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If a bear falls out of a tree in the woods, does the tree hear it?
 
Believing something for which there is no evidence is definition of religion. I support the First Amendment. Believe whatever you want, just don't try to make me live by it.

Denying things for which there is strong evidence isn't independent thinking. It's just dumb. Biden is president. Vaccines work. Sound exists independent of observers.
 
Orion Bailey said:
again. Proof sound waves exist. Not proof the bear hears a sound and no proof the tree makes a sound the bear hears.



do trees have ears?


This is funny.
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Your refusal to accept evidence which proves you wrong is typical.

Thanks for displaying the willful ignorance which allows humans to commit so many horrible acts. This is exactly why we have protests and homeless camps. It's why we had slavery and why women were treated as property rather than equals.

You've proven nothing other than how little respect people should give your posts.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well put.
The way I do it is to research the extraordinary claims and find out what experts and professionals in the field think.
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I don't research anything someone else asserts unless I feel compelled. I don't assert anything unless I've either researched it or it's common knowledge or I heard it on a credible news show.
 
Lanny said:
I don't research anything someone else asserts unless I feel compelled. I don't assert anything unless I've either researched it or it's common knowledge or I heard it on a credible news show.
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Exactly.
 
Lanny said:
I don't research anything someone else asserts unless I feel compelled. I don't assert anything unless I've either researched it or it's common knowledge or I heard it on a credible news show.
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Are there any left?

I otherwise agree, with one addition: if it came from Lanny, you know it's gospel!
 
Orion Bailey said:
the issues is you want quantifiable, graphical evidence for everything and that doesn't always exist. But doesn't mean something cant be because of that.
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If there isn't any evidence then how can one make an assertion about it?
 
Orion Bailey said:
typical Barfo bs post.

ill spell it out…


@Phatguysrule, if there are no humans that have ever entered a forest, when a tree falls, does it make an audible sound?
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Define audible. If you mean does it make sound waves then any engineer would say yes. And you could describe it by a Fourier equation.
 
Lanny said:
Define audible. If you mean does it make sound waves then any engineer would say yes. And you could describe it by a Fourier equation.
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They are missing my point and playing games.
It cant be proven that all bears have hearing and arent deaf. And so if a bear is in the woods without a human, how can we prove the bear heard the tree fall when we dont know that bear’s hearing capabilities?
I know ive moved the goal posts on this a little but But the point stands. Not everything is provable. But common sense can still provide an accurate answer.
 
crandc said:
Of course it can be proven other animals have hearing. They visibly react to sound. This is really stupid.
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but do you know all bears hear and none are deaf?

i agree. Really stupid. Now apply that same logic to all the other debates where people argue these semantics.


Im just playing devils advocate to what i see others do here.

Argue semantics when common sense tells one something else.


so i agree. When people argue semantics like this its stupid yet some people do it often.
 
Orion Bailey said:
but do you know all bears hear and none are deaf?

i agree. Really stupid. Now apply that same logic to all the other debates where people argue these semantics.


Im just playing devils advocate to what i see others do here.

Argue semantics when common sense tells one something else.


so i agree. When people argue semantics like this its stupid yet some people do it often.
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Nobody else in other conversations is moving the goal posts to avoid proven and provable facts the way you are. You're just making yourself look bad.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody else in other conversations is moving the goal posts to avoid proven and provable facts the way you are. You're just making yourself look bad.
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if you think comments like your last line gets you anywhere im here to tell you you are wrong. And it just helps to tuen out the rest of your blah blah blah….


Again. Im soooo concerned about how you think i look. Lol.

im going on suicide watch now because phats thinks i look bad.

lmfao….
 
Orion Bailey said:
They are missing my point and playing games.
It cant be proven that all bears have hearing and arent deaf. And so if a bear is in the woods without a human, how can we prove the bear heard the tree fall when we dont know that bear’s hearing capabilities?
I know ive moved the goal posts on this a little but But the point stands. Not everything is provable. But common sense can still provide an accurate answer.
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None of that was part of the original question. Unfortunately this is fairly normal tactic you use. You're trying to create rare or impossible scenarios to support your claim. A deaf Bear obviously doesn't preclude the creation of soundwaves in a forest. Proven physics obviously dictates that the soundwave exists regardless of the existence of eardrums.

This is why you frequently support policies and actions which are proven to be inefficient, counterproductive, and downright harmful. You're just making it more obvious than normal right now.
 
Orion Bailey said:
if you think comments like your last line gets you anywhere im here to tell you you are wrong. And it just helps to tuen out the rest of your blah blah blah….


Again. Im soooo concerned about how you think i look. Lol.

im going on suicide watch now because phats thinks i look bad.

lmfao….
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My comment isn't intended to hurt you. It's an observation to help you understand how your actions are perceived by others.
 
Some people are deaf. That doesn't mean sounds don't exist, just they can't hear. I have no idea if there are deaf bears. I would guess they would not survive in the wild. And what has this to do with Covid?
 
Phatguysrule said:
My comment isn't intended to hurt you. It's an observation to help you understand how your actions are perceived by others.
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my comment wasn't intended to hurt you. Its an observation to help you understand how your communication tactics are received.
 
Orion Bailey said:
my comment wasn't intended to hurt you. Its an observation to help you understand how your communication tactics are received.
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Lol, well, I only have so much patience. Making fun of the willfully ignorant is the only way I can think to combat the spread at this point.

Some action has to be taken. Silence and good manners will just encourage people to elect another willfully ignorant president like Trump... Then you get horrid responses to (and outright denial of) serious problems (like Covid) and more attempted insurrections.

Not sure if what I'm doing is right, but I'm certainly not going to sit back and let it happen again without calling out the ignorance whenever I see it.

You're often a lost cause, the next best thing I can do is show others who might be reading how stupid it would be to align with your points of view. If it makes one person read a bit more it's a success.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But isn't that the going style?
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