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Well, then let's just forget about them. Obviously they aren't worth discussing.

barfo

If you want to prevent them, you're better off looking at Asperger's and Violence rather than gun control laws.
 
If you want to prevent them, you're better off looking at Asperger's and Violence rather than gun control laws.

So why'd ya bring up race?

barfo
 
So why'd ya bring up race?

barfo

Because we're talking about several different issues in this thread.

1. Mass shootings- is gun control the answer: NO, its a mental health issue.
2. Gun violence in America being out of control- is gun control the answer: NO, look at races and ethnicities
3. Gun violence in America vs. the World- Again, look at the races and ethnicities to see patterns, not the gun laws.
 
Because we're talking about several different issues in this thread.

1. Mass shootings- is gun control the answer: NO, its a mental health issue.

We know what the problem is, obviously the shooters are loose in the head.

That doesn't tell us what the answer is, nor does it rule out gun control as an answer or a partial answer.

It's not enough to say 'well, it's mental health'. That doesn't solve the problem.

barfo
 
We know what the problem is, obviously the shooters are loose in the head.

That doesn't tell us what the answer is, nor does it rule out gun control as an answer or a partial answer.

It's not enough to say 'well, it's mental health'. That doesn't solve the problem.

barfo

When 99% of the focus is on gun control rather than looking at mental health issues (which is almost purposefully ignored), then that definitely doesn't solve the problem.
 
When 99% of the focus is on gun control rather than looking at mental health issues (which is almost purposefully ignored), then that definitely doesn't solve the problem.

What would you like to do about mental health? How would President El Presidente go about solving this problem?

barfo
 
What would you like to do about mental health? How would President El Presidente go about solving this problem?

barfo

Advocacy programs about the potential negative tendencies of people with Aspergers would be a start. That's if you want to bring more awareness to these types of shooters and anti-social behavior. Face it, a lot of these problems are the fault of the parents who are in denial and feel that their kids are "normal" when they have huge issues controlling their emotions. Its an issue of complete and total neglect.

In today's world, there is a huge movement to treat people with Autism with white gloves. A lot of them have serious mental issues and rage/control problems which should be recognized, diagnosed and treated.
 
These mass shootings are all outliers. Their effect on net gun homicide deaths in the country probably not even measurable. Psychologically, they are more damaging BECAUSE they happen in white communities, because its something that is very uncommon and is unexpected. They are carried out by mentally ill people, people who deviate from the normal behavior of those of their race/ethnicity, whereas most of the homicides from ethnic groups are cultural in nature and can be predicted, as shown by worldwide patterns and by the ethnic makeup of a community and their crime statistics.

There's no such thing as this...
 
There's no such thing as this...

Human behavior is predictable in the absence of mental illness. People are conditioned by their surroundings, the culture they grew up around and their racial and ethnic background. Sure, there are small variations but its possible to make very broad statements and have them be fairly accurate.
 
Recognize that there may be some of these tendencies with autistic kids.

How will talking about reagan do this?

sent from a phone you've probably never heard of

So now you're going to just make shit up as you go along? There has never been any correlation with Aspergers, autism, and violence. Most mentally ill people are the victims of violence.
 
Human behavior is predictable in the absence of mental illness. People are conditioned by their surroundings, the culture they grew up around and their racial and ethnic background. Sure, there are small variations but its possible to make very broad statements and have them be fairly accurate.

Well I guess all black people love watermelon then... Jesus...
 
So now you're going to just make shit up as you go along? There has never been any correlation with Aspergers, autism, and violence. Most mentally ill people are the victims of violence.

There is no correlation because society CHOOSES to ignore it.

With these mass shootings involving young males, many of them who are in the news have Aspergers.
Roseburg shooter
Elliot Rogers.
James Holmes.
Suing Hui Choi (VA Tech Shooter)

And god knows who else. Many may not even have been diagnosed.
 
I guess Adam Lanza too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-had-neurological-disorders-including-autism/

Even before Adam Lanza was a teenager, it was clear something was very wrong. “The social awkwardness, the uncomfortable anxiety, unable to sleep, stress, unable to concentrate, having a hard time learning, the awkward walk, reduced eye contact,” his father said. “You could see the changes occurring.”

When he was 13, he was diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome which, according to the American Psychiatric Association, falls under the broad umbrella of autism spectrum disorder. His parents, Peter and Nancy, were relieved.

They finally knew what was wrong with their shy, diffident son who would one day shoot and kill 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. “It was communicated as ‘Adam, this is good news,'” Peter Lanza told the New Yorker. “This is why you feel this way, and now we can do something about it. ”

After Sandy Hook, Adam Lanza’s autism sparked a fiery debate that still burns today. Drawing any direct causality between his condition and the killings remains controversial. “To imply or suggest that some linkage exists is wrong and is harmful to more than 1.5 million law-abiding, nonviolent and wonderful individuals who live with autism every day,” the Autism Society said in a statement.

A new study in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior will likely fuel the debate even more. It found some mass murderers and serial killers have something in common: autism and head injury. Like Lanza, other killers had an inability to connect socially, spoke in flat monotones, and had emotionless features.

Researchers call it the first review of published accounts of what causes people to commit mass murder. They said: “Our findings tentatively indicate that these extreme forms of violence may be a result of a highly complex interaction of biological, psychological and sociological factors and that, potentially, a significant proportion of mass or serial killers may have had neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism spectrum disorder or head injury.”

The researchers stressed the study is “clearly limited” by the “anecdotal and speculative” nature of some of the published accounts. Lead researcher Clare Allely, of the University of Glasgow, emphasized the study did not suggest those with autism or Asperger’s are more likely to commit murder. “We’re not saying people with autism will be serial killers,” Allely said, adding “it’s way too early to make any statement like that.”

The director of the United Kingdom’s National Autistic Society’s Centre for Autism reacted to the study with caution. “We would urge people not to jump to conclusions about people with autism and to make judgements about a whole section of society,” Carol Povey told the Independent. “This and previous research shows that the vast majority of individuals with autism are law abiding and respect the rules of society. Indeed, in many cases, individuals with autism are unusually concerned to keep the letter of the law, due to the nature of the disability.

Calling such studies “vital,” she added: “This research reaffirms the importance of ensuring that people with autism get the support they need as early as possible.”
 
Columbine, Colorado is 94% white. Newtown, CT is 95% white.

barfo

Columbine is 87% white.

Census figures count all latinos and hispanics and caucasians together as "White alone", which is a lie and a racist slur.

Then at the bottom they show caucasians by themselves in a group labelled "White alone", not Hispanic or Latino.

Odd that asians aren't called yellows and hispanics browns and indians reds, but it's okay to call me "a white" while throwing all the browns and some blacks into the "White alone" group.

This deceptive and purposely misleading language is employed to hide the illegal hispanic population.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/08/0816110.html
 
Now that y'all want to start talking about race I'm going to get the fuck out of this thread...

When only 2 races commit the vast majority of all murders in the world and all the other races combined commit very few in comparison, race is the obvious point of discussion.

Any true gun-control advocate would demand that all dark-skinned people be denied any opportunity to own weapons of any kind.
 
What you're proposing is crazy. Pin intended. I'll take the Kennedy solution that was never funded.

See? Socialists think anyone or anything not socialist is crazy. You prove my point.

It gets worse because the socialists end up believing the only way to install socialism is to murder all the capitalists.
 
See? Socialists think anyone or anything not socialist is crazy. You prove my point.

It gets worse because the socialists end up believing the only way to install socialism is to murder all the capitalists.

Bernie Sanders is a self proclaimed Democratic Socialist. He has voted AGAINST suing firearms manufacturers. You need to stop telling us socialists what to think... Because you really don't know.
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2015/10/gunman_in_oregon_college_shoot.html

I have seen elsewhere that reports of some are that regardless of the answer about faith, the person was still shot in the same way as those that said they were Christian.

some Christians really want to own the persecution complex of this tragedy and others. Its feeds their natural fear of the world and reaffirms that THEY are in fact the most persecuted people. Its just an exercise in self centered, self righteousness though. The world is flat and it revolves around me.
 
For all you Christians clamoring about being discriminated against... Most terrorist acts done in this country are done by White Male Christians. See Timothy McVey...
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2015/10/gunman_in_oregon_college_shoot.html

I have seen elsewhere that reports of some are that regardless of the answer about faith, the person was still shot in the same way as those that said they were Christian.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/


A Twitter user named @bodhilooney, who said her grandmother was at the scene of the carnage, tweeted that if victims said they were Christian, “then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn’t answer, they were shot in the legs.”

Gunman Chris Harper-Mercer’s disdain for religion was evident in an online profile, in which he became a member of a “doesn’t like organized religion” group on an Internet dating site.
 

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