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BrianFromWA said:
Generally, only those who have "pre-existing" (expensive) conditions and therefore don't care who or how it gets paid, as long as it isn't on them;
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Yikes. This statement is sad.
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
One thing Obamacare has done that people tend to forget, is it eliminated lifetime limits on benefits from health insurance companies. Thank God it did.

Let me ask you, what would you do for children born with permanent disabilities that will require more than $1 million in hospital bills.

Should they have their care denied? Should their parents have to go bankrupt at no fault of their own (other than having a child)?
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Their children's healthcare will not be denied. They will simply have to sacrifice other things in order to "be a responsible parent" and pay for it.

It's simple mathematics.

If they're not my children, then their parents will need to find a way to pay for their care, just as they need to feed and clothe them.

It's part of "being a parenting", and it's what we do. We don't sacrifice our children's healthcare to pay for somebody else's healthcare.
 
MARIS61 said:
Their children's healthcare will not be denied. They will simply have to sacrifice other things in order to "be a responsible parent" and pay for it.

It's simple mathematics.

If they're not my children, then their parents will need to find a way to pay for their care, just as they need to feed and clothe them.

It's part of "being a parenting", and it's what we do. We don't sacrifice our children's healthcare to pay for somebody else's healthcare.
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What if those simple mathematics don't work out because the child requires substantially more care than the parents are able to provide?

Food and clothes are a little different than healthcare that may cost millions of dollars.

If a child is born with major heart defects, for example, and the child can be saved with multiple surgeries, you are ok with the child dying if their parents are hard working middle class americans and are umable to afford such care?

Sacrificing things doesn't work out on your "simple mathematics" when health care for serious birth defects can cost millions.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
If a child is born with major heart defects, for example, and the child can be saved with multiple surgeries, you are ok with the child dying if their parents are hard working middle class americans and are umable to afford such care?
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Birth control is a sin, abortion is murder, letting sick kids suffer and die is simple economics.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
What if those simple mathematics don't work out because the child requires substantially more care than the parents are able to provide?

Food and clothes are a little different than healthcare that may cost millions of dollars.

If a child is born with major heart defects, for example, and the child can be saved with multiple surgeries, you are ok with the child dying if their parents are hard working middle class americans and are umable to afford such care?

Sacrificing things doesn't work out on your "simple mathematics" when health care for serious birth defects can cost millions.
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Yes, I am okay with accepting reality, rather than pretend stealing money from working citizens to pay for the extreme costs of non-working citizens and the extreme costs of some other working citizens will result in an overall improvement of healthcare for all concerned.

As for people dying, sucks to be them but we're in the middle of a population explosion that will destroy the earth if not reversed and corrected by either an immediate stoppage of all human birth on the planet, or a rapid acceleration of human deaths.
 
CupWizier said:
Is that your way of not having an educated response and instead I get the double WtAF, lOL? Good luck on your path.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/19/cbo...umber-of-uninsured-by-27-million-by-2020.html

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...ws-poll-obamacares-popularity-is-at-an-a.html

Have a nice evening.
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You earned the double WtAF. I don't have to have a response to every straw man, hence the WtAF. Twice.
Literally said nothing in my post about a) republicans, b) Trump, c) popular opinion. I did bring up why I ridiculed ObamaCare. I'll post it again:
I ridicule ObamaCare because it literally does nothing for "care", and only makes it a) that the government is imposing a false prop for prices to go up without accountability, b) that it places every dollar of healthcare through a filter of "insurance", and c) taxes those who don't want to participate in a broken and corrupt scheme."
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MARIS61 said:
Yes, I am okay with accepting reality, rather than pretend stealing money from working citizens to pay for the extreme costs of non-working citizens and the extreme costs of some other working citizens will result in an overall improvement of healthcare for all concerned.

As for people dying, sucks to be them but we're in the middle of a population explosion that will destroy the earth if not reversed and corrected by either an immediate stoppage of all human birth on the planet, or a rapid acceleration of human deaths.
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Except for the innocent children that need extreme healthcare eh? Boy, if they are not born into a 1%er family, sucks to be them!

Cause fuck'em that's why!

Damn. Cold blooded. If it isn't my family! Fuck 'em!
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
Except for the innocent children that need extreme healthcare eh? Boy, if they are not born into a 1%er family, sucks to be them!

Cause fuck'em that's why!

Damn. Cold blooded. If it isn't my family! Fuck 'em!
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More like, don't steal from my family because stealing is wrong. Bad people steal.

Obamacare doesn't tax 1%ers, it taxes the 90%ers who really can't afford it, with a goal of making 1%ers richer by destroying the middle class.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Except for the innocent children that need extreme healthcare eh? Boy, if they are not born into a 1%er family, sucks to be them!

Cause fuck'em that's why!

Damn. Cold blooded. If it isn't my family! Fuck 'em!
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We have charities in this world that do everything.

Build houses
Shelter abused women and children
Feed the homeless
A dentist I had went to Africa every year and fixed people's teeth.

None of that is like insurance. You have car insurance but you don't get to buy a wrecked Ferrari for cheap and expect Geico to fix it for you after the fact.

If you have a child born today that only needs a heart transplant and maybe a liver or a kidney or two how is your let's say 1000 bucks a month insurance payment supposed to cover it?

It can't. There is no tweaking Obamacare and keeping the insurance we have as it is today and keeping costs down. My insurance is crap compared to 10 years ago and the plans people buy out of pocket in the exchanges sound terrifyingly bad AND expensive.

The only thing that this bill seems to have done is push us towards single payer. Maybe that was the intent considering nobody in their right mind could think this would work.
 
Yes, allowing children to die while having a military that can kill everyone else is the true measure of greatest country on earth and will surely inspire god to bless us.

Can I get an amen?
 
MARIS61 said:
More like, don't steal from my family because stealing is wrong. Bad people steal.

Obamacare doesn't tax 1%ers, it taxes the 90%ers who really can't afford it, with a goal of making 1%ers richer by destroying the middle class.
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How about be a decent human being and pitch in a little bit more money so little Johnny can have a life in the great US of A! Instead of dying because a "real" American wanted to replenish his dildo collection.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
We have charities in this world that do everything.

Build houses
Shelter abused women and children
Feed the homeless
A dentist I had went to Africa every year and fixed people's teeth.

None of that is like insurance. You have car insurance but you don't get to buy a wrecked Ferrari for cheap and expect Geico to fix it for you after the fact.

If you have a child born today that only needs a heart transplant and maybe a liver or a kidney or two how is your let's say 1000 bucks a month insurance payment supposed to cover it?

It can't. There is no tweaking Obamacare and keeping the insurance we have as it is today and keeping costs down. My insurance is crap compared to 10 years ago and the plans people buy out of pocket in the exchanges sound terrifyingly bad AND expensive.

The only thing that this bill seems to have done is push us towards single payer. Maybe that was the intent considering nobody in their right mind could think this would work.
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Obamacare today is making it so sick children and adults get all the care that they need. There is no longer a dollar limit on that.

The ferrari comparison is stupid.

Health care is a human right.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Obamacare today is making it so sick children and adults get all the care that they need. There is no longer a dollar limit on that.

The ferrari comparison is stupid.

Health care is a human right.
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No. Health care is not a human right.

How much propaganda does one have to suffer through to buy that nonsense?

You don't have a right to make me take care of you.

You don't have a right to make me fix your car. Drop your insurance and then wreck it and see what happens.

We live in a society that we have established a framework that we all can work within. Insurance was one of those things we created.

I have my own issues with insurance, mainly the obvious conflict of a for profit company determining what I need done based on costs. That's the system we had.

I don't even know what we have now.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
How about be a decent human being and pitch in a little bit more money so little Johnny can have a life in the great US of A! Instead of dying because a "real" American wanted to replenish his dildo collection.
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For little Johnny to live out his expensive and non-productive life in his bubble, ten maybe twenty other kids have to suffer and perhaps die for lack of healthcare.

That's reality, regardless of your flippant posts.

You care about Johnny, give him all your money.

Keep your greedy little paws off mine, as it's spoken for.
 
A Quarter Million Real Americans have donated in 5 days.

$13,977,248 of $1.0B goal

Raised by 229,002 people in 5 days
 
If every Trump voter ponied up $35/month for a year, they'd have $25B for the wall.
 
MARIS61 said:
For little Johnny to live out his expensive and non-productive life in his bubble, ten maybe twenty other kids have to suffer and perhaps die for lack of healthcare.

That's reality, regardless of your flippant posts.

You care about Johnny, give him all your money.

Keep your greedy little paws off mine, as it's spoken for.
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This post proves healthy people can live unproductive hate filled lives too. Don't discriminate!
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
No. Health care is not a human right.

How much propaganda does one have to suffer through to buy that nonsense?

You don't have a right to make me take care of you.

You don't have a right to make me fix your car. Drop your insurance and then wreck it and see what happens.

We live in a society that we have established a framework that we all can work within. Insurance was one of those things we created.

I have my own issues with insurance, mainly the obvious conflict of a for profit company determining what I need done based on costs. That's the system we had.

I don't even know what we have now.
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It's called being a decent human being.

But to each their own.

No burgerville for you.
 
BrianFromWA said:
You used "stupid", I won't (to keep this away from the poster and onto the post), but if one supported every single thing any President did, one isn't smart, one is a sycophant. I mean, just the issues of keeping GTMO open and keeping troops in Afghanistan are anathema to what got you to vote for him. Going after state-legal marijuana growers? Executive orders to force immigration policy? You support all of these? When he opened up the Arctic for drilling in 2015? Or when he closed it again in 2016? Selling Iran nuclear manufacturing technology, but revoking their purchase of air-defense technology? How can you do both?

If this was hyperbole for comic effect, I obviously missed it.
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Hinting at stupid is not commenting on the post but rather the poster albeit in a slightly indirect way. Boo
Calling someone a sycophant is again an indirect way of hitting at the poster. Boo, again.
I don't recall the arctic drilling incident so can't comment on that unless you care to elaborate.
Selling Iran nuclear technology again is so vague that I can't comment unless you care to elaborate.
Keeping GTMO open is because of the Republican Congress and not because of Obama.
Keeping troops in Afghanistan is a good idea although drawing down is also a good idea. Advocating is one of Obama's errors in the early stages of his Presidency in my opinion. That one did not occur to me off the top of my head.
 
MARIS61 said:
More like, don't steal from my family because stealing is wrong. Bad people steal.

Obamacare doesn't tax 1%ers, it taxes the 90%ers who really can't afford it, with a goal of making 1%ers richer by destroying the middle class.
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You must think Trump is horrific.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Obamacare today is making it so sick children and adults get all the care that they need. There is no longer a dollar limit on that.

The ferrari comparison is stupid.

Health care is a human right.
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Health care is a human right? How so? Please eaborate on how you beleive it os yourcrightvto tax me for your health issues?

SlyPokerCat said:
This post proves healthy people can live unproductive hate filled lives too. Don't discriminate!
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Hate, so then to be fair, does that mean that every human who chooses to sit on the couch drinking soda and eating potato chips hate those that take care of themselves aNd dont impose thier health issues on others?

SlyPokerCat said:
It's called being a decent human being.

But to each their own.

No burgerville for you.
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Being a Decent human being is having self control and discipline and sef respect enough to take care of ones body, so health issues dont arise, forcing others to deal with.

This country has an obesity problem due to increased employment driven by the brain and not physical labor. So, because people choose not to excersize regularly to counteract our evolving labor force life styles, everyone else should pay for the eventual health issues these choices created?

I dont think so.

Health care isnt a human right, but do you know what is?
The right to care for yourself.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I have my own issues with insurance, mainly the obvious conflict of a for profit company determining what I need done based on costs. That's the system we had.

I don't even know what we have now.
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That's the system we still have.
 
We get taxed. Whether we should or not is a different debate, but we get taxed.

When we vote for people, we are essentially declaring how we would like our tax dollars to be spent.

Some people would rather a larger portion of our taxes go to making sure our country, the richest country in the history of the earth, can take care of its citizens health care.

Some people would rather build a wall.

To each their own.
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
We get taxed. Whether we should or not is a different debate, but we get taxed.

When we vote for people, we are essentially declaring how we would like our tax dollars to be spent.

Some people would rather a larger portion of our taxes go to making sure our country, the richest country in the history of the earth, can take care of its citizens health care.

Some people would rather build a wall.

To each their own.
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I always knew I liked you.

Not even going to respond to uncompassionates anymore.

Some of us think taking care of sick children no matter what is a priority.

Some of us want to keep restocking our dildo collections instead of letting little johnny live. Or build a wall. Damn mexicans!
 
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