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kjironman1 said:
This is the 4th year. The conversation is and has been about 2028. He also mentioned a couple more years following that.
Sorry but that is a decade.
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What are you referring to? Did I miss something? Nobody is advocating losing until 2028 or 2030.

But keeping Grant and Simons is a great way to do that.
 
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wizenheimer said:
13th

but again, what I said is that the key wasn't winning 35-40 games and squeaking into the play-in vs 21-28 games and a shot at a high pick; the key is having youngish players that generate enthusiasm and hope, like Roy and Aldridge; or Dame and Aldridge

if Sharpe had had a ROY season followed by improvement last season, instead of being out by mid January; if Scoot hadn't looked like he was 2 years away from being 2 years away, attendance would have been better.

a lot of people aren't interested in watching Simons and Grant do their boring iso all night, or Ayton shooting spin-around jumpers....all while posting a 35-40% winning rate (at best). The Blazers were boring last season
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I’m actually amazed they did as well as they did. I would venture a guess if they continue to try to lose it will get worse before better.
 
Anybody else very skeptical of these attendance figures?

I know the Blazers decades ago were basically giving away tickets to keep a "sellout" streak alive. Not sure if some of these "attendance" figures are counting season ticket holders who are flipping the majority of their tickets and have many dates of unused tickets. Are those all tracked as 100% attended? What about companies with unused tickets? What about all the Blazer vision subscribers who will get 2 tickets?

When the Blazers have had some very bad teams the arena has looked extremely empty. That's going to eventually flow through to TV viewership and then media revenue to the Blazers as well.

Now Jody's unique person as a controlling "owner" who only gets a management fee but no actual direct profit from the organization is a very unusual dynamic. So she might not have the same motivation long term to maximize every dollar of revenue as a typical owner does. Maybe that will be a very good thing or a very bad thing.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Anybody else very skeptical of these attendance figures?

I know the Blazers decades ago were basically giving away tickets to keep a "sellout" streak alive. Not sure if some of these "attendance" figures are counting season ticket holders who are flipping the majority of their tickets and have many dates of unused tickets. Are those all tracked as 100% attended? What about companies with unused tickets? What about all the Blazer vision subscribers who will get 2 tickets?
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Every team does it. The attendance announced and reported isn't actually the # of people who attended the game.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Every team does it. The attendance announced and reported isn't actually the # of people who attended the game.
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I believe its typically off of tickets sold.
Corporations can buy out a whole section, not attend the game snd they would consider the section sold out.

They don't actually care how many people attend, they only care about how many tix are sold.
I say this for all major sports franchises. Not just the Blazers.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The vets we currently have don't play winning basketball... We're not going to learn winning ways from them.
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I wasn't referring to the vets or team we have now, my comment was pertaining to a period of time where winning basketball created and retained fandom. Think any franchise in this era that's good with losing for 5-8 years straight to build assets is rolling the dice.
The NBA has been successful because they expanded playoffs and made playoff basketball fun for fans. Now they even have an in season playoff. The reasoning is fandom and tv it generates revenue.
 
Hoopguru said:
I wasn't referring to the vets or team we have now, my comment was pertaining to a period of time where winning basketball created and retained fandom. Think any franchise in this era that's good with losing for 5-8 years straight to build assets is rolling the dice.
The NBA has been successful because they expanded playoffs and made playoff basketball fun for fans. Now they even have an in season playoff. The reasoning is fandom and tv it generates revenue.
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It takes 5 to 8 years to rebuild. Unless you get lucky and draft a superstar. Or if you have a superstar owner or manager. Or if you're a destination city.

We don't have any of that. The only way for us to control our destiny is to lose for 5 or 6 years. And hope that it doesn't take 8 (it shouldn't, unless we're incredibly unlucky or have incredibly bad draft strategy).

But building around players like Simons and Grant is a great way to get ourselves back in the situation where the fans are apathetic and Paul Allen was looking to sell the team to another city. I think that's the most likely scenario for Portland to lose this franchise.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It takes 5 to 8 years to rebuild. Unless you get lucky and draft a superstar. Or if you have a superstar owner or manager. Or if you're a destination city.

We don't have any of that. The only way for us to control our destiny is to lose for 5 or 6 years. And hope that it doesn't take 8 (it shouldn't, unless we're incredibly unlucky or have incredibly bad draft strategy).

But building around players like Simons and Grant is a great way to get ourselves back in the situation where the fans are apathetic and Paul Allen was looking to sell the team to another city. I think that's the most likely scenario for Portland to lose this franchise.
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Im not sure you can build around any of the players on this team just yet. I mean teams like Minnie, Sac, Clips for years thought they had a f-8 year plan that would work but what happens is they end up starting all over again after 3-5 years.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The vets we currently have don't play winning basketball... We're not going to learn winning ways from them.
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Technically speaking we don't have anyone one the team that plays winning basketball. After 4 years of tanking.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im not sure you can build around any of the players on this team just yet. I mean teams like Minnie, Sac, Clips for years thought they had a f-8 year plan that would work but what happens is they end up starting all over again after 3-5 years.
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They all tried to do what would be the equivalent of keeping Ant and Grant (And maybe even Ayton). Giving up multiple picks for Deni was probably jumping the gun as well... I like his game... I just think it might be the wrong time to have him here.

Trying to get good too quickly is how you fail, unfortunately. However, drafting a superstar would definitely speed things up.
 
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THE HCP said:
I can honestly say I don't believe any of the current roster or coaching staff served their country.
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That would be pretty consistent with professional athletes. Kind of tough to do a 4 year stint and stay in the kind of physical/mental shape to play at that level. Obviously it's been done in the past but I would venture a guess that is less and less likely now.
 
THE HCP said:
I can honestly say I don't believe any of the current roster or coaching staff served their country.
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Nor do any of them have the training to provide medical services for animals. So disappointing.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Bronny vs. the Bucks: 0 points on 0-4 FG, 0-2 3PT, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers, 0 personal fouls on a +\- of -12 in 6 minutes.
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The dude went 55th in one of the weakest drafts we've seen in a long time and he went to the team his dad (who is at least one of the handful of greatest to ever play the game) is currently on. We sold an earlier pick for cash considerations. So why don't we just stop harping on someone not being good enough to be in the NBA just like his draft position, coupled with his family connections would imply.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Bronny vs. the Bucks: 0 points on 0-4 FG, 0-2 3PT, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers, 0 personal fouls on a +\- of -12 in 6 minutes.
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The kid played 6 minutes, he is a 55th pick and he had cardiac arrest a bit more than a year ago. I think we can give that kid time - he either pans out or he is a g-league level player, but for his first year, who cares? honestly?

Personally, I would be happy if he makes it as a rotation player in the NBA when all is said and done, given his medical history, that would be a lovely story.
 
BIG Q said:
Has Deni done his stint with the IDF yet?
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Good question. Looked it up.
Yes. He had a deferment “After winning back-to-back Under-20 European Championships with the Israel National Team, many of Avdija’s teammates were drafted into the IDF, but his service was delayed due to his commitment with Maccabi Tel Aviv and playing in the Euroleague.” COVID interrupted his season. He enlisted and served it under an “exceptional athlete” status in North America.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/i...vdija-drafted-into-idf-623217#google_vignette
 
What’s the over/under on how many games it takes before LeBron gets the word out on his unhappiness with management? I’m at 20.5.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Good question. Looked it up.
Yes. He had a deferment “After winning back-to-back Under-20 European Championships with the Israel National Team, many of Avdija’s teammates were drafted into the IDF, but his service was delayed due to his commitment with Maccabi Tel Aviv and playing in the Euroleague.” COVID interrupted his season. He enlisted and served it under an “exceptional athlete” status in North America.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/i...vdija-drafted-into-idf-623217#google_vignette
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So he may be the only Veteran in the league, not just the Blazers. Good stuff.
 
Interesting reply to the Paul Silas clip on rookie LeBron

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Dude saying he was early on the Lebron train by buying his rookie jersey?! lol. He was on the cover of S.I. as a Junior in HS. If he was in to him his rookie year, he was the last one aboard the damn train.

(This has nothing to do with your point at all, just laughing at him thinking he was early on)
 
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