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Fun trick: go to a restaurant in SE Portland, and see how long it takes before they play Radiohead. I swear I hear more Radiohead at the Hophouse on Hawthorne than I would at an actual fucking Radiohead concert.
 
This is an honest question. Is a string of low playoff seeds and multiple first round exits a lot better than missing the playoffs altogether for a couple of years?

It's not a lot worse; It's basically the difference between 13 and 14 in the draft. No, if you're going to suck, suck all the way. But only one team a year gets to be #1 in the draft, just like only one team a year gets to wear rings the next year. Just "missing the playoffs" isn't enough. You gotta tank with gusto. The average draft is only 6-8 players deep, with number 1/2 being the only "game-changer" in a draft. What if we get 4th? Tank again. Tank until we get #1... then maybe once more for another 4.

To put Masbee's point into dates and gates: are you willing to watch young guys tanking in the 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 seasons if it means an opportunity to compete legitimately in 2018? Is "Just Wait til 2018" going to look good on a black and red t-shirt?

I agree that mediocrity is... mediocre, man. But 14 teams every year are in this range: not good enough to make the finals, but good enough to make the playoffs. We aren't at the top of the bell curve, but we aren't way off the left side either. It's the nature of sports. You win some, you lose some. And for 29 teams every year, your season ends in a heartbreaking loss. That's life.

We will need to get worse before we get better, but I'd contend that we're probably happier now in a small pile of shit than risking an even worse situation for a long time by blowing it up again.
 
It's not a lot worse; It's basically the difference between 13 and 14 in the draft. No, if you're going to suck, suck all the way. But only one team a year gets to be #1 in the draft, just like only one team a year gets to wear rings the next year. Just "missing the playoffs" isn't enough. You gotta tank with gusto. The average draft is only 6-8 players deep, with number 1/2 being the only "game-changer" in a draft. What if we get 4th? Tank again. Tank until we get #1... then maybe once more for another 4.

To put Masbee's point into dates and gates: are you willing to watch young guys tanking in the 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 seasons if it means an opportunity to compete legitimately in 2018? Is "Just Wait til 2018" going to look good on a black and red t-shirt?

I agree that mediocrity is... mediocre, man. But 14 teams every year are in this range: not good enough to make the finals, but good enough to make the playoffs. We aren't at the top of the bell curve, but we aren't way off the left side either. It's the nature of sports. You win some, you lose some. And for 29 teams every year, your season ends in a heartbreaking loss. That's life.

We will need to get worse before we get better, but I'd contend that we're probably happier now in a small pile of shit than risking an even worse situation for a long time by blowing it up again.

The great news about this team is that they don't have to blow it up. LA, Batum, Matthews, Nolan Smith, maybe even Williams are solid pieces.
 
And one final point: exactly how many titles has OKC won since acquiring Durant?
How many have the Heat won since getting the Big 3? NYK, Since getting Melo & Stoudemire?
 
The great news about this team is that they don't have to blow it up. LA, Batum, Matthews, Nolan Smith, maybe even Williams are solid pieces.

This summer will definitely be interesting.

To play devil's advocate: we have those solid pieces, but can we get better without getting rid of them? We can place some blame on Felton and Crawford, and probably some on Nate (I hope you don't think I'm pandering to you ;) ), but is there actually addition by subtraction there? Wouldn't we have to trade at least half of those guys to get better? And wouldn't that leave us weaker than before?
 
This summer will definitely be interesting.

To play devil's advocate: we have those solid pieces, but can we get better without getting rid of them? We can place some blame on Felton and Crawford, and probably some on Nate (I hope you don't think I'm pandering to you ;) ), but is there actually addition by subtraction there? Wouldn't we have to trade at least half of those guys to get better? And wouldn't that leave us weaker than before?

Maybe. I think Wallace can be dealt to give us some good pieces. They are definitely going to have to be a little more creative than they have been recently
 
Maybe. I think Wallace can be dealt to give us some good pieces. They are definitely going to have to be a little more creative than they have been recently

I agree. I like Wallace - but there are good reasons not to make him a long-term building block. As for Felton....if you can get value for him, do it! The team needs to be open minded about trades. Playing for the 7th or 8th seed in this mess of a season should not be the over-riding priority.
 
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I agree. I like Wallace - but there are good reasons to make him a long-term building block. As for Felton....if you can get value for him, do it! The team needs to be open minded about trades. Playing for the 7th or 8th seed in this mess of a season should not be the over-riding priority.

Earlier in the season when it looked to me like Top 4 seed was possible, I would have said go for it, do whatever it takes to get Top 4 and let it ride. Now, I'd rather rest guys than run them. This season is a goat rodeo.
 
Paul Allen did say the team is not for sale but would reconsider if we went through a start-from-scratch rebuild again.
 
How do you consider this group "under-achieving" exactly?

Wallace and Felton have never won anything. LaMarcus is barely a 2nd option on a great team and our young players are garbage.

LaMarcus was just chosen as one of the 20 players competing for a spot on Team USA - but he's barely a 2nd option on a great team? Give me a break.
 
LaMarcus was just chosen as one of the 20 players competing for a spot on Team USA - but he's barely a 2nd option on a great team? Give me a break.

Lma is considered a top 25 player in the league. Guess that means he would only be a good #1 on 5 teams because 22p a game is easy to replicate. /end green font

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Ummmmm, anyone else seen enough yet?

The Blazer home games have included some of the best basketball I've seen in years. The road games have, in general, made me want to hurt things. This is a Jekyll and Hyde team at the moment, for better or for worse. And it would still be a mistake to blow anything up right now.
 

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