with one person's knowledge and capacity for research) could probably produce. The show adjusts things for better visual effect.

An example is the Night King's end--he didn't have to advance slowly himself to kill Bran. He could have let his undead minions kill Bran. He could have killed him from the air with dragonfire. But the slow advance, with the music and the cuts to all the other desperation happening concurrently, made for a better visual framing, in addition to putting him in reach of Arya for the ending they wanted.
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Yeah, honestly the books (or lack thereof) are probably partially to blame for my rotten opinion about the show. I read the first 4 books long before HBO came along. The fact GRRM has been sitting on his thumbs, coupled with HBO (a) going off the rails and (b) going way too long without any new shows really made my interest wane.

But circling back to your NK comments...

Was that really all the NK wanted with Bran? To kill him? If so, that makes not just the whole battle, but the entire existence of the NK completely stupid. If that's all he wanted he had ample opportunities to do so. Given all the pomp and circumstance surrounding NK and Bran there had better be more to the story than just "he wanted to kill him". And by "more to the story", I don't mean the Children of the Forest NK origin story.
 
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