Tech Self Driving cars

[MARIS61]

Maris's analogy of self-driving cars to a self-eating steak makes no sense. The value of the steak is in the nutrition it provides. The value of a car is in it's ability to get the user from point-a to point-b at the time he wants without having to wait for shared rides.

Wrong on both accounts.

The value in eating a steak is in the actual eating of the steak. The exercise your muscles and teeth get from chewing, the pleasurable sensations your taste buds receive from the juices, the beneficial processes from your saliva, and the feelings of satisfaction and relaxation in the aftermath.

You can receive the same nutrition from a pill, but none of the other benefits.


The value of a car is having complete physical as well as mental control over all movement of the vehicle, giving you full responsibility for it's actions and the consequences of those actions. This value not only gives me the best chance for avoiding death or injury in my vehicle and the best chance of survival for anyone in my path, but also gives any of my potential victims in an accident a clear target for lawsuits and/or criminal charges.

Self-driving vehicles "react" based on pre-programming. Given a stopped vehicle in their path coupled with a semi on your ass and a baby stroller to your left and a dog to your right they will respond in a pre-determined way, which is just insane. Their "vision" is far inferior to the average human, and they have no ability to make decisions. After a self-driving car kills your children, GOOD FUCKING LUCK SENDING ANYONE TO JAIL OR SUING THE DRIVER (because there isn't one).

But the far greater danger in giving up personal control and responsibility of your car is akin to any other freedom /responsibility you willingly cede to the government. Self-driving vehicles will always be hackable and controllable by any government, terrorist organization, or snowflake living in his Mother's basement. An unhappy protesting citizenry can be easily be shut down simply by deactivating their vehicles.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Same with my 1993 Miata or my old Alfa Romeos - but the reality is that self-driving cars make a lot of sense in many instances. Maris's analogy of self-driving cars to a self-eating steak makes no sense. The value of the steak is in the nutrition it provides. The value of a car is in it's ability to get the user from point-a to point-b at the time he wants without having to wait for shared rides. A self-driving car can do it - the "self-driving" part is not about the car wondering about as it pleases - it is about automating another part of the "chore" of driving. It is basically doing to steering the same thing that an automatic box did for transmission and power-windows did to the manual cranking windows.

The value of a steak is the nutrition? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[MARIS61]

I am sorry that the subtlety escaped you.

Next time, include it in your post.

If you want to upset me with something - at least choose something upsetting.

Wasn't an attack, just an educated deduction gleaned from several years as an automobile salesman. Having sold over 2 dozen Miata's, mostly to women and none to anyone taller than about 5'8", and at 6'1" being too tall to safely drive a Miata due to the extreme lack of legroom and kneeroom...

 

[MARIS61]

A representative with the City of Las Vegas issued the following statement:

"The autonomous shuttle was testing today when it was grazed by a delivery truck downtown. The shuttle did what it was supposed to do, in that it’s sensors registered the truck and the shuttle stopped to avoid the accident. Unfortunately, the delivery truck did not stop and grazed the front fender of the shuttle. Had the truck had the same sensing equipment that the shuttle has the accident would have been avoided. Testing of the shuttle will continue during the 12-month pilot in the downtown Innovation District."
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The shuttle is still scheduled to roll downtown in Las Vegas for the next year.

http://news3lv.com/news/local/drive...on-first-day-of-service-in-downtown-las-vegas

More likely...

Had the truck had the same sensing equipment that the shuttle has the accident would have been far worse as the semi behind the truck would have slammed into the truck, killing the driver and pushing the truck into THE SIDE of the shuttle, killing several passengers.

 

[MARIS61]

Stuff to think about:

https://www.metro.us/news/the-big-stories/self-driving-car-ethics

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Next time, include it in your post.



Wasn't an attack, just an educated deduction gleaned from several years as an automobile salesman. Having sold over 2 dozen Miata's, mostly to women and none to anyone taller than about 5'8", and at 6'1" being too tall to safely drive a Miata due to the extreme lack of legroom and kneeroom...

I drove a newer automatic miata with the top down once. Drove down Boulder Highway looking over top of the windshield. I'm only 6'2" but have stubby legs for my height.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I wedged myself into a first generation miata once but couldn't let out the clutch because my knee hit the dash. I bet it would be a fun car to drive.

 

[MARIS61]

https://www.rt.com/usa/403235-tesla-autopilot-crash-death/

 

[MARIS61]

I wedged myself into a first generation miata once but couldn't let out the clutch because my knee hit the dash. I bet it would be a fun car to drive.

That's my problem. Fun to drive but I could never do it safely.

 

[andalusian]

I am 6'1'' with long legs and have owned my first generation Miata for over 20 years, for 5 of them it was my race car as well and it is still used as my daily driver - too much fun to replace it. It is an early car without leather - which has a bit more space than later cars (up to the 3rd generation which has more space). But, I have always liked small cars. I raced a Lotus 7 for 8 years. Compared to that - the Miata looks and feels big. In the 7 I put a Kirkey seat from a 1/4 mile oval dirt race car - and it was the best diet I ever had. I could just fit in that thing with a t-shirt only (which made racing in the winter miserable). I think it is telling that I gained 10 lbs after I sold that car when I wanted a car with a hardtop to race.

The Miata is just right for me. The Alfas, because they have 4 seats, usually have less space in the driver seat, but because it is an Italian car and they like to drive like NASCAR drivers with long-legs and close-by steering wheel - it still works. The 7 - I had to move the pedal-box away to fit in, that's one of the nice things about a 7 - they are relatively easy to tinker with.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

no, im pretty sure you are a short woman.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

no, im pretty sure you are a short woman.

It's a pretty good guess but there are always exceptions

 

[SlyPokerDog]

no, im pretty sure you are a short woman.

She looks like a dog.

 

[noknobs]

It's the fear of having your car hacked that freaks me out with this system

Now terrorists will be able to hack a car remotely and use it as a weapon. Several at once actually.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Now terrorists will be able to hack a car remotely and use it as a weapon. Several at once actually.

"No officer, I wasn't speeding. My car was hacked by Russians."

 

[noknobs]

"No officer, I wasn't speeding. My car was hacked by Russians."

"No officer, I wasn't speeding. My car was hacked by a 16 year old loner in Sacramento who's tech savvy and hates the world."

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

"No officer, I wasn't speeding. My car was hacked by a 16 year old loner in Sacramento who's tech savvy and hates the world."

I already hate cars with mirrors that aim at the curb when you engage reverse. I'm gonna be the old guy shaking my fist at these things.