Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 players..

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Unfortunately, he's wrong. LA is shooting nearly the same in percentage from inside as outside on the left block. He's just a "go get it done" guy.

Can you define what you mean by "outside on the left block" and "inside"? I mean, I don't want to harp if we're not talking about the same thing, but shots on the "left block" (8-16 feet on the left side on this shot chart of LMA's) are 18% less than shots in the paint, and especially shots within 8 feet of the hoop.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Can you define what you mean by "outside on the left block" and "inside"? I mean, I don't want to harp if we're not talking about the same thing, but shots on the "left block" (8-16 feet on the left side on this shot chart of LMA's) are 18% less than shots in the paint, and especially shots within 8 feet of the hoop.

Flip it, slice it, turn it, put a garage door on it... you can make stats say whatever you want. The issue with your constant criticism of LA is that it paints and inaccurate picture of LA's game. Several articles have already addressed LA taking the ball to the rim versus shooting a jump shot well off the block - that his jumper is as good as a lay-up. You and I will never be talking about the same thing when it comes to LA because while I'm chanting MVP at the Rose Garden, you'll be sitting at your computer complaining about him.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

So either nba.com's shot chart or you are lying about your assertion that "Unfortunately, (Brian)'s wrong. LA is shooting nearly the same in percentage from inside as outside on the left block. He's just a "go get it done" guy."

Based on history, I'd say it's you. But I'm happy to look at whatever you have that contradicts it.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

My history of explaining ad nauseam why LA is having an MVP season? I'm not arguing with that shot chart. I'm laughing at your premise that LA isn't the MVP of the Blazers (still waiting on that post you promised to explain that one), and is a chucker. That's YOUR premise, and to prove it, you compare him to Bargnani, and fail miserably to pick apart his shooting percentage as evidence that he is a chucker and not the MVP of even the Blazers. You won't address your premise or defend it, so I think we're done here. lol

Feel free to show me the shot chart of LA's isolation stats in half court sets, and whether a help defender was involved - LA taking it to the rim vs taking a jump shot. Your amateur shot chart isn't what team's use to study tendencies or create defensive schemes that center entirely around stopping LA. But I could be wrong. I bet Denver used that shot chart, which is why they got burned for 44 LA points.

 

[riverman]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Brian isn't the only one saying LaMarcus is more effective when he takes more shots in the paint and at the rim. Half this board has complained for years that LaMarcus should use his considerable talent and skills to play closer to the basket. That's why he has so many 'softy' nicknames. The difference is, Brian uses actual statistical data to back up his assertion. And when LaMarcus does get closer to a 50/50 split in inside/outside play, it seems like more often than not he turns into LaMonster. Like last night. And when LaMarcus does that, Brian is the first to give LaMarcus kudos for it.

I don't know why some people are giving Brian such a hard time about it. Brian, I think you could let some of it slide off your back a little more though. You've made your point, I think. No sense rehashing it. People might start accusing you of having a vendetta, or worse, being a hatr.

What often is ignored with the whole pts in the paint thing is how much time those guys spend injured on the bench. Dunkers are high risk players for injury. LaMarcus has mentioned this multiple times. His game is special, love it or leave it I say!

 

[riverman]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

My history of explaining ad nauseam why LA is having an MVP season? I'm not arguing with that shot chart. I'm laughing at your premise that LA isn't the MVP of the Blazers (still waiting on that post you promised to explain that one), and is a chucker. That's YOUR premise, and to prove it, you compare him to Bargnani, and fail miserably to pick apart his shooting percentage as evidence that he is a chucker and not the MVP of even the Blazers. You won't address your premise or defend it, so I think we're done here. lol

Feel free to show me the shot chart of LA's isolation stats in half court sets, and whether a help defender was involved - LA taking it to the rim vs taking a jump shot. Your amateur shot chart isn't what team's use to study tendencies or create defensive schemes that center entirely around stopping LA. But I could be wrong. I bet Denver used that shot chart, which is why they got burned for 44 LA points.

These guys just really miss JJ Hickson...why, I'll never know but JJ was a dunker first and foremost.

 

[BBert]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Don't look at me. I never called LaMarcus "LaMarshmallow" (my favorite), complained about his game, or wanted him traded. He is a beast in the post though.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Don't look at me. I never called LaMarcus "LaMarshmallow" (my favorite), complained about his game, or wanted him traded. He is a beast in the post though.

I don't see anyone giving Brian a hard time. I see people ripping his premise (LA isn't the MVP of the Blazers, LA is a chucker, LA is Bargnani on offense) to absolute shreds. No one forced Brian to state that premise, continue to avoid explaining his premise, or explain how his generic stats support his premise. When Brian keeps it about basketball, I do too. When Brain gets personal, I throw it right back. It's always been his choice how the discussion goes regardless of his opinion on LA. I'm not going to convince him of anything. It would be nice if he could defend the premise he asserted though.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LeBron James name doesn't even get mentioned?

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LeBron James name doesn't even get mentioned?

I have Durant, then James, then LMA. I even posted it in this thread.

 

[cmeese47]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LMA deserves to be in the conversation, but it's like being the 4th guy invited to the Heisman.

We're crowing (rightfully so) over him putting up a career-high 44 against a non-playoff team, while KD is averaging 38 a game this month in games against SAS, POR, etc without RW. He's averaging 31 a game on fewer shots than LMA, for a team with worse talent and a better record.

That is why he is on pace to be this seasons MVP.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

That is why he is on pace to be this seasons MVP.

I don't think anyone here disagrees with Durant being MVP. It's the school marm act about not chanting "MVP" at the end of games to LMA after a career night that seems weird to me. I have a feeling that poster would pull out his laptop and show advanced shooting stats for LMA, then telling the fans around him to calm down and not have fun because there is at least one better MVP candidate.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I don't see anyone giving Brian a hard time. I see people ripping his premise (LA isn't the MVP of the Blazers, LA is a chucker, LA is Bargnani on offense) to absolute shreds. No one forced Brian to state that premise, continue to avoid explaining his premise, or explain how his generic stats support his premise. When Brian keeps it about basketball, I do too. When Brain gets personal, I throw it right back. It's always been his choice how the discussion goes regardless of his opinion on LA. I'm not going to convince him of anything. It would be nice if he could defend the premise he asserted though.

Brian isn't even supporting it anymore. Instead, we get a few Brian fanbois posting "Brian meant this!" or "Brian meant that!" It's hilarious.

 

[cmeese47]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Flip it, slice it, turn it, put a garage door on it... you can make stats say whatever you want. The issue with your constant criticism of LA is that it paints and inaccurate picture of LA's game. Several articles have already addressed LA taking the ball to the rim versus shooting a jump shot well off the block - that his jumper is as good as a lay-up. You and I will never be talking about the same thing when it comes to LA because while I'm chanting MVP at the Rose Garden, you'll be sitting at your computer complaining about him.

You can chant MVP all you want I do not think the flowers at the Rose Garden are going to care either way. But it is nice that your trying to get them involved.

 

[cmeese47]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I don't think anyone here disagrees with Durant being MVP. It's the school marm act about not chanting "MVP" at the end of games to LMA after a career night that seems weird to me. I have a feeling that poster would pull out his laptop and show advanced shooting stats for LMA, then telling the fans around him to calm down and not have fun because there is at least one better MVP candidate.

I have no problem at all with people chanting MVP at Aldridge the dude is an all star and he is leading the team to victory after victory. If he won the award then I might have a problem but until that happens have fun and enjoy a good Blazers season for the first time in a while.

 

[cmeese47]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

What often is ignored with the whole pts in the paint thing is how much time those guys spend injured on the bench. Dunkers are high risk players for injury. LaMarcus has mentioned this multiple times. His game is special, love it or leave it I say!

I do not think he needs to become a dunker, however, I do believe that it would make his life a lot easier if he took a few extra shots in the paint. Rasheed Wallace did not like to play on the low block much but when he did he was virtually unguardable. LA is having a great year but at 47% shooting he has some room to improve and many believe that him getting in the paint would do just that as well as earn him more FTA per game.

 

[Wolvesguy14]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

And Kenny said he's the Kevin Durant of Power Forwards, the best in the NBA.

No biggie.

Quoting and using Kenny Smith as evidence.

Might as well use Skip Bayless.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I do not think he needs to become a dunker, however, I do believe that it would make his life a lot easier if he took a few extra shots in the paint. Rasheed Wallace did not like to play on the low block much but when he did he was virtually unguardable. LA is having a great year but at 47% shooting he has some room to improve and many believe that him getting in the paint would do just that as well as earn him more FTA per game.

Rasheed was more athletically gifted than LMA, but he lacked the drive to become a franchise player, even after he received a max contract. Which is sad, because Rasheed had 1% talent, but his 5 cent brain in terms of reacting to the refs led to him checking out of games, both physically after being booted, or mentally after whatever he felt was his latest injustice.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Quoting and using Kenny Smith as evidence.

Might as well use Skip Bayless.

LMA isn't as good at bowling down sumo wrestlers in ads in China. The Chinese like to vote, too! Jeremy Lin was 4th in AS voting at guard, for some reason.

[video=youtube;wmBMCMgdLeg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBMCMgdLeg[/video]

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Quoting and using Kenny Smith as evidence.

Might as well use Skip Bayless.

When one of the more vocal critics of LA and the Blazers flips the script entirely, ya, it matters. lol

 

[blazerboy30]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

The great part of this board is that I don't have to. I'm putting out information that no one else is, and while some posters don't like it, some do. I'm putting out analyses that other people aren't, and whether they agree with you or not, they generate discussion. I come here to learn things from other fans, and to look up information about items where I could be wrong. I think the board would be a lot better if more people did that.

You're putting out "information" that is cutting-and-pasting statistics that anybody can look at and then creating a terribly flawed analysis based on that.

When you use phrases like "I showed conclusively" with respect to the so-called "analysis" you've done here, you should expect to get called out on it.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

LMA isn't as good at bowling down sumo wrestlers in ads in China. The Chinese like to vote, too! Jeremy Lin was 4th in AS voting at guard, for some reason.

[video=youtube;wmBMCMgdLeg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBMCMgdLeg[/video]

I thought Sumo was Japanese?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I thought Sumo was Japanese?

They all look the same

 

[PapaG]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

I thought Sumo was Japanese?

I think the ad is an insult by the Chinese to the Japanese. At least that's how I viewed it. American in Chinese shoes bowls over great Japanese Sumo wrestlers.

 

[BBert]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Wow. Shitty commercial for shitty looking shoes. "Love to try." "I am Love." LOL

 

[ponderguy]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Wow. Shitty commercial for shitty looking shoes. "Love to try." "I am Love." LOL

opposed to all the ads blazer players have been featured in right?

 

[RR7]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

opposed to all the ads blazer players have been featured in right?

Does that statement make it somehow a good commercial?

 

[ponderguy]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

Does that statement make it somehow a good commercial?

Nope.

 

[Strenuus]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

opposed to all the ads blazer players have been featured in right?

Some of the national Dame ones for Adidas were cool.

But, you can never compare local shoots to national ones. Even though they usually suck equally.

 

[BBert]

Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

opposed to all the ads blazer players have been featured in right?

IDK. I can't think of any. I almost never see ads. That's what the pause and skip buttons are for.

I can think of two. I loved the Oden "I'm a Chameleon" one. Classic. Someone posted here the worst local ad ever made a while back with LaMarcus and Fropez. They tried to make it so bad it was good but it was just bad.