Shawn Marion : "Time for me to move on."

[Apocalypse]

I just saw this article.</p>

"After eight years in Phoenix, Shawn Marion wants to leave the Suns and has let the team know in recent weeks. "I'm tired of hearing my name in trades," Marion said by phone from his Chicago home Tuesday night. "I love my fans in Phoenix but I think it's time for me to move on." There are two known trade suitors in the Utah Jazz (for Andrei Kirilenko, if not others) and the Los Angeles Lakers (for Lamar Odom and a teammate), with Marion showing an interest in the latter because of a friendship with Kobe Bryant. "Regardless of everything that went on with the extension, I'm tired of hearing my name in trade rumors," Marion said. "It's time for me to move on. I felt like they tried to force my hand to Boston with the (Kevin) Garnett stuff." In June, there was the possibility of a three-way trade sending Garnett to Phoenix, a Boston pick package going to Minnesota and Marion to Boston with a contract extension but the Marion camp killed it. "I haven't done anything wrong," said Marion, a four-time All-Star. "I leave it on the floor night in and night out. Sometimes, it's just time, and it's time to go. "It's been like a nightmare. It hurts me making this phone call. It's hurting me in my stomach."</p>

Do you think that the Nets could be able to acquire him from a trade ?</p>

 

[speeds]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Nash, Bell, Jefferson, Diaw, Stat</p>

Nash, Bell, Diaw, Kirilenko, Stoudemire</p>

Which is better?</p>

 

[reganomics813]

Re: Shawn Marion :

The only hope is Steve Kerr's admiration for RJ but I highly doubt that's enough to swing a deal like this. Boki and RJ for Marion works but that's still not on par with the Jazz or Laker offers unless moving him to the East is high on their priority list as well.</p>

 

[TucsonClip]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

The only hope is Steve Kerr's admiration for RJ but I highly doubt that's enough to swing a deal like this. Boki and RJ for Marion works but that's still not on par with the Jazz or Laker offers unless moving him to the East is high on their priority list as well.</p>

</div></p>

Moving him to the East should be a high priority for the Suns. They would be nuts to trade Marion out west, especially within the division to the Lakers or to Utah (title contenders). Boki, RJ, and cash would be a good start and a decent deal as is.</p>

 

[soul driver]

Re: Shawn Marion :

^ that doesn't sound so bad.

 

[bronbron23]

Re: Shawn Marion :

This is kinda bad because Marion works his ass off every night. The trade is down to money, Marions huge salary, right?</p>

 

[Real]

Re: Shawn Marion :

I don't see him coming here.</p>

I can't understand why he would want to go to the Lakers. They suck. Even with Kobe and Marion they're not beating the Spurs, Suns, Mavericks or the Jazz.</p>

 

[Dumpy]

Re: Shawn Marion :

screw that. Trade Vince for him. We're BACK!</p>

 

[Dark Defender]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Look at the past moves they have made, this will be a salary cap trade. I wish we had a big expiring deal.</p>

 

[ghoti]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Look at the past moves they have made, this will be a salary cap trade. I wish we had a big expiring deal.</p>

</div></p>

Marion was available last season when the Nets had one.</p>

Maybe they were afraid they wouldn't be able to move Carter and he'd pick up his option.</p>

</p>

 

[Answer_AI03]

Re: Shawn Marion :

keep dreamin guys</p>

 

[jarkid]

Re: Shawn Marion :

I just thought that it's strangebecause RJ never thought he is tired of being called in the trade rumor.</p>

 

[jarkid]

Re: Shawn Marion :

His shooting posture is too weird, so don't trade for him</p>

 

[jirohkanzaki]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speeds)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Nash, Bell, Jefferson, Diaw, Stat</p>

Nash, Bell, Diaw, Kirilenko, Stoudemire</p>

Which is better?</p>

</div></p>

</p>

nash, bell, vc, diaw, stoudemire</p>

 

[NJNetz]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speeds)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Nash, Bell, Jefferson, Diaw, Stat</p>

Nash, Bell, Diaw, Kirilenko, Stoudemire</p>

Which is better?</p>

</div></p>

</p>

Well RJ runs the floor better than Kirilenko. If they want to continue their running game, then they should look at Richard. It's not like his defense is bad, either.</p>

</p>

 

[Kidd Karma]

Re: Shawn Marion :

No way Suns move Marion east just for the sake of moving him. AK-47 on that roster, gets them younger, saves them immediate money and probably helps their running game. Will give Amare and the Suns an inside-outside option. Odom will keep the ball moving around.....only if the Suns are ready to win the next 2 years. As for VC or RJ? RJ fits better, but the Suns would want another piece, Boki would fit in nicely.</p>

 

[fruitcake]

Re: Shawn Marion :

suns might consider it if we add marcus. marcus could be the future PG of their system. RJ, Marcus, Boki would sound a lot better to them. we may have to add picks/cash to that as well.</p>

and I would do it.</p>

Kidd, Carter, Marion, Krstic, Magloire is championship material. Marion improves the defense exponentially--and doesnt need the ball to score--won't affect Vince and Kidd would be very pleased and happy passing to the best off-the-ball player in the league.</p>

 

[fruitcake]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speeds)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Nash, Bell, Jefferson, Diaw, Stat</p>

Nash, Bell, Diaw, Kirilenko, Stoudemire</p>

Which is better?</p>

</div></p>

Well RJ runs the floor better than Kirilenko. If they want to continue their running game, then they should look at Richard. It's not like his defense is bad, either.</p>

</div></p>

AK47 runs the floor equally well. Just because he does not finish with crazy dunks doesnt mean he can't run. Plus AK47 would ignite many more fast breaks with his steals and blocks. Kirilenko would really work for the Suns, and I dont think they would regress at all with Kirilenko there instead of Marion--they might even get better provided AK47 stays relatively healthy. Getting AK47 would allow more of the offense to be run through Diaw again--especially after they spent all that money on Diaw. I don't think they save too much money in that scenario tho?</p>

</p>

 

[Dumpy]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fruitcake)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

suns might consider it if we add marcus. marcus could be the future PG of their system. RJ, Marcus, Boki would sound a lot better to them. we may have to add picks/cash to that as well.</p>

and I would do it.</p>

Kidd, Carter, Marion, Krstic, Magloire is championship material. Marion improves the defense exponentially--and doesnt need the ball to score--won't affect Vince and Kidd would be very pleased and happy passing to the best off-the-ball player in the league.</p>

</div></p>

How does that help, really? I'm not protective of Boki and Marcus, but where are thy going to get a backup PG and a scorer off the bench from the SF/PF position at this point? Besides, RJ himself is a plus defender when healthy. I'd really prefer to trade Carter for Marion, and try to coax Kittles out of retirement.</p>

 

[Dark Defender]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Carter is pretty much untouchable for various reasons, one being he just signed a contract and can't be traded yet.</p>

I don't see the point in trading Marcus, boki and RJ. We get a definite upgrade at the 4 which we need but we just kill our other postions. A team built around a few guys does not work, come on Nets fans we know this.</p>

I prefer we go after AK because he would cost less to get.</p>

</p>

 

[speeds]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Marion would be a tremendous fit for the Nets. He could be better than Martin was. Plus he could share the limelight with Carter, who is always willing to stand aside. The issue is that I think Jefferson isn't as good a fit for the Suns as either Odom or AK would be.</p>

 

[jirohkanzaki]

Re: Shawn Marion :

</p>

ak47, the matrix it doesn't matter we need changes and the past few seasons have proven that vc and rj are redundant instead of complimentary...i think we need a power forward-ish type small forward instead of a perimeter-ish player since vc is a legit sg/sf and is untradeable. if we can't get an all-star pf for rj then this is the next best thing.</p>

 

[ghoti]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Shawn Marion is possibly the best man defender in the league.</p>

I think he should be the current DPOY.</p>

As much as I love Kirilenko, I think Marion would improve the Nets more.</p>

It makes a ton of sense for all three teams to pull of a Christmas blockbuster.</p>

Carter to Utah, AK to Phoenix, Marion to New Jersey.</p>

Every team gets an upgrade and a player they desperately need.</p>

This trade would make all three teams better, and make the Jazz and Nets MUCH better.</p>

</p>

 

[Dumpy]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

 

[ghoti]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

</div></p>

Collins is a salary dump. The Nets would have to compensate a team to take him or take back an even worse contract (example: Troy Murphy).</p>

They tried to include him in several deals to make salaries match and it was essentially a deal-killer.</p>

</p>

 

[Dark Defender]

Re: Shawn Marion :

Heres a bright side.</p>

Next year is his final year so we will have a $6 mill trading asset if hes not traded this season.</p>

 

[Dumpy]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

</div></p>

Collins is a salary dump. The Nets would have to compensate a team to take him or take back an even worse contract (example: Troy Murphy).</p>

They tried to include him in several deals to make salaries match and it was essentially a deal-killer.</p>

</p>

</div></p>

that's why I'm combining him with Krstic, who theoretically has value, especially at his current salary.</p>

</p>

 

[ghoti]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

</div></p>

Collins is a salary dump. The Nets would have to compensate a team to take him or take back an even worse contract (example: Troy Murphy).</p>

They tried to include him in several deals to make salaries match and it was essentially a deal-killer.</p>

</p>

</div></p>

that's why I'm combining him with Krstic, who theoretically has value, especially at his current salary.</p>

</p>

</div></p>

Krstic is a tricky guy to trade.</p>

He is a good player who almost any team could use, but he's a free agent after the season.</p>

If you get him and he has an awesome season, now you are almost obligated to keep him and sign him to what is sure to be a risky contract.</p>

And that's the best case scenario.</p>

He's a player I would avoid trading anything valuable for this season.</p>

</p>

 

[fruitcake]

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>How does that help, really? I'm not protective of Boki and Marcus, but where are thy going to get a backup PG and a scorer off the bench from the SF/PF position at this point? Besides, RJ himself is a plus defender when healthy. I'd really prefer to trade Carter for Marion, and try to coax Kittles out of retirement.</div>

A Carter and Marion trade would work out best obviously--but why would the Suns even consider that if they are trying to save money?</p>

To be honest, I still don't see much out of Marcus Williams. He still looks like an easily replaceable point guard to me. I hope he proves me wrong. Besides, if we really need a PG with that trade--they can add Marcus Banks somehow--a little overpaid, but I wouldn't mind him ta all.</p>

We'd also get 1 or 2 more roster spots---we can get Allan Houston, or Jumaine Jones or even get Hassan Adams back.</p>

We wouldn't need much of a bench--we would have a much better starting lineup than Boston. Considering Marion plays like 42 min a game, Vince plays like 38--we only need a backup 2/3 (Antoine Wright) to play the 16 or so minutes that are left.</p>

The trade makes our team better. Maybe not in the long-term--but I still drool at the thought of having Kidd, Carter, Marion playing together. That would be sick.</p>

</p>

 

[Dumpy]

Re: Shawn Marion :

there are several teams with black holes at center, but they don't seem to have a mid-level PF that would make that sort of deal work. Given that Cleveland only has 12 players on their roster--two of which are unsigned--, and just three big men, a Krstic/Collins for Drew Gooden deal would seem to make sense, but Gooden doesn't achieve the aims I've articulated. Kaman would be intriguing--the Clippers have depth issues, and if Kaman doesn't bounce back from last season, his contract will be considered absolutely terrible. He would actually work financially. I suspect we wouldn't get David West. It's hard to imagine any other deal--PFs are either to highly paid or not paid enough to make that sort of deal work.</p>