September 11th, 2001

[AdropOFvenom]

God Bless America.

 

[Rex Grossman 8]

Yea, it's sad.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

I'm ready for America to move on and stop dwelling over 9-11....

 

[FSUViking]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm ready for America to move on and stop dwelling over 9-11....</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Wow. :glare: Yeah...let's just "get over" the biggest terrorist attack, not only in this country's history, but in the entire world. Forget it ever happened. Just move on.What little respect I had for you to begin with, is now completely gone. That might be the most absurd thing I have ever heard in my life. While we're at it, let's just pretend that Pearl Harbor and the Holocost never happened too.Any other major historical event the world should just "get over?"</span></span></span>

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm ready for America to move on and stop dwelling over 9-11....</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Wow. :glare: Yeah...let's just "get over" the biggest terrorist attack, not only in this country's history, but in the entire world. Forget it ever happened. Just move on.What little respect I had for you to begin with, is now completely gone. That might be the most absurd thing I have ever heard in my life. While we're at it, let's just pretend that Pearl Harbor and the Holocost never happened too.Any other major historical event the world should just "get over?"</span></span></span></div>Do we sit in anguish yearly over either of those.We didn't still 5 years after Pearl Harbor either.

 

[FSUViking]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm ready for America to move on and stop dwelling over 9-11....</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Wow. :glare: Yeah...let's just "get over" the biggest terrorist attack, not only in this country's history, but in the entire world. Forget it ever happened. Just move on.What little respect I had for you to begin with, is now completely gone. That might be the most absurd thing I have ever heard in my life. While we're at it, let's just pretend that Pearl Harbor and the Holocost never happened too.Any other major historical event the world should just "get over?"</span></span></span></div>Do we sit in anguish yearly over either of those.We didn't still 5 years after Pearl Harbor either.</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Really? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you weren't alive in 1946, so how would you know how the country remembered December 7th, 1941 5 years later?And, if it wasn't "anguished" over...it was because WWII had ended about 8 months earlier, so the scope of the events were still larger than the individual act.No, we don't "anguish" over something that happened 67 years ago, but we DO still remember them and reflect upon them. To say we should just "get over" 9/11 5 years later is nothing short of absurd.</span></span></span>

 

[FSUViking]

<span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">I will concede to you that the extent of media coverage over the past 5 years has been a bit too much. But to say America as a country needs to get over it, is still unacceptable.</span></span></span>

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">I will concede to you that the extent of media coverage over the past 5 years has been a bit too much. But to say America as a country needs to get over it, is still unacceptable.</span></span></span></div>It's like.... it's like if you have a child die. It hurts. And it will always hurt. But you don't obsess over it 5 years later. You still remember, but you stop dwelling. You move on with your life. But just because you move on doesn't mean you forget.

 

[AdropOFvenom]

Jon_Vilma, I understand what your trying to say, but the majority of people have moved on with their lives and accepted it. Most people dont 'dwell' on what happened that day anymore....However. the Media is what continues to harp on what had happened in order to make a story, and they use it as a tool to spread their personal political agenda, whatever that may be. I think that the Media is what needs to stop 'dwelling' on it, and by that I mean that it really isnt necessary to have almost 24-7 coverage of 9/11 discussion 5 years after the day it happened. There is covering a story, and then there is going overboard and that is what I think the media is doing right now.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 11 2006, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.</div>The problem with that idea is your letting Political Beliefs get in the way of humanity. Fact of the matter is that 5 years ago today we were attacked by Terrorists that led to 3,000-plus Americans Getting Killed. Democrat or Republican should be irrelevant and instead we should be focusing on Remembering those who died and Remembering the NYPD and FDNY members who rushed into the World Trade Center and ended up Giving their lives to help save somebody else.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you weren't alive in 1946, so how would you know how the country remembered December 7th, 1941 5 years later?</div>Because they were busy being happy we won World War 2.

 

[FSUViking]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">I will concede to you that the extent of media coverage over the past 5 years has been a bit too much. But to say America as a country needs to get over it, is still unacceptable.</span></span></span></div>It's like.... it's like if you have a child die. It hurts. And it will always hurt. But you don't obsess over it 5 years later. You still remember, but you stop dwelling. You move on with your life. But just because you move on doesn't mean you forget.</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Well................that makes better sense than what you originally said. Or, at least the manner in which you said it.</span></span></span>

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">I will concede to you that the extent of media coverage over the past 5 years has been a bit too much. But to say America as a country needs to get over it, is still unacceptable.</span></span></span></div>It's like.... it's like if you have a child die. It hurts. And it will always hurt. But you don't obsess over it 5 years later. You still remember, but you stop dwelling. You move on with your life. But just because you move on doesn't mean you forget.</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Well................that makes better sense than what you originally said. Or, at least the manner in which you said it.</span></span></span> </div>Just because you misinterpreted me...

 

[Agent Zero]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 11 2006, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>God Bless America.

</div> :yes: GO SKINS! :hail:

 

[Kurupt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">I will concede to you that the extent of media coverage over the past 5 years has been a bit too much. But to say America as a country needs to get over it, is still unacceptable.</span></span></span></div>It's like.... it's like if you have a child die. It hurts. And it will always hurt. But you don't obsess over it 5 years later. You still remember, but you stop dwelling. You move on with your life. But just because you move on doesn't mean you forget.</div>i know.. and thats what were doing... were are remembering..

 

[NFLCCombs]

Wel..I posted this ON HT...I dunno..I am letting it go. I'm not gonna spend a day remembering a tragedy for the rest of my life. It's been 5 years. Unless you know somebody that was killed, we should probably move on no? Not judging you if you haven't. I kind of relate it to a celebrity being killed or something. Sure it's sad at the moment. It's sad when you see their family and their hurt. But why dwell on it constantly when it didn't directly effect you. We have a ton of our own problems which do directly effect us...i'm gonna get happy/sad about those instead.Not taking anything away from the event..and what happened..but 5 years...it's kind of like we re-live this every year with the footage..and it brings it back..why do that to yourself?

 

[chang]

The day doesn't seem as momentous because we're still reminded about the ramifications of 9/11 everyday in our lives some way or another.

 

[Capt. Comeback]

I honestly could say it doesn't bother me anymore.

 

[DevinHester23]

Pay tribute to those who were killed, and I'm w/ PPE on getting on the government

 

[Street]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 11 2006, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 11 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm ready for America to move on and stop dwelling over 9-11....</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">Wow. :glare: Yeah...let's just "get over" the biggest terrorist attack, not only in this country's history, but in the entire world. Forget it ever happened. Just move on.What little respect I had for you to begin with, is now completely gone. That might be the most absurd thing I have ever heard in my life. While we're at it, let's just pretend that Pearl Harbor and the Holocost never happened too.Any other major historical event the world should just "get over?"</span></span></span></div>Do we sit in anguish yearly over either of those.We didn't still 5 years after Pearl Harbor either.</div>Yes, but the Pearl Harbor situation was much different. It was a total surprise attack first of all. Bush had a report sitting on his desk that said IF WE ARE ATTACKED, IT WILL BE FROM OUR OWN PLANES and some blueprints too. Also, if you live in the Metropolitan area, which I assume you do because you are a Jet fan, you will know that it is more dramatic than for a person who lives in Hawaii or California, no offense to you guys if anyone you know was hurt mentally or physically by the attack.For those who were personally effected by the attack or close to being effected, it is like it just happened yesterday. And for those that it feels like it was 25 years ago, this is why we did this. It was the best of times when it was the worst of times. We came together like a nation like we never did before. Even more than Pearl Harbor. It was amazing how the firemen, policemen, volenteers and so on helped out and made the difference."Never Forget" -- This is a famous saying that Jews all over the World will always say about the Holocaust even though the majority of them today did not experience it nor were alive at the time. But, we still say it because we must remember, we must never forget. We must never forget of what happened. It is not only the good times that must be remembered, but the bad times too. Jews and even Non-Jews helped others that were exposed to it. We worked together through the hard times. This is the saying that Americans are using now and SHOULD use. I hate the Yankees, but it was so amazing watching their games because for everyone that was not a Diamondback fan, they were rooting for the Yankees (At Least Most) because of the children who lost their parent/s in the attack. It would be something for them to finally cheer about. Now, even though they didn't win the WS that year, it still symbolizes how people can come together. What a nation this is. How people from all races who cursed off eachother the day before, just forgot all of that. To make a conclusion on this (I feel like IM writing an essay, lol), You have to realize that it is not the point that it was the biggest attack in the history of our nation or our era, which you should, but also how we can came together as a nation and we must Never Forget how we united together and felt for eachother.

 

[chang]

The US actually knew about the possibility Pearl Harbor. Except it was either 1 week before or after they believed it would happen so they weren't prepared to respond. Intelligence did come that day that there would be an attack on Pearl Harbor but it arrived about 2 hours too late.I personally think the government had a role in it. The evidence just doesn't fit the story. If this were a criminal trial, the defense (government had a role) would win easily because all the evidence provided by the prosecution (all terrorists) is basically conjecture and impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, lots of evidence probably would support the defense.However, if it was a terrorist attack, it was basically the same situation as Pearl Harbor. <u>We could sense something happening but you don't know which day it is and you don't want to send your country into complete chaos but then you run the risk of an attack.</u>As much as I don't like his decisions, you can't solely place the blame on Bush for making a mistake. It happened to FDR, considered one of the greatest presidents in American history.

 

[NFLCCombs]

Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 11 2006, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jon_Vilma, I understand what your trying to say, but the majority of people have moved on with their lives and accepted it. Most people dont 'dwell' on what happened that day anymore....However. the Media is what continues to harp on what had happened in order to make a story, and they use it as a tool to spread their personal political agenda, whatever that may be. I think that the Media is what needs to stop 'dwelling' on it, and by that I mean that it really isnt necessary to have almost 24-7 coverage of 9/11 discussion 5 years after the day it happened. There is covering a story, and then there is going overboard and that is what I think the media is doing right now.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 11 2006, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.</div>The problem with that idea is your letting Political Beliefs get in the way of humanity. Fact of the matter is that 5 years ago today we were attacked by Terrorists that led to 3,000-plus Americans Getting Killed. Democrat or Republican should be irrelevant and instead we should be focusing on Remembering those who died and Remembering the NYPD and FDNY members who rushed into the World Trade Center and ended up Giving their lives to help save somebody else.</div>It's not like I don't care. It's just that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me feel like i'm supporting something that I don't support. I still pray for all those who died but it's unfair what the bush administration has done to 9/11.

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.</div>Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Sep 11 2006, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.</div>I agree. To Bush: :bigfinger: :bigfinger: :bigfinger: :bigfinger:

 

[Street]

I hate Bush too. I meant the people of the nation. At least in the New York area.

 

[TeNt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 11 2006, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.</div>it should... you are saying that because a group of people who you do not usually agree with talk about, and are more affected by an attack on our country you don't care about it anymore? Liberals and Conservative have nothing to do with 9/11 its radical muslim terrorists versus the united states of america... and freedom... and cristianity... and judasim... and rights. and did you mean the media is mostley conservative? what the hell? bs<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 12 2006, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.</div>Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".</div>what the hell kind of logic is that? how has he made it his thing? did you want him to say "ohh well, shit happens" the reason there is such a split is because bush has no skill whatsoever in explaining himself... which is why noone understands why we are in iraq or how much of a threat terrorists are.The most important thing is to not forget 911... it seems to be the only thing to slighty knock any sense into the people who want to "talk and reason" with the terrorists and the countries who harbour themohh and the many people on the internet i have found that belive the US goverment executed 911... they need to shut the hell up, ingnorant bastards looking for a cause.

 

[chang]

[quote name='TeNt' post='69179' date='Sep 14 2006, 11:37 AM'][quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='68650' date='Sep 11 2006, 01:37 PM']I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.[/quote]it should... you are saying that because a group of people who you do not usually agree with talk about, and are more affected by an attack on our country you don't care about it anymore? Liberals and Conservative have nothing to do with 9/11 its radical muslim terrorists versus the united states of america... and freedom... and cristianity... and judasim... and rights. and did you mean the media is mostley conservative? what the hell? bs[quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='68786' date='Sep 12 2006, 08:33 AM'][quote name='Combs' post='68776' date='Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM']Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.[/quote]Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".[/quote]what the hell kind of logic is that? how has he made it his thing? did you want him to say "ohh well, shit happens" the reason there is such a split is because bush has no skill whatsoever in explaining himself... which is why noone understands why we are in iraq or how much of a threat terrorists are.The most important thing is to not forget 911... it seems to be the only thing to slighty knock any sense into the people who want to "talk and reason" with the terrorists and the countries who harbour themohh and the many people on the internet i have found that belive the US goverment executed 911... they need to shut the hell up, ingnorant bastards looking for a cause.[/quote]Bush has made 9/11 the justification for the Iraq war nad basically he's building his "legacy" as the President of the United States based on 9/11.Iraq is unnecessary. I respect Bush for being a leader and assertive but there's a point where you just look stubborn and arrogant and Bush has passed that line.

 

[TeNt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 14 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bush has made 9/11 the justification for the Iraq war nad basically he's building his "legacy" as the President of the United States based on 9/11.Iraq is unnecessary. I respect Bush for being a leader and assertive but there's a point where you just look stubborn and arrogant and Bush has passed that line.</div>no he has not, in fact he just gave a speech and answered "why are we in iraq if they had nothing to do with 9/11"saddam was a threat, alqueda was a threat, it was a breeding ground for the radical muslims who want us all dead... and would rape your kids at the drop of a hat... a democratic ally in the middle east is crucial to our saftey... and saddams regime was a threat to it... bush hasnt made 9/11 a platform, the media and people have... its just that when describing who we are fighting, explaining that it was them, or people with the same beliefs that knocked down the towers is the best example of the threat.

 

[DevinHester23]

We're in Iraq for the oil!!! The U.S. wouldn't give a hoot if the Middle East had no oil. If Iraq has nukes, then why aren't we in North Korea??