Shooting at Reynolds High School

[Eastoff]

The longest running war in American history has only accounted for a few thousand deaths. That's not at all what I'm talking about.

Over 400,000 US servicemen died during WWII.

So the solution to less people dying in the US, is more people dying from the US?

 

[RR7]

Seriously being it's not a new problem. You said it wasn't happening back then and it was. Some were adults. Some now are adults. Why does revenge for getting punished at school somehow justify it? It was still a kid who felt wronged acting out in such a manner. Similar to kids today feeling wronged by their school, bullies, teachers, popular kids, whatever and shooting at them. This isn't some new phenomenon because we have 2 working parents and haven't gone to war. That's ridiculous.

 

[PapaG]

Horrible news. Thoughts are with the families of those affected.

 

[blue32]

Children are being raised by computers and televisions. Nobody can afford to stay at home, so there's an entire generation of latch-key kids who are lashing out for attention. They have no idea of responsibility or consequences.

Seriously, someone explain how magically now all of a sudden guns are this huge problem? We've had guns in this country for hundreds of years without a rash of school shootings. The problem is with the kids and with the parents raising the kids.

Pretty much this.

Repped.

Agree w/you on all points. To add, mental illness runs rampantly undiagnosed and most parents ignore any other signs because they are too busy. Now you see what happens. Numerous kids are just not equipped to handle issues, take accountability, and rationalize like normal human beings. Take the previous talking point, coupled with hormones from puberty, and shake in (if you'd like) chemicals from our food/water supply, add to that terrible parenting = recipe for disaster.

 

[MadeFromDust]

These nutjobs are making it hard on those of us who use and enjoy guns responsibly.

 

[Natebishop3]

So the solution to less people dying in the US, is more people dying from the US?

That's not really my point.

I said that kids do not have an appreciation for death. I have no idea what the solution is, because this seems to be a new problem. I think it starts with parents though. Just pay attention to your kids. Take an interest in what they're doing. How the hell are these kids planning these things without anyone knowing? How are they getting to the point where they think this is a good idea?

The shooting down in California, I heard the parents knew something was wrong and told the police. The police interviewed the kid and determined he wasn't a threat. I'm not sure what else you can do at that point, but at least those parents saw that something was very wrong with their kid.

 

[Eastoff]

Pretty much this.

Repped.

Agree w/you on all points. To add, mental illness runs rampantly undiagnosed and most parents ignore any other signs because they are too busy. Now you see what happens. Numerous kids are just not equipped to handle issues, take accountability, and rationalize like normal human beings. Take the previous talking point, coupled with hormones from puberty, and shake in (if you'd like) chemicals from our food/water supply, add to that terrible parenting = recipe for disaster.

Do you think Mental Illness is new? Haven't you heard of Joan of Ark? She lead a goddamn army because of her visions!

 

[Natebishop3]

Seriously being it's not a new problem. You said it wasn't happening back then and it was. Some were adults. Some now are adults. Why does revenge for getting punished at school somehow justify it? It was still a kid who felt wronged acting out in such a manner. Similar to kids today feeling wronged by their school, bullies, teachers, popular kids, whatever and shooting at them. This isn't some new phenomenon because we have 2 working parents and haven't gone to war. That's ridiculous.

Okay I took out all the accidents and adults. Focused entirely on students shooting teachers or other students. There were 8.

February 14, 1920: Durant, Oklahoma, At the Durant Normal School, teacher Albert McFarland, was shot and seriously wounded by one of his pupils.[97]

March 4, 1920: Cincinnati, Ohio, Student, Lawrence Angel, 14yrs old, shot his teacher Beatrice Conner through the arm for sending him to the principal's office.[99]

March 12, 1920: Newberry, South Carolina, William Scott, a student at the Helena colored school shot Henry Gray, another student.[100]

May 1, 1920: Summerville, Georgia, At the High School, student Alexander Potter, 15yrs old, fired six shots at his teacher, Prof. Ransom, but missed. Jackson was upset for a severe thrashing, and expulsion, went home to get his father's revolver, then returned to school for revenge. Potter was sentenced to 6 years at a reform school.[101]

November 4, 1920: Middlesboro, Kentucky, Prof. Barnes of Middlesboro high school was fatally shot by Adolphus Oaks, for whipping his sister the week before. Barnes had already submitted his resignation to the school board, after his students refused to go to class in protest over the whipping, and intended to leave the city that weekend. Oaks went to jail.[107]

March 3, 1922: Lubbock, Texas, After arguing with 15yr old Gladys Solomon, as they walked home from a B.Y.P.U. meeting Sunday night, Houston Upton, age 18, returned to her home and shot and killed her and her friend Nell Umberson, age 13, as they slept in bed. Houston then went to the Sunset school house and fatally shot himself in the chest. Houston was trying to brake up with Gladys that night, after dating for a year, and he wanted his ring back, but she would not give it to him.[112]

August 1, 1922: Cherokee County, Oklahoma, While a 5 kids where hanging out at the cuthouse of the Mount Zion school, two shots were fired by Bryant Hignight. One went wild, and the other entered young
Raymond Guin's head, killing him instantly. Three of the boys were questioned, but they all said it was an accident.[114]

February 15, 1927: Hempstead, New York, James O'Donnell, 18-year-old senior at Hempstead High School, shot himself to death on the stage in the school's auditorium. A suicide note stated that O'Donnell killed himself to lessen the financial burden on his family.[115]

Not one of these fits the current school shooting problem. They were almost all cases of one person being angry at another person and killing them. They weren't students going into the school and randomly shooting as many people as possible to take revenge. I still think this is a new problem, which needs to be examined further.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't know why Nate is getting so pissed. I was trained to use weapons of all kind in the military. It's my opinion that weapons should only be available to the military or police. That's how I feel. Blame the parents, blame the kids, blame whoever..... Just take the guns out of the equation and these kids wouldn't be dying is all I'm saying. This is the 74th school shooting in the US since the Sandy Hook shooting a couple years ago.


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[SlyPokerDog]

So were there three shooters or just one shooter?

The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i...igh_shooting_police_1.html#incart_maj-story-1

 

[Eastoff]

That's not really my point.

I said that kids do not have an appreciation for death. I have no idea what the solution is, because this seems to be a new problem. I think it starts with parents though. Just pay attention to your kids. Take an interest in what they're doing. How the hell are these kids planning these things without anyone knowing? How are they getting to the point where they think this is a good idea?

The shooting down in California, I heard the parents knew something was wrong and told the police. The police interviewed the kid and determined he wasn't a threat. I'm not sure what else you can do at that point, but at least those parents saw that something was very wrong with their kid.

In regard to your first topic, I think that is exactly your point, but you don't realize it. The only way for kids to value life, as far as I can tell based off your comments, is for there to be more death. Which defeats the point.

In regard to your next point, I would speculate the struggling economy is related. Parents might work longer hours, have more stress, and struggle for money. Contributing to a disconnect with their children.

Last point, I agree. It sounds like the only thing different, would be if one could force the kid into a mental institution for a three to six months.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i...igh_shooting_police_1.html#incart_maj-story-1

Wow. I wonder if this is normal at schools these days?

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know why Nate is getting so pissed. I was trained to use weapons of all kind in the military. It's my opinion that weapons should only be available to the military or police. That's how I feel. Blame the parents, blame the kids, blame whoever..... Just take the guns out of the equation and these kids wouldn't be dying is all I'm saying. This is the 74th school shooting in the US since the Sandy Hook shooting a couple years ago.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/us/milwaukee-suburb-tries-to-cope-with-slender-man-stabbing.html

At Horning Middle School last week, some girls painted cat whiskers on their faces with liquid eyeliner, in tribute to a fellow sixth grader who loved cats but who lay in a hospital recovering from 19 stab wounds that the authorities say were inflicted by two friends who had lured her into a park to kill her.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140606/NEWS/140609777

Two Liberty High School students were stabbed Friday morning when a fight broke out between two girls, village police and school officials said.

A 16-year-old female student is in custody. She is accused of using a pocket knife to stab another female student during a fight between the two, and then stabbing a 17-year-old male student who tried to break up the fight.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/0...ool-stabbing-suspect-waives-court-appearance/

A 16-year-old student charged with stabbing 20 fellow students and a security guard at his suburban Pittsburgh high school waived his right to a preliminary hearing Monday.

By waiving the hearing, which had been scheduled for Wednesday, Alex Hribal and his attorney acknowledge prosecutors have enough evidence for Hribal to stand trial.

Defense attorney Patrick Thomassey didn't immediately return messages for comment on the filing. But Thomassey has said he plans to ask a judge to move the case to juvenile court, where Hribal would face incarceration or probation only until he's 21.

 

[Eastoff]

Not one of these fits the current school shooting problem. They were almost all cases of one person being angry at another person and killing them. They weren't students going into the school and randomly shooting as many people as possible to take revenge. I still think this is a new problem, which needs to be examined further.

While they don't fit exactly the same way, they are still very similar. It is all about revenge. Yes these current ones are revenge against broader groups, but it's still someone who feels they were wronged and want vengeance.

 

[Sedatedfork]

The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i...igh_shooting_police_1.html#incart_maj-story-1

Thanks. The media jumping to conclusions involving school shootings is pretty rampant. The book Columbine by Dave Cullen is a very interesting read. Things we were told during the tragedy were fraught with inaccuracies.

 

[Eastoff]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/us/milwaukee-suburb-tries-to-cope-with-slender-man-stabbing.html



http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140606/NEWS/140609777



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/0...ool-stabbing-suspect-waives-court-appearance/

I see no deaths, but I'm a poor reader.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Chicago is a "gun free" city and has more shootings than any other city in America. Last I checked criminals don't obey laws.

 

[Natebishop3]

In regard to your first topic, I think that is exactly your point, but you don't realize it. The only way for kids to value life, as far as I can tell based off your comments, is for there to be more death. Which defeats the point.

In regard to your next point, I would speculate the struggling economy is related. Parents might work longer hours, have more stress, and struggle for money. Contributing to a disconnect with their children.

Last point, I agree. It sounds like the only thing different, would be if one could force the kid into a mental institution for a three to six months.

In regards to the economy, I think I commented on that in another post. When I was growing up there were only a few latch-key kids, and they were usually the ones who acted out in class. Now it seems like most families have both parents working because they can't afford to have anyone stay at home. It would be interesting to see how many more latch-key kids are in school today compared to twenty years ago.

 

[blue32]

I don't know why Nate is getting so pissed. I was trained to use weapons of all kind in the military. It's my opinion that weapons should only be available to the military or police. That's how I feel. Blame the parents, blame the kids, blame whoever..... Just take the guns out of the equation and these kids wouldn't be dying is all I'm saying. This is the 74th school shooting in the US since the Sandy Hook shooting a couple years ago.


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You don't get it You don't take guns away from the USA, because that is impossible. People will make guns, steal guns, import guns illegally, 3D print guns, etc, etc.

Didn't Adam Lanza get denied a gun due to a background check fail, but still stole a gun anyway?

Bad people will do bad things to get bad tools of destruction, regardless if they are made 'illegal'.

 

[barfo]

You don't get it You don't take guns away from the USA, because that is impossible. People will make guns, steal guns, import guns illegally, 3D print guns, etc, etc.

Didn't Adam Lanza get denied a gun due to a background check fail, but still stole a gun anyway?

Bad people will do bad things to get bad tools of destruction, regardless if they are made 'illegal'.

I guess there are more bad people in the US than in other countries.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

I see no deaths, but I'm a poor reader.

It still addresses the point that there's a serious problem with kids, and whether it's guns or knives, they're still trying to kill people. That they didn't succeed is only a miracle. That one girl was stabbed 19 times. Most people die from that.

 

[blue32]

Do you think Mental Illness is new? Haven't you heard of Joan of Ark? She lead a goddamn army because of her visions!

New no. But couple that with lackluster mental health care (and our inability to lock these people up), you have the problem. Knives, guns, whatever, it makes no difference.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess there are more bad people in the US than in other countries.

barfo

There are more people in the US than most countries, so yes, by proxy there would be more bad people.

 

[blue32]

I guess there are more bad people in the US than in other countries.

barfo

That could be true honestly. Or we could be poisoning our citizens w/our food supply exasperating the mental health crisis that plagues this country. Or, maybe there are shootings like this in other countries but they just don't get the media attention?

Either way, banning guns from the USA, won't stop the criminals and crazies. Do you think it would?

 

[Eastoff]

In regards to the economy, I think I commented on that in another post. When I was growing up there were only a few latch-key kids, and they were usually the ones who acted out in class. Now it seems like most families have both parents working because they can't afford to have anyone stay at home. It would be interesting to see how many more latch-key kids are in school today compared to twenty years ago.

count me on the list.

 

[Eastoff]

Back on topic
The gunman wounded a teacher, then was trapped in a bathroom.
The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.
A 14-year-old boy who was in the gym said he heard a loud noise. He and his friends thought something had fallen. It was a gunshot.

 

[Natebishop3]

Back on topic
The gunman wounded a teacher, then was trapped in a bathroom.
The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.
A 14-year-old boy who was in the gym said he heard a loud noise. He and his friends thought something had fallen. It was a gunshot.

Bummer for the two kids who were carrying. They're pretty much fucked.

 

[Eastoff]

That could be true honestly. Or we could be poisoning our citizens w/our food supply exasperating the mental health crisis that plagues this country. Or, maybe there are shootings like this in other countries but they just don't get the media attention?

Either way, banning guns from the USA, won't stop the criminals and crazies. Do you think it would?

Serious question, do you eat strictly organic?

 

[Eastoff]

Bummer for the two kids who were carrying. They're pretty much fucked.

WTF man? They are under 18 and carrying a gun. They should be fucked!

 

[MadeFromDust]