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SlyPokerDog said:
Just imagine once we have time travel, Bill Gates is going to get so laid in high school.

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Shit, for the amount of coin he has, i would have hit on him.
 
Spud147 said:
Okay, but those women who didn't want pro-active birth control still had to get pregnant by someone and those men could've addressed pro-active birth control from the tip off... I mean from the horn... um... I mean before the... err... :grouphug:
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My point was all parties wanted to get pregnant. The state just so happened to pick up the entire tab of the pregnancy.

So i agree pro-active helps, but some people just don't care that taxpayers pay for their pregnancy....want kids....and just do it. Then the state picks it up.
 
Recent research into Christopher Columbus’s own diary and the diaries of others that were with him on their voyages to our continent have revealed very sad facts.

Columbus feed his dogs live native baby’s for dog food. He killed hundreds of thousands of natives. He rewarded his men by giving them 8-10 year old girls to be used as sex slaves. He also started the slave trade in our continent by sending natives back to Europe as slaves. And yet, we honor him with a national holiday and give all federal employees the day off with pay.

My point is, much of history as we where taught, and many of our beliefs, including religious beliefs, were formed long before modern science and research gave us an accurate accounting.

We are now at a point where we should question every belief. This includes religious beliefs that support killing a life for any reason, even unborn life. And we should also question the history we where taught. And then demand corrections are made.
 
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We should also question the belief that women are incubators. That sexuality in women is a sin that needs punishing. That men should have control over women's bodies. That what happens in a woman's body is somehow subject to veto power by a Congressperson or state legislator who does not know her or care about her.

I don't want sex with Bill Gates, rich or poor.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
My point was all parties wanted to get pregnant. The state just so happened to pick up the entire tab of the pregnancy.

So i agree pro-active helps, but some people just don't care that taxpayers pay for their pregnancy....want kids....and just do it. Then the state picks it up.
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Oh, gotcha, yeah I've run across that myself in the past and it's frustrating. I worked with a woman many years ago who had a low paying job (with health insurance) and a chronically unemployed husband who announced that she was going to have 4 children with or without her husband. They already had 2 children and were struggling to make ends meet but she wasn't content with that.

The thing for me is that, for the greater good of society, we can't abandon these children even if their parents are dumbasses.
 
D-Rock said:
Off topic a bit, but I'm curious what people's thoughts are if a woman claims to be on birth control, but actually is not and secretly wants to get pregnant from the guy, gets pregnant, and now wants child support from the father. It's her body. She chose not to use birth control, but now the guy has no choice whether to pay child support because he was lied to.

Before anyone says, "there's no 100% guarantee that birth control works," in this scenario, the guy wouldn't have had sex with her had she not lied, or at least would have worn protection.
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50 years in prison.
 
In response do D-rock's question, rare, but happens. (The opposite is more likely, the man does not pay child support.)

If you don't want your partner to get pregnant, use a condom, have a vasectomy, explore alternate sexual practices besides heterosexual penis/vagina intercourse.

Child support is for the child, not the parent. It's recognition the child has no control over his/her birth, regardless of circumstances. Taking away child support punishes the child.
 
Spud147 said:
And Planned Parenthood is trying to help all people, even poor people, avoid having to make a choice like that.
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theprunetang said:
Nice take......oh wait, the same people who are against abortion are totally down with the death penalty. Hypocritical, I would say.
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Not really. Since death penalty is a result of breaking the law. Not because the person sentenced to death inconvienienced someone.
 
Sedatedfork said:
You don't get it @crandc Pregnant women must be held captive for 9 months until they give birth and then after they give birth they must incur thousands and thousands of dollars in debt when they don't have health insurance, not to mention the pain of labor, and then their children must make it on their own without any support from the government, because we decided help from the government is bad.
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Once again. Its not her fault for having sex. Choices shouldnt have consequences. Poor women.
 
Women are forced to deal with unwanted pregnancy 100% of the time (you may not agree with how they deal with it but they absolutely deal with it) and they have 100% right to control what happens to their body 100% of the time.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Of course. But i wouldnt marry a baby murderer to begin with. That's why my ex is my ex.
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Well you wouldn't be sitting here, apparently scarred for life, if you hadn't been having sex with a woman with "loose morals" in the first place. But maybe she lied to you and you might have been fooled into thinking she was someone she's not when you first fell for her. Maybe you were wrong about your ex... I think there are a couple single mothers out there who can relate.
 
Sedatedfork said:
So you support imprisoning women while they are pregnant and forcing them to give birth?
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i support people living with the consequences of their actions. no i dont think we should put women who are pregnant in prison, unless they broke the law.
 
Spud147 said:
Women are forced to deal with unwanted pregnancy 100% of the time (you may not agree with how they deal with it but they absolutely deal with it) and they have 100% right to control what happens to their body 100% of the time.
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if they dont want to be pregnant why not use birth control or not have sex?
 
Lovely, rasheedfan. I was waiting for that one.
1. The organizations and politicians who oppose abortion also oppose birth control. That is why they want to get rid of both Planned Parenthood and the Affordable Care Act.When PP was defunded in Wisconsin, Texas, Indiana, there was a big spike in unwanted pregnancy and maternal mortality along with STDs and an HIV epidemic in Indiana.
2. No birth control is 100%.
3. Women get raped.

Any more questions? Still insisting you can force your will on women's bodies?

I'm somehow not convinced that when you proposed to your wife, you said will you marry me and carry a rapist pregnancy? Will you force any daughter to carry a rapist pregnancy?

Fuck, I can't imagine a more romantic proposal.
 
Spud147 said:
I don't know, I can't answer for "them". Why were you having sex with an untrustworthy woman?
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We all make mistakes. I was willing to live with the consequences. Some people dont like personal responsibility. Hence those who take the easy way out and kill babies.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
We all make mistakes. I was willing to live with the consequences. Some people dont like personal responsibility. Hence those who take the easy way out and kill babies.
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Have you Facebook stalked her yet? If she has kids you should find them and tell them how their mommy is going to kill them like she did her first child.
 
You keep saying 'live with the consequences'. There are always consequences. The argument here is over what consequences there should be, not over whether there should be any.

barfo
 
I think a lot of people who are so anti birth control or abortion and don't think the state should help them out should volunteer to work in the slums of Brazil or the Phillipines and gain some perspective to exactly what that culture leads to. Not a lot of Mother Theresa's left out there...I've seen orphan prisons...both my parents were orphaned during the great depression here...I'm pro choice and men have no business dictating women't choices in these matters....education needs to agree about some of these issues so kids become aware at a young age....humans aren't going to be responsible very often when it comes to sex most of the time, especially teens
 
barfo said:
You keep saying 'live with the consequences'. There are always consequences. The argument here is over what consequences there should be, not over whether there should be any.

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The argument is wheter taking a life is a morally acceptable consequence when the one sentenced to death never broke the law.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
The argument is wheter taking a life is a morally acceptable consequence when the one sentenced to death never broke the law.
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We can't really answer the question unless we know if the child was going to grow up to be democrat or republican.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
We all make mistakes. I was willing to live with the consequences. Some people dont like personal responsibility. Hence those who take the easy way out and kill babies.
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No, see, that's where you are missing the point. You are living with the consequences of your bad decision and so is she. If what you say about her is true (she was afraid of what the church people would say) this was a horribly painful decision she felt she had to make and it will stay with her forever. Definitely not easy for her, just not your choice.
 
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