Seriously Houston fans...

[BlazerCaravan]

Houston fans have legitimately convinced themselves that they lost because of the refs. It's a fucking riot.

Foster and Salvatore both were trying to fix the game, but were working different sides. I'm glad the corrupt official working our side of the line won.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Foster and Salvatore both were trying to fix the game, but were working different sides. I'm glad the corrupt official working our side of the line won.

How awesomely screwed up would it be if that were actually the case. Two officials working the same game, with money on different outcomes, each doing their best to exert their influence in the direction that suits them.

It's like referee survivor. Outcheat, outlast, outscrew.

 

[TripTango]

I'm disappointed in the mods at ClutchFans. They now are choosing to "review" any post I make before it is allowed to post. I must have made 25-30 posts since this afternoon and nothing has posted. In reality, they've banned me, but are too chickenshit to say so. And for what? Because my comments about Beverley risking long term damage to his knee and that the refs also make crap calls against us "upset" the delicate sensibilities of the Rockets fan base.

So much for interforum dialogue. I had so many opportunities to troll and was on my very best behavior. Yet, they couldn't even take the least bit of disagreement that the loss was completely the refs' fault.

Sad. I read the full exchange, and thought you were going out of your way to be respectful.

Ah well -- if their mods prefer to insulate themselves into a little homer bubble, I suppose that's their prerogative. Still sad, especially since there were a few posters over there who actually did seem interested in productive discussion.

 

[cmeese47]

This thread is unbearable to read, do you know why the Houston fans feel like they were cheated and no its not cause they are stupid whining bitches, it is because the NBA admitted that the refs screwed up a major call with 10 seconds to go in the game. When the NBA comes out and says you got screwed, well you have the right to complain.

Point is there were bad calls on both sides all game but only one team had the NBA come out and say they screwed up. Houston like it or not was the home team and they deserved to get that call at the end of the game, the same way Portland would have deserved the call had they been at home.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Houston like it or not was the home team and they deserved to get that call at the end of the game, the same way Portland would have deserved the call had they been at home.

The idea that the location of the game should have an impact on the manner of officiating is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Yes, we all understand that home teams often do receive favorable calls, but nobody (except you, apparently) would contend that the home team deserves that extra benefit.

 

[julius]

This thread is unbearable to read, do you know why the Houston fans feel like they were cheated and no its not cause they are stupid whining bitches, it is because the NBA admitted that the refs screwed up a major call with 10 seconds to go in the game. When the NBA comes out and says you got screwed, well you have the right to complain.

well, if that was the 100% reason they lost.

Point is there were bad calls on both sides all game but only one team had the NBA come out and say they screwed up. Houston like it or not was the home team and they deserved to get that call at the end of the game, the same way Portland would have deserved the call had they been at home.

Teams don't "deserve" the call because they're the home team.

fouls deserve to be called because they're fouls. Like when Howard threw Joel down, or elbowed Lopez in the gut.

There are times when Blazer players deserve to be called for fouls too.

 

[TripTango]

This thread is unbearable to read, do you know why the Houston fans feel like they were cheated and no its not cause they are stupid whining bitches, it is because the NBA admitted that the refs screwed up a major call with 10 seconds to go in the game. When the NBA comes out and says you got screwed, well you have the right to complain.

Point is there were bad calls on both sides all game but only one team had the NBA come out and say they screwed up. Houston like it or not was the home team and they deserved to get that call at the end of the game, the same way Portland would have deserved the call had they been at home.

In the context of a typical NBA game, I'd completely agree with you. In the context of this particular game, one of the most poorly called games I can remember seeing, ever, it's more than a little disingenuous for the NBA to single out and recognize one single bad call out of the gaddam cornucopia of officiating failures that went on over 53 minutes.

I don't blame Houston fans for being frustrated with the officiating -- any fan of the game, partial or not, was likely disgusted by the refs that game. But c'mon. A petition to replay the last 10 seconds? Might as well go back the start of overtime. Or the 4th quarter. Or hell, let's just replay the whole damn thing. As much as I'd hate to lose the W, at least that might actually restore some credibility to the league's officiating. Calling the foul on Dwight the single most significant officiating failure is just statistically false, and does nothing to help the public perception of NBA fairness.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

How awesomely screwed up would it be if that were actually the case. Two officials working the same game, with money on different outcomes, each doing their best to exert their influence in the direction that suits them.

It's like referee survivor. Outcheat, outlast, outscrew.

Just remember, it was Bennet Salvatore that gave Kevin McHale a high five in the 3rd quarter.

 

[cmeese47]

In the context of a typical NBA game, I'd completely agree with you. In the context of this particular game, one of the most poorly called games I can remember seeing, ever, it's more than a little disingenuous for the NBA to single out and recognize one single bad call out of the gaddam cornucopia of officiating failures that went on over 53 minutes.

I don't blame Houston fans for being frustrated with the officiating -- any fan of the game, partial or not, was likely disgusted by the refs that game. But c'mon. A petition to replay the last 10 seconds? Might as well go back the start of overtime. Or the 4th quarter. Or hell, let's just replay the whole damn thing. As much as I'd hate to lose the W, at least that might actually restore some credibility to the league's officiating. Calling the foul on Dwight the single most significant officiating failure is just statistically false, and does nothing to help the public perception of NBA fairness.

Well considering the context of when the foul occurred it was the most significant officiating failure of the game. Houston down 1 already after Lillard got a phantom foul call on Beverly and the And 1, and Howard fouls out there and Freeland gets to add a second free throw. Howard should have had the opportunity to tie the game or take the lead from the stripe, whether he makes 1, 2 or none that is how the game should have been called.

Other than that Houston had several other calls that should have gone their way, Matthews reach in foul on his 2:54 left steal from Beverly went against them, Matthews shoving Harden in the back as he caught the inbounds with 2.8 left was another no call that could have easily been a foul. Portland fans are crying about the Lopez call, which was the right call, Howard was in the paint and Lopez was moving the whole time that is a defensive foul. They are also calling about Freeland being pushed but if you want the replay he never got in front of Howard and appeared to be off balance and fall while arm fighting with Howard that certainly is not a foul on Howard. Lamarcus did the same thing although much more blantantly in the first quarter and it was not called. Basically, the game was poorly handled especially late.

 

[julius]

Well considering the context of when the foul occurred it was the most significant officiating failure of the game. Houston down 1 already after Lillard got a phantom foul call on Beverly and the And 1, and Howard fouls out there and Freeland gets to add a second free throw. Howard should have had the opportunity to tie the game or take the lead from the stripe, whether he makes 1, 2 or none that is how the game should have been called.

Other than that Houston had several other calls that should have gone their way, Matthews reach in foul on his 2:54 left steal from Beverly went against them, Matthews shoving Harden in the back as he caught the inbounds with 2.8 left was another no call that could have easily been a foul. Portland fans are crying about the Lopez call, which was the right call, Howard was in the paint and Lopez was moving the whole time that is a defensive foul. They are also calling about Freeland being pushed but if you want the replay he never got in front of Howard and appeared to be off balance and fall while arm fighting with Howard that certainly is not a foul on Howard. Lamarcus did the same thing although much more blantantly in the first quarter and it was not called. Basically, the game was poorly handled especially late.

So, why no mention of when Harden kicked his leg out on the 3 point shot?

Neither team gained more than the other.

 

[Rhal]

There were tons of bad calls on both sides but I think a few of the things that went on in the OT gave the edge to Houston. Sure a final call was missed on Howard and Beverly fouled on, not on a phantom call but a ticky tack call, but LA fouled out on a screen call that is NEVER called and the call vs Lopez was horrible then you had 3 times in the final minute the beard led with his shoulder knocking a blazer back and no foul, or Howard just throwing people to the ground and nothing is called. How about that Garcia travel/jumpball/throwing elbows for 7s and finally its called a foul on us.
You can point to many calls on either side but the Blazer got the win and the Rockets got the "sorry we fucked up" that every Blazer fan can remember from Scott Fisher.
I don't think the Rockets board necessarily has more delusional homers then any other board but I'm not going to discredit them over this since I was fairly certain while watching the OT that whatever team won the other fanbase was going to be running to hang the refs from the highest tree possible and then use there lifeless bodies as target practice.

 

[maxiep]

Well considering the context of when the foul occurred it was the most significant officiating failure of the game. Houston down 1 already after Lillard got a phantom foul call on Beverly and the And 1, and Howard fouls out there and Freeland gets to add a second free throw. Howard should have had the opportunity to tie the game or take the lead from the stripe, whether he makes 1, 2 or none that is how the game should have been called.

Other than that Houston had several other calls that should have gone their way, Matthews reach in foul on his 2:54 left steal from Beverly went against them, Matthews shoving Harden in the back as he caught the inbounds with 2.8 left was another no call that could have easily been a foul. Portland fans are crying about the Lopez call, which was the right call, Howard was in the paint and Lopez was moving the whole time that is a defensive foul. They are also calling about Freeland being pushed but if you want the replay he never got in front of Howard and appeared to be off balance and fall while arm fighting with Howard that certainly is not a foul on Howard. Lamarcus did the same thing although much more blantantly in the first quarter and it was not called. Basically, the game was poorly handled especially late.

No mention of Howard having no business being in the game in the first place? He threw down Freeland the play before and was allowed to shoot two free throws. It should have been Blazer ball tied at 119.

 

[Eastoff]

Dame is goin' to PACK BEVERLY'S SHIT AGAIN!

Uh wait what?

 

[maxiep]

I would have been fine with Howard in the game. His +/- was -5, and we won by two. If he would have stayed in, we would have won by more.

 

[Eastoff]

So uh is cmeese47 actually Mixum or something? What gives here? No real Blazer fan would be that blinded. He's either a Houston fan or a troll. There were clearly terrible fouls calls on both sides.

 

[BBert]

In the context of a typical NBA game, I'd completely agree with you. In the context of this particular game, one of the most poorly called games I can remember seeing, ever, it's more than a little disingenuous for the NBA to single out and recognize one single bad call out of the gaddam cornucopia of officiating failures that went on over 53 minutes.

I don't blame Houston fans for being frustrated with the officiating -- any fan of the game, partial or not, was likely disgusted by the refs that game. But c'mon. A petition to replay the last 10 seconds? Might as well go back the start of overtime. Or the 4th quarter. Or hell, let's just replay the whole damn thing. As much as I'd hate to lose the W, at least that might actually restore some credibility to the league's officiating. Calling the foul on Dwight the single most significant officiating failure is just statistically false, and does nothing to help the public perception of NBA fairness.

That's a damn fine post.

 

[Rhal]

So uh is cmeese47 actually Mixum or something? What gives here? No real Blazer fan would be that blinded. He's either a Houston fan or a troll. There were clearly terrible fouls calls on both sides.

He wishes he could be as good of a troll as Mixum. He came over with a few other posters from another forum when this one was made the official Blazer forum. His posts just seems to read like a pessimistic Blazer fan who doesn't like to give the Blazers credit but instead say we got lucky.

 

[cmeese47]

There were tons of bad calls on both sides but I think a few of the things that went on in the OT gave the edge to Houston. Sure a final call was missed on Howard and Beverly fouled on, not on a phantom call but a ticky tack call, but LA fouled out on a screen call that is NEVER called and the call vs Lopez was horrible then you had 3 times in the final minute the beard led with his shoulder knocking a blazer back and no foul, or Howard just throwing people to the ground and nothing is called. How about that Garcia travel/jumpball/throwing elbows for 7s and finally its called a foul on us.
You can point to many calls on either side but the Blazer got the win and the Rockets got the "sorry we fucked up" that every Blazer fan can remember from Scott Fisher.
I don't think the Rockets board necessarily has more delusional homers then any other board but I'm not going to discredit them over this since I was fairly certain while watching the OT that whatever team won the other fanbase was going to be running to hang the refs from the highest tree possible and then use there lifeless bodies as target practice.

LA set a moving pick in the back court even during the regular season back court picks tend to draw fouls it was a foolish play of his part. Nobody on Portland stays up close enough to Harden to draw the offensive foul on the shoulder lean in basically you have to take that one right in the chest if you want a foul call. The Lopez call might have been bad if he was not standing under his own rim, basically meaning they have to call him for contact whether Dwight initiated it or not. But I wil agree that the refs would have drawn ire from either side regardless.

 

[cmeese47]

No mention of Howard having no business being in the game in the first place? He threw down Freeland the play before and was allowed to shoot two free throws. It should have been Blazer ball tied at 119.

Watch the replay on the Freeland never got in front of Howard and was off balance trying to arm fight him for position, Howard did not throw him down, he may do some shady things at times like his favorite arm grab but that was not one of them.

 

[cmeese47]

So uh is cmeese47 actually Mixum or something? What gives here? No real Blazer fan would be that blinded. He's either a Houston fan or a troll. There were clearly terrible fouls calls on both sides.

I am sorry I am not buying the whole the refs were out to get Portland thing. The most brought up bad calls against Portland are barely defendable, the Lopez foul was clearly a foul on him that is what happens in the post the guy with the ball initiates contact and tries to get you out of the way. Lopez was never set, did not go straight up and Howard ended up on the floor they have to call a foul there on Lopez. Howard did not push Freeland down he fell fighting for position, and we got lucky the foul was called because if not Howard jams the offensive rebound and likely draws an and 1. Sure they butchered a couple calls against Portland but refs miss calls every game but it is not every game the NBA says they fucked up.

 

[Buffalo Blazer]

I am sorry I am not buying the whole the refs were out to get Portland thing. The most brought up bad calls against Portland are barely defendable, the Lopez foul was clearly a foul on him that is what happens in the post the guy with the ball initiates contact and tries to get you out of the way. Lopez was never set, did not go straight up and Howard ended up on the floor they have to call a foul there on Lopez. Howard did not push Freeland down he fell fighting for position, and we got lucky the foul was called because if not Howard jams the offensive rebound and likely draws an and 1. Sure they butchered a couple calls against Portland but refs miss calls every game but it is not every game the NBA says they fucked up.

I'm gonna guess you think the gut punch shouldn't have been called a foul or a technical as well.

There were bad calls on both sides...you don't have to prove your impartiality by taking anti-Blazer positions all the time. Just be a normal dude.

 

[blue32]

I'm gonna guess you think the gut punch shouldn't have been called a foul or a technical as well.

There were bad calls on both sides...you don't have to prove your impartiality by taking anti-Blazer positions all the time. Just be a normal dude.

Meh, dudes like him are a lost cause. They didn't see the entire picture.

Someone in an earlier post counted the fouls up; including phatoms, etc for fourth quarter. Tons of blown calls, and in the fourth+OT, Houston favorable calls outdid Portland favorable calls.

The entire fact that Houston went 40FTA's in just a half is just crazy. That type of refereeing is terrible and it was evident.

 

[maxiep]

I posed the question earlier, because I think it's an important one. Exactly how many FTs should Houston have shot in the first half? I know they shot zero, but how many bad calls were there that denied them free throw attempts? Five? Ten? Fifteen? How many?

 

[magnifier661]

I am sorry I am not buying the whole the refs were out to get Portland thing. The most brought up bad calls against Portland are barely defendable, the Lopez foul was clearly a foul on him that is what happens in the post the guy with the ball initiates contact and tries to get you out of the way. Lopez was never set, did not go straight up and Howard ended up on the floor they have to call a foul there on Lopez. Howard did not push Freeland down he fell fighting for position, and we got lucky the foul was called because if not Howard jams the offensive rebound and likely draws an and 1. Sure they butchered a couple calls against Portland but refs miss calls every game but it is not every game the NBA says they fucked up.

Well the good thing is Blazers won right? So lets just call it a fair game.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Well the good thing is Blazers won right? So lets just call it a fair game.

Please stop quoting this joker when you reply to him. I feel stupider every time I read a post.

 

[magnifier661]

Please stop quoting this joker when you reply to him. I feel stupider every time I read a post.

Yeah the comments remind me of a someone into child porn

 

[maxiep]

How dare we not apologize?!?

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2014/04/blazers-not-apologizing-for-nbas-wrong-call-on-foul/

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I will when Howard apologizes for all the elbows he gave Lopez, and he admits he should have been called for a foul when he elbowed Lopez (who was just standing there and got called for a foul).

Sounds fair, right?

 

[RR7]

picture 1 on that page is a pretty good view of what should have been a jump ball call, that led to Garcia I believe getting FTs

 

[magnifier661]

How dare we not apologize?!?

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2014/04/blazers-not-apologizing-for-nbas-wrong-call-on-foul/

Aldridge should have responded "TOUGH SHIT!"