Politics Should schools teach Critical Race Theory?

[Lanny]

Now how can a White Christian be uncomfortable with Trump?

Just his voice or face or hand gestures turn my stomach.

 

[Lanny]

Black women, of all educational levels and all socioeconomic levels, have higher maternal and infant mortality than comparable white women, something so called pro life conveniently ignores. Black people are more likely to be poor, more likely to live in substandard housing, more likely to attend underfunded schools, have less access to health care, and are more likely to live in heavily polluted neighborhoods. Black students, boys and girls, are more likely to be suspended from school for infractions for which white students typically receive detention. Black people, youth and adults, are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be killed in the process, more likely to be criminally charged, more likely to be convicted, more likely to be sentenced to prison, and receive longer prison terms than white people committing comparable crimes.

The authors @ABM cited who talk about crime and absent fathers with no context are copouts and sellouts. They are writing for white people, telling whites they are responsible Negroes*, not like those Black Lives Matter protesters. They whitewash Martin Luther King into some benevolent goo who didn't oppose racism or even believe it exists.

Two options. The situations of Black Americans are the result of systemic racism. Or they are simply inferior to whites, innately inclined to violence and sexual irresponsibility. Not like good Christian white people like Bret Kavanaugh, Roy Moore, Madison Cawthorne, Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump...

And since more and more states are prohibiting saying systemic racism, what is conclusion?

*Some years ago, Rosie O'Donnell appeared on serial sexual abuser Bill O'Reilly's TV program explaining she was one of the responsible gay people, not like the flamboyant queers and activists in the streets. Ms. O'Donnell only has civil rights because of flamboyant queers and activists in streets.

Well put.

 

[ABM]

Black women, of all educational levels and all socioeconomic levels, have higher maternal and infant mortality than comparable white women, something so called pro life conveniently ignores. Black people are more likely to be poor, more likely to live in substandard housing, more likely to attend underfunded schools, have less access to health care, and are more likely to live in heavily polluted neighborhoods. Black students, boys and girls, are more likely to be suspended from school for infractions for which white students typically receive detention. Black people, youth and adults, are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be killed in the process, more likely to be criminally charged, more likely to be convicted, more likely to be sentenced to prison, and receive longer prison terms than white people committing comparable crimes.

That's where the critical focus should be. It's exactly why I've cited such organizations such as The Woodson Center and Voices of Black Mothers United, just to name a couple.

https://woodsoncenter.org/

https://www.voicesofblackmothers.com/about/

These are efforts being made at the ground level......where it counts the most.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[crandc]

What charities can do is limited. They can help a few. They can't undo systemic racism, especially when they deny it exists, like all @ABM recommended writers do, as does Woodson Center, who produced whitewashed version of history at Trump's demand. Although he of course didn't read it.

Texas has put open white supremacist in charge of revising their social studies program.

Tennessee county tried to defend banning Maus by referring to violence and suicide in the book. If you must talk about Nazi Holocaust, don't make it sound unpleasant.

 

[crandc]

Not related to fake critical race theory hysteria, but Texas schools banned a book by Congressman Jamie Raskin on constitutional rights of students. Subversive!

 

[ABM]

What charities can do is limited. They can help a few.

Sure, go ahead and downplay what these organizations are actually doing. Keep it up on your soapbox and bang, bang, bang.

 

[crandc]

I am not downplaying. They "responded" to carefully researched and documented 1619 Project with Trump ordered 1776 Project, not written by any historian, thrown together in a month, to satisfy executive order. Full of good white people and happy darkies. And they think you can pray away the gay.
ABM, do you think systemic racism exists or not? Was the US founded, not just on professed high ideals, but on racism and slavery? Or are conditions of Black Americans to this day because they make bad choices, ones smarter white people don't?

 

[ABM]

ABM, do you think systemic racism exists or not?

I've heard many definitions of that. What's yours?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[crandc]

I've heard many definitions of that. What's yours?

It means racial discrimination is not simply the result of personal prejudice or bad people but is built into a social and economic system. In the US, the country was founded on slavery. Slavery has existed long before but slaves were in older societies captured in war, etc. They were not considered inherently, racially, inferior. In order to reconcile African slavery with the supposed teaching of Christianity, a whole racial mythology of inferiority of some (those not white European) to others had to be developed. This had to be codified into law and into social consciousness. I am giving a VERY abbreviated treatment, of course. But the bans on "critical race theory", which again is not taught in primary or high school anywhere, often explicitly state it is forbidden to teach racism as social construct. Only can talk about individual bad people. But not too much because it might upset someone.

You know, people ask you questions and you change subject.
Again, is racism embedded in US (and other) society, systematically, structurally, and beyond individual bad people?
Is the status of Black people in the US systemic and structural? If not, how do you explain it? Because as I said there are two explanations. Either systemic racial discrimination or racial inferiority.

 

[Lanny]

I've heard many definitions of that. What's yours?

What are some of those definitions? I too have seen more than one definitions none of which makes sense except teaching history, even painful history, the way it actually happened. The other definitions are so obscure that I don't even remember them. I try not to remember nonsense, what would be the sense in trying to remember nonsense? I'm sure fact check would remember a lot of nonsense but I let other very credible sources do the bulk of my fact checking since there's so much of the God damn stuff.

 

[crandc]

The "nudity" in Maus Tennessee objected to? Author's mother committed suicide in the bathtub.
Yeah, real sexy.

 

[Lanny]

The "nudity" in Maus Tennessee objected to? Author's mother committed suicide in the bathtub.
Yeah, real sexy.

Somebody in Tennessee has the hots for having sex with a dead corpse, I presume.

 

[ABM]

Again, is racism embedded in US (and other) society, systematically, structurally, and beyond individual bad people?
Is the status of Black people in the US systemic and structural?

Thanks for your responses.

To answer your question, sure it is. The better question might be, thought, how do we find our way out? As I've mentioned many times in here, investing at the ground level - financially and physically - seems to me to be the best approach. People can debate all they want about school curriculums, etc., who's responsible for the situations we find ourselves in, etc. I choose to take a different path. We won't change each other's minds in here. Just won't.

 

[Lanny]

Thanks for your responses.

To answer your question, sure it is. The better question might be, thought, how do we find our way out? As I've mentioned many times in here, investing at the ground level - financially and physically - seems to me to be the best approach. People can debate all they want about school curriculums, etc., who's responsible for the situations we find ourselves in, etc. I choose to take a different path. We won't change each other's minds in here. Just won't.

Half the fun of being in here is thinking this post of mine is finally the one to get through to the other guy. If you don't get him with this post then surely you'll get him with the next post. Ah, to daydream.

 

[crandc]

Candace Owens claims the moon landing was faked. Also vaccines are the mark of the beast.
So few Black Trumpers, and damn nearly all are nut cases, abusers, or both.

 

[crandc]

From The Sisters of Auschwitz

The triple beds in their barracks are merely shelving units for stacking people. Each layer is designed for two but because the camp is overcrowded, five to ix women are lying sideways on each shelf. This adds up to eighteen shivering bodies per bed. If they are lucky, there is some straw, but often it is just the dangerously creaking wood, a sliver of a blanket, and their own hands to serve as a pillow.

The tossing and turning at night is unbearable. The bony buttocks of a stranger against your belly, always a mouthful of sores and blisters breathing in your face, the constant coughing, the crying of those who have failed to keep the though of their children at bay. Your nose in the flaky crown of your neighbor, a knee in your back, someone else's festering wound brushing your skin. Someone is trying to pry open your hand and get hold of your valuables. A woman above you is sick and lets everything go, another one is delirious, a third becomes aggressive.

But all discomfort pales in comparison to the itching. The maddening itching, creeping underneath you skin, crawling up your towards your brain. It never stops...more people in the camp lose their mind as a result of the itch than because of all other hardships combined. The lice, fleas, bedbugs and other creatures are everywhere; in their clothes, on their head, on their eyelashes, between their toes, under their armpits and in their crotch. Dozens, hundreds of minuscule bites all over their body, every minute, every second, in the morning, the afternoon, the evening, at night. During roll call, in the shithouse, on their beds. The bus are so small and they are so many that it seems an invisible army is eating them alive - it drives people mad. Entire strips of skin are ripped off with fingernails, teeth, or sharp bits of metal. Skulls are scratched open and people walk around with sores on their head, which slowly work their way inside.

Did that make you uncomfortable? I damn well hope so.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Just his voice or face or hand gestures turn my stomach.

I’d be interested to see what would happen if local white people (Lanny of LO or UCD of Wilsonville) went to our local schools and libraries and told them that anything written by or about Trump (or Republicans in general) makes us uncomfortable (or that we don’t want that crap taught to our children/grandchildren). And then we demand anything that references him/them be removed from our libraries. It’s censorship, plain and simple but it would certainly send a message to the buttcrack states that the game can be played multiple ways……and makes just as much “sense”………

 

[crandc]

A Texas Karen is trying to get a children's biography of Michele Obama removed from school library because it mentions racism and Ms. Obama said mean things about Trump.

 

[ABM]

Film @ 11.

 

[Shaboid]

School Calendar Jumps To March 1 After Critical Race Theory Ban Prohibits Month Of February

 

[crandc]

Irate white parent wants Dallas school board to ban biography of Olympic athlete Wilma Rudolph because it discussed racism she faced growing up in the 1940s. You can only show nice white people. And to prove how nice they are, they scream at and threaten teachers and school boards.

 

[crandc]

A third of public school students are now in districts where it is forbidden to teach anything that makes white people uncomfortable.

The students are not so fragile. They want to know. Middle school students are forming book clubs to read books banned by schools. Maus sales are soaring. But while commendable, their initiatives can't make up for school boards acting to keep them ignorant.

 

[ABM]

The results are in!

https://1776unites.com/essays/johns...rriculum/?mc_cid=b13f4d150b&mc_eid=b9ab41824f

We’re pleased to announce that our 1776 Unites curriculum has received top scores from the Johns Hopkins Institute for Education Policy! The evaluation measures for critical thinking, diversity of perspectives, strength of coverage, and coherency; it also measures the knowledge a curriculum reinforces in students, and maps which topics are covered fully, sparsely, or are excluded. View the full report here.

The same evaluation performed on the 1619 Project concluded that “there simply aren’t enough materials to occupy even one grade of instruction” as well as “a concurrent weakness, namely the unit’s lack of dissenting or even affiliate voices.” They described the 1619 Project as “monistic.” That is some contrast with our curriculum!

 

[crandc]

Results are not in. Some right wing web site connected you to an organization I bet you never heard of before and know nothing about.
Read 1619 Project before you slam it. Or would it make you too uncomfortable?

 

[ABM]

Results are not in. Some right wing web site connected you to an organization I bet you never heard of before and know nothing about.
Read 1619 Project before you slam it. Or would it make you too uncomfortable?

It's pretty much left wing tripe initiated thru the NYT. Joys.

 

[Lanny]

It's pretty much left wing tripe initiated thru the NYT. Joys.

The New York Times has been awarded twice as many Pulitzers as second place Washington Post. They're pretty solid.

 

[ABM]

The New York Times has been awarded twice as many Pulitzers as second place Washington Post. They're pretty solid.

It's a tight little group there.

 

[Chris Craig]

School Calendar Jumps To March 1 After Critical Race Theory Ban Prohibits Month Of February

You didn't hear, February is white history month now