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Denny Crane

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So when do the airplanes start falling from the sky? Or is it the whole sky that's supposed to fall?

The worst thing for the president and left leaning economists is that the voters won't notice anything has been cut.
 
Isn't this a good thing? They need to cut spending I don't care how they do it.
 
Yeah, I think it's a good thing.
 
Hope and Austerity, baby!
 
Very few of the country will notice. On a related note, no one's Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment checks, etc. were affected.

Once again, the overrun on medicare and medicaid spending alone is greater than the combined overall budgets for the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security.

Or to put it a different way, if the DoD overran by the same amount that Medicare/Medicaid has, the DoD would have a 1.5T in outlays this year.
 
"The president has made one of his bottom lines that significant revenues have to be on the table," said Chuck Loveless, the director of legislation for AFSCME, a major public services employees union. "If he sticks to his guns on that, I'm not worried, but chained CPI is on his short list. We oppose that, and it is a significant cut to Social Security."
"These cuts are clearly on the Republican agenda," he added, pointing to a proposal from House Republicans to raise the Medicare eligibility age, which Obama rejected.

Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman said that his Republican colleagues in Congress have long been "gunning for the entitlements."
"So I worry about it," Waxman said. "But I also worry about the economy, because it seems to me, they don't worry about dragging down the economy while they're trying to gain leverage to hurt those entitlements."
The AFL-CIO, the country's largest federation of unions, released a statement this week urging Congress to repeal, not replace, the sequester, arguing that cuts to social security, Medicaid, and Medicare benefits were a form of "Republican ransom demands."
"There's no need to replace the sequester in full or in part. We don't need it," said Kelly Ross, deputy policy director of AFL-CIO. "Republicans are saying we need to address the source of the problem as leverage to get entitlement cuts."
"The worry is that Republicans have been very clear what they want from this — and that's entitlement reform," said Ross. "That's what they hope to get out of it, while they're saying no to taxes. Both sides are crying uncle."

Um...as Denny's pointed out, during no year in US history has there been more revenue. And yet, the AFL-CIO and Democratic leaders are vilifying R's for wanting "entitlement reform"? Someone please help me understand this...because I have to be missing something. And I have yet to see the Congressman (D or R) who has said "well, we have to raise taxes--so everyone's taxes will go up to 20% of their income." They seem to think "billionaire taxes" will make up the trillion-ish overrun in entitlement spending.
 
Um...as Denny's pointed out, during no year in US history has there been more revenue. And yet, the AFL-CIO and Democratic leaders are vilifying R's for wanting "entitlement reform"? Someone please help me understand this...because I have to be missing something. And I have yet to see the Congressman (D or R) who has said "well, we have to raise taxes--so everyone's taxes will go up to 20% of their income." They seem to think "billionaire taxes" will make up the trillion-ish overrun in entitlement spending.

There's a lot of math deniers out there.
 
Isn't this a good thing? They need to cut spending I don't care how they do it.

I get your overall point, but the "I don't care how they do it" is a wee bit irresponsible. There's a lot of excess spending, and they absolutely do need to cut back. But there are some things being cut that I've seen/heard, and it's terrible.

For one..... I'm sorry...... our education system is shitty and getting worse by the day. I don't have an opinion on the pay of teachers (I do, but I don't care to share), but I don't believe we can continue cutting education.
 
I'm glad I'm not getting furloughed for 20 days!
 
I'm glad I work in the alcohol industry. Sales are up!

And even if they were down........... at least I'd have something to ease the pain!
 
I get your overall point, but the "I don't care how they do it" is a wee bit irresponsible. There's a lot of excess spending, and they absolutely do need to cut back. But there are some things being cut that I've seen/heard, and it's terrible.

For one..... I'm sorry...... our education system is shitty and getting worse by the day. I don't have an opinion on the pay of teachers (I do, but I don't care to share), but I don't believe we can continue cutting education.

We have to make cuts somewhere. That is basically my point. I realize that cutting some things like education may not be desirable, but you have to start somewhere. Personally I think education spending is probably adequate. The problem is where the spending goes. There is too much in administration.
 
We have to make cuts somewhere. That is basically my point. I realize that cutting some things like education may not be desirable, but you have to start somewhere. Personally I think education spending is probably adequate. The problem is where the spending goes. There is too much in administration.

Like I said, I got your overall point, and I agree with it. But they need to pick the cuts more wisely.

As for too much admin....... there's too much admin/bureacracy/government in just about everything in this country. So much waste.
 
They'll cut TSA agents, then send some lap-dog reporters to the airports to interview pissed off travelers. They'll find plenty of LIVs who will tearfully blame the evil, racist, homophobic Republican Party.
 
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HONDREDS OF MILLIONS OF JOBS WILL BE LOST.

4 HOUR LINES AT TSA (ALTHOUGH THEY ARE STILL MAINTAINING THEIR HIGH EFFICIENCY)
 
Why focus on an actual crisis when we can manufacture one?

I'm going to dig a hole and live in it. Who's with me?
 
As a commentator wrote, the divide is no longer left/right, it's those that can do math and those that can't.
 
As a commentator wrote, the divide is no longer left/right, it's those that can do math and those that can't.

There's a lot of lefty math deniers out there.
 
Not exactly. Our manufactured crises actually come into effect.

well, wait until rates rise/QE is stopped. market is still being propped up and its going to crash harder than before. investors are only in it for the short term knowing the government is essentially backing their investments. once that party is done the housing crash will look like sesame street (whatever the fuck that means)

and nothing from this crisis will pan out. it was all smoke and mirrors. the manufactured recovery on the other hand will end up fucking us all in the ass.
 
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There's a lot of lefty math deniers out there.

This is what drives me nuts. I WANT a social safety net. I don't want people to starve, be homeless, not to have the basic necessities, not to receive a quality education or have access to the best healthcare in the world. However, because I don't advocate the government play the primary role with all those issues, I'm considered cruel and selfish. I would argue I care more. I want people free to live their lives as they choose.

Paul Ryan said it best in regards to Medicare, and it applies to almost every social program the government runs: The best way to end (insert social program) as we know it is (insert social program) as we know it.
 
well, wait until rates rise/QE is stopped. market is still being propped up and its going to crash harder than before. investors are only in it for the short term knowing the government is essentially backing their investments. once that party is done the housing crash will look like sesame street (whatever the fuck that means)

and nothing from this crisis will pan out. it was all smoke and mirrors. the manufactured recovery on the other hand will end up fucking us all in the ass.

As long as President Obama can blame it on the Republicans, he doesn't give a shit.
 
Very few of the country will notice. On a related note, no one's Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment checks, etc. were affected.

Once again, the overrun on medicare and medicaid spending alone is greater than the combined overall budgets for the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security.

Or to put it a different way, if the DoD overran by the same amount that Medicare/Medicaid has, the DoD would have a 1.5T in outlays this year.

Yup. And until entitlements are dealt with in a substantive way, we're really never going to conquer our looming debt crisis.
 

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