Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 players..

[BigGameDamian]

It will come down to LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Paul George and LaMarcus Aldridge.

 

[HailBlazers]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

And Kenny said he's the Kevin Durant of Power Forwards, the best in the NBA.

No biggie.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LMA deserves to be in the conversation, but it's like being the 4th guy invited to the Heisman.

We're crowing (rightfully so) over him putting up a career-high 44 against a non-playoff team, while KD is averaging 38 a game this month in games against SAS, POR, etc without RW. He's averaging 31 a game on fewer shots than LMA, for a team with worse talent and a better record.

 

[jlprk]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Watching Shaq duel with Kenny, I feel like a witness to a debate at Harvard.

 

[Strenuus]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LMA deserves to be in the conversation, but it's like being the 4th guy invited to the Heisman.

We're crowing (rightfully so) over him putting up a career-high 44 against a non-playoff team, while KD is averaging 38 a game this month in games against SAS, POR, etc without RW. He's averaging 31 a game on fewer shots than LMA, for a team with worse talent and a better record.

Star players put up gaudy numbers on poor teams on national tv. The national tv audience doesn't care who it's against. If they did care about the actual player, Griffin would not be as popular.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LMA deserves to be in the conversation, but it's like being the 4th guy invited to the Heisman.

We're crowing (rightfully so) over him putting up a career-high 44 against a non-playoff team, while KD is averaging 38 a game this month in games against SAS, POR, etc without RW. He's averaging 31 a game on fewer shots than LMA, for a team with worse talent and a better record.

For fuck's sake. It never ends...

Durant is the obvious MVP. I put LMA above George, though, and right behind James.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LMA deserves to be in the conversation, but it's like being the 4th guy invited to the Heisman.

We're crowing (rightfully so) over him putting up a career-high 44 against a non-playoff team, while KD is averaging 38 a game this month in games against SAS, POR, etc without RW. He's averaging 31 a game on fewer shots than LMA, for a team with worse talent and a better record.

Do you hold it all game to piss this much on every bowl of wheaties you see?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Which part do you disagree with, BC?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Which part do you disagree with, BC?

That part where you remind us how much less awesome LMA is than we feel right now. You're doing a single-player version of Mixum's classic downer posts about how our victories are meaningless and we have so many problems just under teh surface.

By the way, I PM'd an admin and found out you can't be ignored even of you go orange. So quit pissing in our wheaties! We have no way of not listening to your one note song.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

That part where you remind us how much less awesome LMA is than we feel right now. You're doing a single-player version of Mixum's classic downer posts about how our victories are meaningless and we have so many problems just under teh surface.

By the way, I PM'd an admin and found out you can't be ignored even of you go orange. So quit pissing in our wheaties! We have no way of not listening to your one note song.

I'm not even sure why BrianfromWA is a moderator at this point. Almost every post he has relates to other posters, or is directed at how crappy LMA is, yet we underlings can't see it. An honorable man would resign his moderator position, but we all know that doesn't happen here. Or, it does, and then the mods who give up their status end up begging to get it back.

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Didn't LaMarcus put up 38 points in a win over the Thunder this year? WITH Westbrook.

 

[jlprk]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Do you hold it all game to piss this much on every bowl of wheaties you see?

So quit pissing in our wheaties!

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Fair point.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

As I've posted multiple times today, PapaG, you're welcome to PM someone in charge and have me removed. Hell, I think you can ask for me to be banned. But I think we both know how that will go.

BC, I've left the "Church of LMA" thread alone for the very reason you're talking about. You can praise to the skies, and talk about how he's the most valuable player in the league to your heart's content without my interference of facts from other players. But in a thread about other MVP candidates, and how a commentator talked about LMA's chances thereof, I posted my opinion, backed up by facts. You (or anyone else) is welcome to post yours as well, and (as we've seen multiple times recently) you don't need facts to do so.

As for "one note" tune: You don't say a word when I praise LMA, you don't say anything when I point out that what I recommended for the team (since at least May) is actually working to make him a much more efficient and higher scorer very recently, getting him more foul shots and more offensive rebounds, and you don't say anything when I talk about Lillard's shooting or Mo's running of the offense or Wesley's 3pt%. Why is it that this particular topic (and the insistence that everyone has to share your inflated opinion on it) so close to your heart?

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

If you really want to make MVP arguments, and you really want to "jump on the L-Train", then stick with the counting stats and enjoy. The more you watch, and the more that you study what your eyes may not see, the more you realize that LMA has become the perfect Robin, and that he probably isn't even the team's MVP (I'll save that for another post), and he probably shouldn't keep jacking up the voluminous amount of jumpers that he does, since he's not doing any better than anytime else in his career (actually, worse, since he's shooting more of them).

Sure, chant M-V-P and make him feel comfortable in Portland. If it helps him sign a max extension here, great. I like having him on the team, and the potential of LaMonster bubbling below the surface. I (and everyone else should) recognize that when he's playing like LaMonster he's the best all-around big (not named LeBron) in the NBA. But recognize as well that his uptick in scoring isn't b/c he's playing more like LaMonster, it's because he's playing more like a mix of K*be's chucker-ness and Andrea Bargnani's efficiency (no, really, look it up). His rise in rebounding isn't from crashing the offensive boards (lowest total AND ORB% of his career), it's from sticking himself in position on D to get them. It's not LMA that's increasing the team's offensive efficiency to 1st in the league, since he's actually less efficient than he was last year--just taking more shots.

Oops.

We're crowing (rightfully so) over him putting up a career-high 44 against a non-playoff team, while KD is averaging 38 a game this month in games against SAS, POR, etc without RW. He's averaging 31 a game on fewer shots than LMA, for a team with worse talent and a better record.

Sounds like someone is having some pronoun issues. It's "I'm" not "We're". And, it's "eating crow" not "crowing."

● Leads the Blazers in Points and Rebounds (32-11 record)

● Career high 44 points, to go with 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks... and scored the final 15 points of the game for Portland tonight

● 5th in Rebounds per game in the NBA

● 5th in Points per game in the NBA

● Only 3 times this season has a player gone for 30+ points and 20+ rebounds. LA has done it 2 of those 3 times.

● Since Dec 1st, LA is averaging: 26.2 PPG (.491 FG% .839 FT%) 12.8 RPG 3.2 APG 1 BPG and only 1.3 turnovers per game



The argument has always been made that Kevin Love is the best PF because of his stats. In fact, since Dec 1st, Love is only better in one of those categories, 0.8 more APG. LaMarcus is putting up stats AND winning ball games.

If you didn't hear me at the game, I'll repeat what I chanted there: MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP...

Can you hear me now?

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

As I've posted multiple times today, PapaG, you're welcome to PM someone in charge and have me removed. Hell, I think you can ask for me to be banned. But I think we both know how that will go.

BC, I've left the "Church of LMA" thread alone for the very reason you're talking about. You can praise to the skies, and talk about how he's the most valuable player in the league to your heart's content without my interference of facts from other players. But in a thread about other MVP candidates, and how a commentator talked about LMA's chances thereof, I posted my opinion, backed up by facts. You (or anyone else) is welcome to post yours as well, and (as we've seen multiple times recently) you don't need facts to do so.

As for "one note" tune: You don't say a word when I praise LMA, you don't say anything when I point out that what I recommended for the team (since at least May) is actually working to make him a much more efficient and higher scorer very recently, getting him more foul shots and more offensive rebounds, and you don't say anything when I talk about Lillard's shooting or Mo's running of the offense or Wesley's 3pt%. Why is it that this particular topic (and the insistence that everyone has to share your inflated opinion on it) so close to your heart?

I don't care about you being removed. I find your anti-LMA obsession to be weird and a bit OCD. LMA is clearly one of the best 3 players in the NBA right now, regardless of where he gets his points. I have him 3rd in the MVP spot, behind Durant and James.

When is the next time you'll post that LMA shoots jump shots? Nobody here is aware of that stat, Brian.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Yawn. I'm going to bed.

Say goodnight, Dick.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I watched first hand tonight a team rally around and then ride a player to victory. My gf and I are both hoarse from yelling MVP! MVP! MVP! What did he have, 15 straight pts to win the game? He might not be the MVP but that was truly an MVP performance.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Yawn. I'm going to bed.

Say goodnight, Dick.

Goodnight Dick!

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

That part where you remind us how much less awesome LMA is than we feel right now. You're doing a single-player version of Mixum's classic downer posts about how our victories are meaningless and we have so many problems just under teh surface.

By the way, I PM'd an admin and found out you can't be ignored even of you go orange. So quit pissing in our wheaties! We have no way of not listening to your one note song.

Well said.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I watched first hand tonight a team rally around and then ride a player to victory. My gf and I are both hoarse from yelling MVP! MVP! MVP! What did he have, 15 straight pts to win the game? He might not be the MVP but that was truly an MVP performance.

He shoots a lot of jump shots, though, and isn't leading the league in offensive rebounding.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I watched first hand tonight a team rally around and then ride a player to victory. My gf and I are both hoarse from yelling MVP! MVP! MVP! What did he have, 15 straight pts to win the game? He might not be the MVP but that was truly an MVP performance.

So that was YOU? I was wondering who the other person was shouting MVP. It was just you and me right? lol

 

[Strenuus]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I watched first hand tonight a team rally around and then ride a player to victory. My gf and I are both hoarse from yelling MVP! MVP! MVP! What did he have, 15 straight pts to win the game? He might not be the MVP but that was truly an MVP performance.

From the 9:20 mark of the 4th quarter, the only person on the court in a blazer uniform that scored points was LaMarcus Aldridge.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

So that was YOU? I was wondering who the other person was shouting MVP. It was just you and me right? lol

I was a couple of rows directly behind Reggie Miller, I was surprised how few people were yelling during the game in the lower bowl 100 level.

I also saw Billy Dee Williams at the game.

 

[StumptownHoliday]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Watching Shaq duel with Kenny, I feel like a witness to a debate at Harvard.

Those dudes know their basketball.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

From the 9:20 mark of the 4th quarter, the only person on the court in a blazer uniform that scored points was LaMarcus Aldridge.

What a performance. I can't remember the last PF in the NBA to do that. Karl Malone, maybe?

 

[Strenuus]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

What a performance. I can't remember the last PF in the NBA to do that. Karl Malone, maybe?

I wonder where a stat like that could be found? Elias perhaps?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Oops.



Sounds like someone is having some pronoun issues. It's "I'm" not "We're". And, it's "eating crow" not "crowing."

● Leads the Blazers in Points and Rebounds (32-11 record)

● Career high 44 points, to go with 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks... and scored the final 15 points of the game for Portland tonight

● 5th in Rebounds per game in the NBA

● 5th in Points per game in the NBA

● Only 3 times this season has a player gone for 30+ points and 20+ rebounds. LA has done it 2 of those 3 times.

● Since Dec 1st, LA is averaging: 26.2 PPG (.491 FG% .839 FT%) 12.8 RPG 3.2 APG 1 BPG and only 1.3 turnovers per game



The argument has always been made that Kevin Love is the best PF because of his stats. In fact, since Dec 1st, Love is only better in one of those categories, 0.8 more APG. LaMarcus is putting up stats AND winning ball games.

If you didn't hear me at the game, I'll repeat what I chanted there: MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP...

Can you hear me now?

You can cheer however you like. You paid for the ticket.
I refer you to the "Shaq MVP thread" post two for my response to your assertion about MVP status. I know you don't like actual discussion so I won't repeat myself in multiple threads.
And I (unlike you) stand by every stat and assertion I posted.

Since I posted that, he has had 3 straight games of doing what I've posted since May for him to do (move inside for at least half of his shots). His career-best game tonight was a great example. More than half his shots in the paint, averaging 53% on them (50% on his jumpers) and gathering 15FTs. When he maintains a 70/30 jumper-to-paint shot percentage or less, he averages 5 FTA per game. So yes, if he had maintained what he'd been doing up to our discussion

I've said for 3 years (I know you haven't been around to get the benefit of it) that if LMA reduced the amount of 16-23 foot jumpers (especially contested ones) to just the level that the next-highest volume jumpshooter was and just went to the paint a few times more times a game, he would help the team out a lot by getting position for offensive rebounds, higher FG%, more FTs, etc. Today was a validation of that. If he'd have been at his previously-normal 70-30 (21 jumpers to 8 paint shots) level, the percentages of his shots show that he likely would've missed out on around 1 extra made bucket and 3-5 FTs (depending on how many times you think he would've been fouled on a Jumper) and one less ORB. Aside from nothing else, those 4-6 points would've made the game a lot more likely to lose. Which is why I was advocating for it even while you were saying "25.1 ppg" and "30-9". Because team wins correlate very strongly to offensive efficiency, and just because we're ranked the highest, doesn't mean we can't be better. If LMA doesn't go inside today, and we don't get those extra 4-6 points (even on the same number of shots), then we are in danger of losing by a point or two. Just like CLE or MIA. But LMA would've had 38 or so points and 12 boards and people would be saying that he played a great game. As I've shown (and said all along), he has the ability and tools to be greater than a poor-man's Dirk.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

You can cheer however you like. You paid for the ticket.
I refer you to the "Shaq MVP thread" post two for my response to your assertion about MVP status. I know you don't like actual discussion so I won't repeat myself in multiple threads.
And I (unlike you) stand by every stat and assertion I posted.

Since I posted that, he has had 3 straight games of doing what I've posted since May for him to do (move inside for at least half of his shots). His career-best game tonight was a great example. More than half his shots in the paint, averaging 53% on them (50% on his jumpers) and gathering 15FTs. When he maintains a 70/30 jumper-to-paint shot percentage or less, he averages 5 FTA per game. So yes, if he had maintained what he'd been doing up to our discussion

I've said for 3 years (I know you haven't been around to get the benefit of it) that if LMA reduced the amount of 16-23 foot jumpers (especially contested ones) to just the level that the next-highest volume jumpshooter was and just went to the paint a few times more times a game, he would help the team out a lot by getting position for offensive rebounds, higher FG%, more FTs, etc. Today was a validation of that. If he'd have been at his previously-normal 70-30 (21 jumpers to 8 paint shots) level, the percentages of his shots show that he likely would've missed out on around 1 extra made bucket and 3-5 FTs (depending on how many times you think he would've been fouled on a Jumper) and one less ORB. Aside from nothing else, those 4-6 points would've made the game a lot more likely to lose. Which is why I was advocating for it even while you were saying "25.1 ppg" and "30-9". Because team wins correlate very strongly to offensive efficiency, and just because we're ranked the highest, doesn't mean we can't be better. If LMA doesn't go inside today, and we don't get those extra 4-6 points (even on the same number of shots), then we are in danger of losing by a point or two. Just like CLE or MIA. But LMA would've had 38 or so points and 12 boards and people would be saying that he played a great game. As I've shown (and said all along), he has the ability and tools to be greater than a poor-man's Dirk.

You can refer me anywhere you'd like. But understand if I want a pair of heels I'm not going to the Goodwill, so I will politely provide my own referrals because I'm not a poor-man's anything, and neither is LA.

As for where you stand? You can remain standing in that pile of pig manure for all I care. I'd just don't want to see it. But since I have to, I'm going to keep pointing it out: "You're standing in pig shit!"

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I was a couple of rows directly behind Reggie Miller, I was surprised how few people were yelling during the game in the lower bowl 100 level.

I also saw Billy Dee Williams at the game.

It's like that. The more vocal fans are in the 300s. Generally speaking, there's a lot of "dress up" to attend the game the closer you get to the court and less "rabid Blazer fan". Just an observation. I'd settle for courtside (pretty pricey), or somewhere in the middle like tonight, for the best experience. High 100 lvl, or low 200 level works for me.

Gang mentality plays a role I bet too. But its not like you can't hear or see people on the other side of the arena for permission to get up and cheer.