Shooting at Umpqua Community College: 10 dead

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The issue in murder is the intent more than the means...whether a bomb or poison or bullet...why do young people murder at all and especially in places like movie theaters, churches, schools or shopping malls. Why can someone have enough ammo to kill that many people? In this case...no ammo, guns are usless..
 
riverman said:
The issue in murder is the intent more than the means...whether a bomb or poison or bullet...why do young people murder at all and especially in places like movie theaters, churches, schools or shopping malls. Why can someone have enough ammo to kill that many people? In this case...no ammo, guns are usless..
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Attention.

Supposedly he said that this is his only chance at getting noticed. That he feels irrelevant or some such nonsense.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How does this in any way, shape, or form prevent the school shootings that have happened in recent memory? The Clackamas Town Center guy stole his friend's AR-15. The Reynolds High School shooter stole his brother's AR-15. This kid today supposedly had 3 handguns, yet he was only 20 years old. Not one of those three shootings were people who legally acquired the weapon. Two of them were with weapons that were legally acquired by an adult and then stolen by a child. Having a registry would not prevent any of that from happening.
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Airbags don't stop all vehicle accident deaths, therefor airbags don't work and car makers shouldn't be required to have them.

Yes, gun laws won't stop all crimes. That is 100% true. But if we can stop some of them? If we can make the crimes that do happen easier to solve and easier to hold people responsible who facilitated or allowed them to happen?

You said you've never seen a plan, I just showed you one. You may not agree with it but it's a starting point, a place to have legitimate discussions from.
 
Local news reporters are visibly shaken with this story..
 
Natebishop3 said:
I am, however, in favor of a required class to purchase and own a firearm. It's a required step to acquire a CHL, and I think all owners should have to go through that class. From that point, if you attempt to purchase a gun without the certification, you will be denied. If you are caught in public with a firearm and without a certification, you will be charged and fined. If you lend your weapon to a friend/family member who does not possess a certification, and they are caught, you will be charged and fined. That's what I would propose. Force people to go through a class on safety and proper ownership.

We already have background checks. We already have laws about gun shows. They don't work. They haven't stopped any of these shootings. Registering the guns would have a similar effect. We need to start holding the original owners accountable (if they're still alive) and we need to make people actually exert some effort in order to buy and own a gun.
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I agree with a lot of that.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Airbags don't stop all vehicle accident deaths, therefor airbags don't work and car makers shouldn't be required to have them.

Yes, gun laws won't stop all crimes. That is 100% true. But if we can stop of them? If we can make the crimes that do happen easier to solve and easier to hold people responsible who facilitated or allowed them to happen?

You said you've never seen a plan, I just showed you one. You may not agree with it but it's a starting point, a place to have legitimate discussions from.
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If the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to prevent a tyrannical government from controlling the populace, I can tell you that registering all the guns would be completely counter to that thought. Registering the guns is the first step towards public disarmament.
 
Denny Crane said:
I was pointing to the fallacy about using "violent crime" statistics. The vast majority of those have nothing to do with guns.

It also looks like murders dropped after the supreme court overturned Chicago's gun ban law.
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And how you feel about gun bans
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
It's at least a start. Unfortunately, the gun lobby and knee jerk gun owners (who will remain anonymous) will insure this either never happens or is so watered down as to be completely useless.
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The voters of Oregon and Washington have both recently passed enhanced gun laws. I'm fine with letting the citizens of each state deciding what is best for them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to prevent a tyrannical government from controlling the populace, I can tell you that registering all the guns would be completely counter to that thought. Registering the guns is the first step towards public disarmament.
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Exactly!
 
Nikolokolus said:
Chrissakes Mags. You're so fucking tone deaf.

Let people be sad and horrified and grieve a bit without all of your typical political grandstanding for once. Fuck.
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If you want your guns, you can keep your guns
 
Natebishop3 said:
If the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to prevent a tyrannical government from controlling the populace, I can tell you that registering all the guns would be completely counter to that thought. Registering the guns is the first step towards public disarmament.
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Again, we have stricter laws on the sale, registration and buying of motor vehicles. That doesn't mean the government wants to discar us.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to prevent a tyrannical government from controlling the populace, I can tell you that registering all the guns would be completely counter to that thought. Registering the guns is the first step towards public disarmament.
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How do you see this public disarmament going down? Army? Door to door?
 
they will probably buy all the poor peoples guns.
 
Umpqua Community College, however, was not a gun free zone. A 2011, state court decision prohibited public colleges from banning guns on campus. The decision stemmed from a suit filed by the Oregon Firearm Education Foundation, a gun rights group. There was an effort to pass a new law to reinstate the ability of public colleges to ban guns. That measure was defeated by gun rights advocates.

I stand corrected....
 
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