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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush.

Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins).

Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella.

This is a nice lineup:

PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong
SG: Dorell, Antoine
SF: Jefferson, Nachbar
PF: Boone, Williams, Allen
C: Shaq, Krstic

Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div>

That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins.

Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact.
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Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot.

There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades.

Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush.

Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins).

Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella.

This is a nice lineup:

PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong
SG: Dorell, Antoine
SF: Jefferson, Nachbar
PF: Boone, Williams, Allen
C: Shaq, Krstic

Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div>

That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins.

Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact.
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Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot.

There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades.

Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play.
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Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush.

Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins).

Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella.

This is a nice lineup:

PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong
SG: Dorell, Antoine
SF: Jefferson, Nachbar
PF: Boone, Williams, Allen
C: Shaq, Krstic

Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div>

That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins.

Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact.
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Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot.

There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades.

Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play.
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Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ).
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Can't compare Ricky Davis to Carter. Carter is $7mm cheaper and younger than Shaq. Takes pressure off Wade and they get a PG in Marcus.

And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this.
I honestly think we're fine with Boone and Sean. we can keep mags, but we need to get rid of allen, collins, and maybe boki or twan to pick up a sharpshooter/possible big man not named Shaq or something.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 19 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.</div>

What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that.
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For the second time, Kiki was fired before Nene agreed to a contract extension.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush.

Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins).

Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella.

This is a nice lineup:

PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong
SG: Dorell, Antoine
SF: Jefferson, Nachbar
PF: Boone, Williams, Allen
C: Shaq, Krstic

Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div>

That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins.

Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact.
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Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot.

There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades.

Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play.
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Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ).
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Can't compare Ricky Davis to Carter. Carter is $7mm cheaper and younger than Shaq. Takes pressure off Wade and they get a PG in Marcus.

And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.
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Im not comparin' Davis and Carter.If the Heat do this trade,its to get under the luxury tax,and rebuild around Wade.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 19 2008, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">New Jersey Nets
</span>Incoming Players
<span style="color:#ff0000">Shaquille O'Neal</span>
Salary: $20,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 14.5 REB: 8.0 AST: 1.4 PER: 18.91
Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Sean Williams, Jamaal Magloire

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">Miami Heat
</span>Incoming Players
<span style="color:#ff0000">Richard Jefferson</span>
Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 23.9 REB: 4.3 AST: 2.8 PER: 18.44
<span style="color:#ff0000">Sean Williams</span>
Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.4 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.86
<span style="color:#ff0000">Jamaal Magloire</span>
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.9 REB: 3.6 AST: 0.3 PER: 2.05
Outgoing Players: Shaquille O'Neal</div>

OH HELL NO......as much as I would want Shaq here and Mags being sent away I'm not giving them Sean Williams, and If Miami takes any Williams and RJ for Shaq he better come w/ atleast a # 1 draft pick for 07' why are you doing Riley a favor here ? ...for that just deal w/ the Clippers for Elton Brand
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 19 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.</div>

What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that.
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pretty obvious, nobody knows who Boone is, Shaq will get playoff calls and the treatment. to want Boone over Shaq is just....insane, even for nets fans
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jan 19 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure how I feel about this.
I honestly think we're fine with Boone and Sean. we can keep mags, but we need to get rid of allen, collins, and maybe boki or twan to pick up a sharpshooter/possible big man not named Shaq or something.</div>
sean and boone is so damn redundant. they are both shotblockers and rebounders but neither have any offensive game. the nets offense sux, even with them in the lineup because neither can make a shot 10 ft away. Shaq is a major upgrade
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush.

Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins).

Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella.

This is a nice lineup:

PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong
SG: Dorell, Antoine
SF: Jefferson, Nachbar
PF: Boone, Williams, Allen
C: Shaq, Krstic

Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div>

That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins.

Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact.
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Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot.

There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades.

Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play.
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Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ).
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Can't compare Ricky Davis to Carter. Carter is $7mm cheaper and younger than Shaq. Takes pressure off Wade and they get a PG in Marcus.

And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.
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yeah, you know, because the Heat really want vince carter who has a crappy contract over the younger, cheaper RJ
 
Jizzy, straight up, and if they were in the same stage of their career, and had the same contract, I'd take Shaq. But 20mil is too much for someone who can't even average double figures.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Jan 19 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jizzy, straight up, and if they were in the same stage of their career, and had the same contract, I'd take Shaq. But 20mil is too much for someone who can't even average double figures.</div>
he's had two 20/10 pt games in a row. shaq needs to be motivated and he's not gonna get motivated in miami where they are tanking
 
What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Jan 19 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jizzy, straight up, and if they were in the same stage of their career, and had the same contract, I'd take Shaq. But 20mil is too much for someone who can't even average double figures.</div>
WOW
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
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Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
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Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
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look at them play.


and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
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Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
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look at them play.


and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
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Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
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Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
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look at them play.


and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
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Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake?
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well, when i go to the heat forum, they all say they are in tank mode. they are to far behind to catch anyone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
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Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
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look at them play.


and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
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Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake?
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well, when i go to the heat forum, they all say they are in tank mode. they are to far behind to catch anyone.
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Jizzy, the Miami Heat is not run by, or consisted of, forum members, nor are they paid on an NBA2k8 pay-scale.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.</div>

I disagree. With Shaq in the lineup they have a big man that draws double teams, and shoots 59%. Having two really talented swingmen is not better than having a talented swingman and a talented center.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 19 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.</div>

I disagree. With Shaq in the lineup they have a big man that draws double teams, and shoots 59%. Having two really talented swingmen is not better than having a talented swingman and a talented center.
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LOL,that's not what he meant.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
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Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
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look at them play.


and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
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Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake?
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8-30 is pretty terrible. To get 41 wins they have to go 33-11 for the rest of the season. The chance of that happening seems slim. That would be winning the remaining 44 games at a rate of .750, only Boston has a win% that good up to this point.

So I do think tanking is happening, either voluntarily or unvoluntarily (due to lost hope, selfish players, etc.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL,that's not what he meant.</div>


lol, you're right. oops. Well in response to him, I'd say I'd probably want Carter more over RJ, just because I think he is a more efficient scorer, has better court vision, better passer, and Shaq seems to be at least kind of friends with Carter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 19 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div>
stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
</div>

Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early?

Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
</div>


look at them play.


and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
</div>

Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake?
</div>
8-30 is pretty terrible. To get 41 wins they have to go 33-11 for the rest of the season. The chance of that happening seems slim. That would be winning the remaining 44 games at a rate of .750, only Boston has a win% that good up to this point.

So I do think tanking is happening, either voluntarily or unvoluntarily (due to lost hope, selfish players, etc.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL,that's not what he meant.</div>


lol, you're right. oops. Well in response to him, I'd say I'd probably want Carter more over RJ, just because I think he is a more efficient scorer, has better court vision, better passer, and Shaq seems to be at least kind of friends with Carter.
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Co-sign
 
I'm not too high on trading for Shaq.

BUT Shaquille is originally from Newark. He still has family in the city.

Maybe a change of scenery, and an opportunity to come home is all he needs to maybe make one final run. Riley can be a very physically demanding coach to say the least. Not exactly saying he'd return to his prime, or even be as good as he was two or three years ago, but maybe if Shaq got away from Riley it would be good for his career now and down the line.

So we would have a lineup of Kidd, Carter, Wright/Boki, Boone, Shaq with a bench of Darrell, either Wright/Boki, SWat, Jamaal, Krstic, and Malik Allen.
 
Heat drop 13th CONSECUTIVE game...panic button looking mighty tempting for Riley
 
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