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JFizzleRaider said:
You guys are ridiculous. How fast it goes to "chaining her up in a basement."
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And bondage/chain play can be fun. Do you have a basement? Have you asked if she would like to be chained up in it? Have you offered to be chained up in the basement. Maybe she as some unfulfilled dom fantasies.
 
dviss1 said:
Men need to get out of the argument when it comes to abortion. It's not your body. You are not carrying anything. It's the woman's Choice should always be the woman's choice men should truly shut the fuck up about it.
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My murdered daughter thanks you for your input.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Ultimately if she was very serious about getting one, i would be a little hurt, but i would acknowledge her choice.

But someone telling me to just shut the fuck up about it is a little strong.
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Told my ex to have it. Told her id take care of everything and she never had to be part of our lives if she didnt want too. But people in her church would see her belly and know she was a harlot, so it had to go.

I believe people should be able to make free choices in this country. Unborn included, and im pretty sure theyd choose life.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's nuts to deny a woman the right to choose what to do with her own body.

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This is where the pro abortion supporters lose me. It is not the women’s body that is killed during an abortion.

I am not against abortion because some religion or political party tells me it is wrong. I am against abortion because nature shows me it is wrong. It is killing a life form, murder.

Birth control has been practiced for thousands of years. One of the earliest recorded birth control prescriptions included a mixture of honey, dates, cotton or lint, and several other items to create a diaphragm type sperm block. Sponges soaked with lemon juice had spermicidal properties. There are many more ancient birth control methods, but you get the idea.

Today, there are several simple and reliable options to prevent a pregnancy. If women choose to have sex, and are not competent enough, and mature enough, and educated enough to prevent an un-wanted pregnancy with birth control methods, then they are not ready to have sex.
 
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oldfisherman said:
This is where the pro abortion supporters lose me. It is not the women’s body that is killed during and abortion.

I am not against abortion because some religion or political party tells me it is wrong. I am against abortion because nature shows me it is wrong. It is killing a life form, murder.

Birth control has been practiced for thousands of years. One of the earliest recorded birth control prescriptions included a mixture of honey, dates, cotton or lint, and several other items to create a diaphragm type sperm block. Sponges soaked with lemon juice had spermicidal properties. There are many more ancient birth control methods, but you get the idea.

Today, there are several simple and reliable options to prevent a pregnancy. If women choose to have sex, and are not competent enough, and mature enough, and educated enough to prevent an un-wanted pregnancy with birth control methods, then they are not ready to have sex.
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It's the woman's body. It's a kind of imprisonment to force her to do something she doesn't want to do with her own body. Especially for many months, massive pain, and an unwanted and unnecessary responsibility for the baby once born.

People make mistakes. You're not going to threaten or scare people into not having sex. It's even worse when religious practice prohibits reliable options.
 
@blue32 your efforts are commendable, but the arguement will never resonate with liberals. The root of the issue is when does life begin. They have lied to themselves enough that they believe a baby is just a parasite until it can survive on it's own. Thats why abortions are not morally wrong in their eyes. They say words like "it" and "fetus" because this sits well with their conscience. Its amazing these people are often anti death penalty for murderers. Those who had a chance and took the wrong path. But they are fine with death penalty of unborn because they believe statistically the child will turn into a net negative on society.
 
Denny Crane said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/...&gwh=F77D4B792E6F4D2737B4686BBC0200C3&gwt=pay

2 Abortion Foes Behind Planned Parenthood Videos Are Indicted
By MANNY FERNANDEZJAN. 25, 2016

HOUSTON — A grand jury here that was investigating accusations of misconduct against Planned Parenthood has instead indicted two abortionopponents who made undercover videos of the organization.

Prosecutors in Harris County said one of the leaders of the Center for Medical Progress — an anti-abortion group that made secretly recorded videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood officials trying to illegally profit from the sale of fetal tissue — had been indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record, a felony, and on a misdemeanor charge related to purchasing human organs.
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I believe this is the stuff that DVISS was talking about. I don't think these people were apart of the Federal investigation. Either way, the investigation report is going to Congress with a recommendation of de-funding PPFA.


Spud147 said:
Not if you don't have money to pay for it.

Offering low costs birth control now prevents the need for services like housing and food stamps later. And you can't act like CNN is a joke and treat Breitbart like it's The Truth. They are well-known right wing liars. And I know I'm making a big assumption here but I bet you're one of those people who want to build that wall to keep the illegals from getting assistance when the reality is the vast majority of those receiving government assistance are single mothers. I am a nationalist at my core. I want a strong America first and foremost. (NOT a white nationalist; some people like to lump those together)
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What does Breitbart have to do with this? The evidence I posted was on the .GOV sites, the 400+ page final report, and their special press release about the findings going to congress.

FWIW, I want the wall built, either hypothetically or not, to keep illegal immigration at bay. I do not want people here illegally and that is it. I could care less about other countries expecting mothers.
 
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rasheedfan2005 said:
@blue32 your efforts are commendable, but the arguement will never resonate with liberals. The root of the issue is when does life begin. They have lied to themselves enough that they believe a baby is just a parasite until it can survive on it's own. Thats why abortions are not morally wrong in their eyes. They say words like "it" and "fetus" because this sits well with their conscience. Its amazing these people are often anti death penalty for murderers. Those who had a chance and took the wrong path. But they are fine with death penalty of unborn because they believe statistically the child will turn into a net negative on society.
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I know the hypocrisy is astounding.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's the woman's body. It's a kind of imprisonment to force her to do something she doesn't want to do with her own body. Especially for many months, massive pain, and an unwanted and unnecessary responsibility for the baby once born.

People make mistakes. You're not going to threaten or scare people into not having sex. It's even worse when religious practice prohibits reliable options.
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Funny how women want equality but dont want to take responsibility when it comes to having sex.

What if a man doesnt want the child but the woman does? Now he gets stuck with child support payments for 18 years.

If women want equality how about she pays the father 18 years of child support for every abortion?
 
I had this arguement in an ethics. Class. The feminazis attacked me. And ended on a question they thought would stump me for sure.

What if your wife was raped and impregnated?

My answer was simple. If i had a hypothetical wife, then theoretically i love her, because i wouldnt wife someone i didnt love. And part of a marriage vowe is for better or for worse, till death do us part. So i would encourage my wife to have the child, and i'd raise it as my own. Why would i kill the child? Id much prefer to kill the rapist. And you bet your god damn ass i would kill him and sleep like a baby after.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
@blue32 your efforts are commendable, but the arguement will never resonate with liberals. The root of the issue is when does life begin. They have lied to themselves enough that they believe a baby is just a parasite until it can survive on it's own. Thats why abortions are not morally wrong in their eyes. They say words like "it" and "fetus" because this sits well with their conscience. Its amazing these people are often anti death penalty for murderers. Those who had a chance and took the wrong path. But they are fine with death penalty of unborn because they believe statistically the child will turn into a net negative on society.
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And Planned Parenthood is trying to help all people, even poor people, avoid having to make a choice like that.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I love women, I actually live with one. Have only dated them. Even lost my virginity with one. I support organizations like Planned Parenthood that keeps them healthy and safe.
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You lost me at "Even lost my virginity with one". Anybody believe that actually happened?
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
@blue32 your efforts are commendable, but the arguement will never resonate with liberals. The root of the issue is when does life begin. They have lied to themselves enough that they believe a baby is just a parasite until it can survive on it's own. Thats why abortions are not morally wrong in their eyes. They say words like "it" and "fetus" because this sits well with their conscience. Its amazing these people are often anti death penalty for murderers. Those who had a chance and took the wrong path. But they are fine with death penalty of unborn because they believe statistically the child will turn into a net negative on society.
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Nice take......oh wait, the same people who are against abortion are totally down with the death penalty. Hypocritical, I would say.
 
theprunetang said:
Nice take......oh wait, the same people who are against abortion are totally down with the death penalty. Hypocritical, I would say.
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How so? If one believes that there are acts a person can commit that are deserving of death, it isn't inconsistent to also state that an unborn child has yet to perform any of those acts, and is therefore not deserving of death.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
How so? If one believes that there are acts a person can commit that are deserving of death, it isn't inconsistent to also state that an unborn child has yet to perform any of those acts, and is therefore not deserving of death.
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I haven't even stated my beliefs yet. I was just responding to him and pointing out his hypocrisy. To be ok with abortion and against capital punishment is pretty equivalent to being against abortion and pro capital punishment. He called out one side. I'll call out the other.
 
theprunetang said:
I haven't even stated my beliefs yet. I was just responding to him and pointing out his hypocrisy. To be ok with abortion and against capital punishment is pretty equivalent to being against abortion and pro capital punishment. He called out one side. I'll call out the other.
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Neither have I. What I'm saying is that the two positions you describe are not necessarily equally hypocritical. I'll explain.

Position 1: Death Penalty bad, abortion OK. Generally, opponents of us death penalty are so because is wrong to kill anybody. Therefore, the same logic arguably should be applied to unborn lives as well, hence the claim of hypocrisy.

Position 2: Abortion bad, death penalty OK. Generally, opponents of abortion are so because innocent lives should be protected. The same logic doesn't apply to convicted murderers, since they're not innocent, so there is no inherent hypocrisy.

Does that make sense?
 
Man the poor are already so desperate in this country. That's why you hear stories like "Mom eats arm off of stranger in order to steal Capri Sun for daughter". Defunding PP will do wonders for putting this country on the fast track to hell.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
So If my wife and I get her pregnant by having sex, she should be able to go and have an abortion because it is her choice without even talking to me about it? That seems a little off.

And for the record, i don't agree with abortion but I am also for people making their own decisions if it doesn't affect me. Some random person having an abortion has nothing to do with me.
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It's the only way. It's not your body. You cannot govern her body. You cannot choose for her. It's the only way.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Ultimately if she was very serious about getting one, i would be a little hurt, but i would acknowledge her choice.

But someone telling me to just shut the fuck up about it is a little strong.
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I'm telling all men to shut the fuck up about it me included. I'm going to shut the fuck up about a woman's right to govern her body. Join me!
 
blue32 said:
Reaching.... but we'll continue... they probably should not have had sex then if they can't be responsible for their actions.
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So you're saying there's not a direct link between crime and poverty??
 
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