Shot across the Blazers bow? (tampering)

[Haakzilla]

NOW Stern wants to crack down on tampering. Month late don't you think?

...only a month?!

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Wasn't it Clyde Drexler who was attempting to coerce Hakeem into stating he'd only sign with Portland, who was picking number 2 in the draft? And later Portland was found guilty of tampering, fined....and forced to then select Jordon (oops!) I mean Sam Bowie!

Double ouch!

 

[THE HCP]

...only a month?!

LeBron/Wade/Bosh secret meetings

 

[ehizzy3]

I'm sure they didn't speak about it until the second the free agent window opened.


Edit: So it's been discussed. And you agreed that it probably DID happen.

You're like this one friend of mine. Someone in the group will ask the rest of the group "What time is it?". Someone will answer "It's 4:45." BUT this one friend of mine will always correct them "Actually it's 4:43."


It kind of pisses everyone off. Even though he's correct.

kind of like how it's spelled dwyane wade?

 

[OddEnormous]

I was just trying to point out that, in terms of tampering allegations, there's a pretty significant difference between the CP3 situation and the Heat signing a bunch of free agents.

That's only your opinion.

Wade recruiting those guys while under contract is tampering. It doesn't matter if you think it's not as bad.

 

[jlprk]

The difference between our Darius Miles warning and the Chris Paul letter is that the Hornets went to Stern and got the Big Guy on their side. They got him to write the letter, so that it carries some authority. That's what Pritchard should have done.

 

[crandc]

What's the difference? Or do you believe that they really only started talking about this once they became official FA's in June? I mean do you really believe that when there were absolute boatloads of rumors about their "plan" after Beijing?

I don't for a minute believe they never talked until July 1. But it's probably pretty hard to prove what happened in a private conversation in a restaurant or hotel room. The Joe Smith situation was a provable violation.

 

[e_blazer]

That's only your opinion.

Wade recruiting those guys while under contract is tampering. It doesn't matter if you think it's not as bad.

It seems to be David Stern's opinion as well since he sent out the memo against tampering to teams involved in the CP3 issue, but said nothing about Dwyane Wade and his buddies' alleged conversations.

 

[OddEnormous]

It seems to be David Stern's opinion as well since he sent out the memo against tampering to teams involved in the CP3 issue, but said nothing about Dwyane Wade and his buddies' alleged conversations.

Jesus Christ.

:shakeshead:

 

[Idog1976]

I don't for a minute believe they never talked until July 1. But it's probably pretty hard to prove what happened in a private conversation in a restaurant or hotel room. The Joe Smith situation was a provable violation.

I'm not comparing this to Joe Smith. I'm comparing Wade/Bosh/LBJ to the CP3 scenario. I don't believe for a second the former weren't meeting repeatedly even during and after Beijing. There were sooooo many rumors and then it happened. Seems a bit too convenient. If Stern wanted to stop it he could have issued this memorandum many moons ago. He didn't, so the conclusion is he WANTED them together and also he does NOT want CP3 to go, or at the very least one can speculate not to certain teams.

 

[Idog1976]

It seems to be David Stern's opinion as well since he sent out the memo against tampering to teams involved in the CP3 issue, but said nothing about Dwyane Wade and his buddies' alleged conversations.

I wonder why that is. HMMMMMM, I'm sure it's in the interest of fairness and not say increased revenue. Again to sum up, fuck that little evil midget Stern. He's only 68 too so his corrupt ass could run this league for another decade maybe more. I keep hoping, praying that something happens so they oust that bastard I hate what he has done to this sport. Before people talk about how great the league has been under him, I submit the league was great due to the stars and teams all Stern did is Tilt the game in favor of the stars and to this observer big market teams (for the love of god don't trot out San Antonio). Not an improvement at ALL.

The one improvement Stern did was getting hard drugs out of the league although that was happening on its own due to cultural shifts in the country.

 

[e_blazer]

Look, it's a clear case of tampering for teams to have conversations with players under contract (or with their representatives) with the intent of trying to get that player to push for a trade. It's not tampering for players or teams to talk to another player during free agency. Did Wade, LeBron, and Bosh talk before they were free agents about possibly teaming up this summer and, if so, was it tampering? Was it tampering for Chris Paul to say that maybe he'd like to have his own Big Three in New York in a couple of years? That's a pretty gray area as there's no specific intent to get a player to do something prior to being a free agent. I don't see the league having any interest in running around and fining every player who has a conversation about wouldn't it be really cool to play together with a buddy in the future. But, yes, that's just my opinion. [strike]Enjoy your conspiracy theories and yet another, "Oh dear, the league is picking on poor Portland again", moment.[/strike]

 

[Idog1976]

Look, it's a clear case of tampering for teams to have conversations with players under contract (or with their representatives) with the intent of trying to get that player to push for a trade. It's not tampering for players or teams to talk to another player during free agency. Did Wade, LeBron, and Bosh talk before they were free agents about possibly teaming up this summer and, if so, was it tampering? Was it tampering for Chris Paul to say that maybe he'd like to have his own Big Three in New York in a couple of years? That's a pretty gray area as there's no specific intent to get a player to do something prior to being a free agent. I don't see the league having any interest in running around and fining every player who has a conversation about wouldn't it be really cool to play together with a buddy in the future. But, yes, that's just my opinion. Enjoy your conspiracy theories and yet another, "Oh dear, the league is picking on poor Portland again", moment.

Was that really necessary? Also its not JUST Portland what about Cleveland getting fucked? What about Toronto? The league fucked them too. So Enjoy your blind faux objectivism. I suppose you think all politics is on the up and up and some hateful anti-corporate types just set up Enron. People like you blow me away. Enjoy getting fleeced repeatedly in life because you couldn't sense the scam in a game of 3 card monte on the New York Subway. Enjoy the blinders and your nice leisurely sail down De Nile.

 

[e_blazer]

Was that really necessary? Also its not JUST Portland what about Cleveland getting fucked? What about Toronto? The league fucked them too. So Enjoy your blind faux objectivism. I suppose you think all politics is on the up and up and some hateful anti-corporate types just set up Enron. People like you blow me away. Enjoy getting fleeced repeatedly in life because you couldn't sense the scam in a game of 3 card monte on the New York Subway. Enjoy the blinders and your nice leisurely sail down De Nile.

Nope. It wasn't necessary and it did nothing to support my position. Sorry about that...heat of the moment stupidity, as is, I'm guessing, your response above.

 

[BGrantFan]

The difference between our Darius Miles warning and the Chris Paul letter is that the Hornets went to Stern and got the Big Guy on their side. They got him to write the letter, so that it carries some authority. That's what Pritchard should have done.

So, are you saying that Pritchard should have gone behind Larry Miller's back, since Pritchard didn't actually author the email?

 

[Idog1976]

Nope. It wasn't necessary and it did nothing to support my position. Sorry about that...heat of the moment stupidity, as is, I'm guessing, your response above.

Yes, you're right I also apologize. There isn't more corruption today then in the past, just greater flow of information. The conspiracy ad hominem is one of my least favorites as it was thrown my way repeatedly for about 13 years now. A huge amount of the time at least 80% I ended up being right. Anyways, it doesn't matter I just hate that one because it's kind of dumb really. Conspiracy happens every day hence laws like conspiracy to commit X.

I apologize I like your posts 95% of the time FWIW.

 

[Idog1976]

BTW, I wasn't meaning your specific use of conspiracy just that it's a lazy response generally speaking. I see it thrown out all the time when people point to corruption in politics or corporations often the "wingnut" is vindicated.