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Wizard Mentor said:
He also can shoot them with a dip, which in my humble experience, is incredibly hard.
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People don't talk about it much, but given his height, high release, and lack of a dip, he's got one of the hardest to guard three point shots in the game off the catch. Just an ideal spot up shooter.
 
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

RAPTOR numbers:

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Some observations:

Winslow is our best defensive player. Nurk has the highest DEF raptor but DEF raptor heavily favors centers impact. Still Nurk is probably our second best defender.

Sharpe being -.7 as a rookie is impressive, not hurting the team in any real way.

Dame being +5.6 offensive is low for him, he's usually much higher. But I think -2.7 is a record for him defensively.

Nas good offense bad defense, matches the eye test.

It's actually impressive that Eubanks has a -6.1 DEF RAPTOR as a center. You've gotta try to do that.
 
B-Roy said:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

RAPTOR numbers:

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Some observations:

Winslow is our best defensive player. Nurk has the highest DEF raptor but DEF raptor heavily favors centers impact. Still Nurk is probably our second best defender.

Sharpe being -.7 as a rookie is impressive, not hurting the team in any real way.

Dame being +5.6 offensive is low for him, he's usually much higher. But I think -2.7 is a record for him defensively.

Nas good offense bad defense, matches the eye test.

It's actually impressive that Eubanks has a -6.1 DEF RAPTOR as a center. You've gotta try to do that.
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So Grant is the only true two way player statistically?
 
B-Roy said:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

RAPTOR numbers:

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Some observations:

Winslow is our best defensive player. Nurk has the highest DEF raptor but DEF raptor heavily favors centers impact. Still Nurk is probably our second best defender.

Sharpe being -.7 as a rookie is impressive, not hurting the team in any real way.

Dame being +5.6 offensive is low for him, he's usually much higher. But I think -2.7 is a record for him defensively.

Nas good offense bad defense, matches the eye test.

It's actually impressive that Eubanks has a -6.1 DEF RAPTOR as a center. You've gotta try to do that.
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Hmmmm… BPM has Drew as one of our best defenders, better than Nurk. RAPTOR’s box score component has Drew as by far our worst. Does’t breed confidence in these metrics.
 
bobf said:
Hmmmm… BPM has Drew as one of our best defenders, better than Nurk. RAPTOR’s box score component has Drew as by far our worst. Does’t breed confidence in these metrics.
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Are you looking at raw BPM? That's gonna be more noisy than RAPTOR which uses player tracking data.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/position/6

RPM also has Nurk as a +2.80 and Eubanks as a -0.98.

Also the eye test. Eubanks looks way worse than Nurk especially guarding the pick and roll.
 
B-Roy said:
Winslow is our best defensive player. Nurk has the highest DEF raptor but DEF raptor heavily favors centers impact. Still Nurk is probably our second best defender.

Sharpe being -.7 as a rookie is impressive, not hurting the team in any real way.
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Matches my eye test. Shame others can't recognize defense and want to trade Nurk or let go of Justise.

Sharpe's defense has been the single biggest surprise. Can't wait to add GP2.
 
B-Roy said:
Are you looking at raw BPM? That's gonna be more noisy than RAPTOR which uses player tracking data.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/position/6

RPM also has Nurk as a +2.80 and Eubanks as a -0.98.

Also the eye test. Eubanks looks way worse than Nurk especially guarding the pick and roll.
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I’m looking at basketball reference BPM advanced stat. Yeah I think Nurk a better defender but I don’t think Drew is a bad defender.
 
bobf said:
I’m looking at basketball reference BPM advanced stat. Yeah I think Nurk a better defender but I don’t think Drew is a bad defender.
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I've seen Drew get burned a lot. Has had a few nice blocks though. I'd probably rate him as below average for a big. Nurk is clearly superior.

Drew is fine for a limited minute backup; but exposed if he has to start.
 
B-Roy said:
Are you looking at raw BPM? That's gonna be more noisy than RAPTOR which uses player tracking data.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/position/6

RPM also has Nurk as a +2.80 and Eubanks as a -0.98.

Also the eye test. Eubanks looks way worse than Nurk especially guarding the pick and roll.
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Josh Hart is #2 among SGs in DRPM!
Grant is #15 among SFs.
Anfernee is 23rd among SGs.
Dame is 60th among PGs.
Nurk is 2nd among Cs.
 
Giving Jerami more shots just means he takes more of those ISO's that Ant usually takes. Maybe he's effective, maybe not, but my guess is his TS% probably drops like it did in Detroit. Right now, I like the way he's playing off Ant/Dame and the actions we put him in. They'll find ways to get him more shots if he continues to play this well. Ant currently has a bit more playmaking juice.
 
theprunetang said:
Still important out there for matchups and situations, but not the pivotal force that they used to be. And that is ok. But yeah, giving up too much for a center is not a great idea in today's NBA. You think the Wolves GM knows that now?
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I think the Jazz's last game, they might've missed Gobert a little...
 
Have the Blazers ever had 3 players averaging 20 ppg before? Also- how often has it even happened in the NBA? Most recently the KD Warriors?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Have the Blazers ever had 3 players averaging 20 ppg before? Also- how often has it even happened in the NBA? Most recently the KD Warriors?
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Boston had Tatum, Brown and Kemba all over 20 ppg in 19-20
 
B-Roy said:
Giving Jerami more shots just means he takes more of those ISO's that Ant usually takes. Maybe he's effective, maybe not, but my guess is his TS% probably drops like it did in Detroit. Right now, I like the way he's playing off Ant/Dame and the actions we put him in. They'll find ways to get him more shots if he continues to play this well. Ant currently has a bit more playmaking juice.
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Agreed. Grant was starting to be known as a bit of a chucker in Detroit. I am appreciating his improved shot selection.
 
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Backcourt not up to snuff. Simons at 86 RAPTOR, Dame at 45. What's going on there?
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Sounds like a stat to take with a huge grain of salt then.
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It definitely is. Doesn't include wins as part of the formula. I would like to see Dame and Ant get on a roll though.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I'm not sure I understand what information that graphic is supposed to convey.
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I believe X axis is the quality of the player they are covering, Y axis is how well they defend them.
So picking 3 players, Hart, Winslow and Grant, Hart covers the most difficult player on the opposing team, then Grant, then Winslow. Winslow is the best defender of the 3, then Hart, then Grant. All positive defensive players.
 
the website 538 was trying to increase their traffic past polling & politics so they decided (I saw a Nate Silver interview) that developing an aggregate stat for the NBA would generate new traffic. So, Raptor was born

I have not paid a lot of attention to Raptor. I see that last season, Kevin Love, Porzingis, Cameron Johnson, Donovan Mitchell, and Immanuel Quickley were 5 of the top-10 in total raptor. That tells me something about the stat, and it's not something positive. In fact, raptor seems to just love Porzingis and Donovan Mitchell. Again, that tells me something about the stat, and it's again, not positive

I'll just assume whether it's raptor, or PER, or BPM or winshares/48...whatever the single advanced metric you'll get good representation for elite players, and several outliers along with some substantial noise. Probably best to look at all of those stats as well as where players rank on their own teams and how the teams are doing

I guess I just don't trust raptor much yet

by the way, if you look at Woj and Nate Silver they look like brothers
 
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