Politics Should schools teach Critical Race Theory?

[Lanny]

Some folks claim that Critical Race Theory - in and of itself - is racist. The jury's out for me. But, the entire concept appears to be divisive. At any rate, I think I'll just go back to being like Lanny and call it Cathode Ray Tube.

As crandc already explained multiple times it is something taught in law school which tells me what's the big deal?
But if it is what I think it is and that's just the telling of our true history regarding the evils of slavery and it's consequences then yes, history should be taught.

 

[crandc]

Here's a critical race debate...how the hell do white congress members and senators from the republican party explain wearing a yellow star of David the Nazi's passed around in WWII to protest a public safety mask mandate? Should our children be exposed to this behavior or is it like white people wearing blackface as entertainers?

Worse.
They are comparing efforts to stop spread of a virus to mass murder. They are ridiculing the Holocaust. White supremacists claiming to be victims.

 

[Lanny]

You mean like with finger puppets? A Dr Suess special? It's the Civil War, lol. Not sure how you want to deliver that.

I want, no, demand that mine be delivered on a silver platter, dammit!

 

[Lanny]

There's hate of all types out there.

Sly posted some of the worst and now threatening our nation under the guise of Trump and his cult.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I figured you'd ask tlong first what he means, but I see he responded. Intent is a big factor in all of that.

Intent to do what exactly? To make sure the confederacy comes off looking nice?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Hey, good news @ABM - your book-burning is catching on!

 

[crandc]

The proposed Texas law makes it a crime to make white students uncomfortable.

 

[ABM]

The discourse is hearty. I found this to be an informative article. The point being that, indeed, CRT is being discussed as it relates to K-12 education and simply confined to higher education and legal circles.

https://www.theday.com/article/20210619/NWS01/210619347

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You hate to see it...

 

[julius]

You hate to see it...

He's not supposed to admit it! Someone report him to Hillary!

 

[tlongII]

You mean like with finger puppets? A Dr Suess special? It's the Civil War, lol. Not sure how you want to deliver that.

It’s not just the civil war.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Hey @ABM, more good news! Thanks to alert justice warriors like yourself, teachers are getting fired for (check notes) having the class read Ta-Nehisi Coats essays! What a blow for glorious freedom and societal togetherness!

https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/sul...l-board-meeting-tuesday-supporters-to-gather/

 

[Rastapopoulos]

More:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Great to see Republicans focusing on what really matters, in these times of pandemics, lethal heatwaves and floods and buildings falling into the sea. How we'll venerate these culture warriors from our underground bunkers when the Earth is uninhabitable in 30 years. You know, the way we venerate McCarthy today.

 

[julius]

Great to see Republicans focusing on what really matters, in these times of pandemics, lethal heatwaves and floods and buildings falling into the sea. How we'll venerate these culture warriors from our underground bunkers when the Earth is uninhabitable in 30 years. You know, the way we venerate McCarthy today.

That's their M.O.

Democrats do it too, but they have not mastered distraction politics like the GOP has.

 

[riverman]

That's their M.O.

Democrats do it too, but they have not mastered distraction politics like the GOP has.

The GOP with the exception of a dozen or so public officials has lost all credibility...it stands to reason with the elections coming up that they'd puff up the white privilege and question racial profiling and the teaching of basic civil rights to all ...it also is glaringly apparent that the less educated amongst their ranks will parrot these issues with a lot of vitriol because they are unable to uphold the truth if it so much as threatens their power base ......also....people are discussing a topic isn't a point...it's a situation...trying to engage it is just fuel for more cut and paste propoganda...this topic is to appeal to the Trump voter base and only serves that purpose...to attempt to reunite the MAGA army against the minority population....I think the GOP should be banned from public service for a couple of decades after they lied about the insurrection on our capitol...they can shut the fuck up and apologize to the nation for not holding people accountable....they don't get to talk about setting examples for our youth until they actually set a good example themselves

 

[crandc]

White people are so fragile they can't handle hearing about slavery, Jim Crow laws, Trail of Tears, lynching, Chinese Exclusion Act, Braceros program, detention camps for Japanese Americans. They need a fairy tale world of endless goodness.

 

[riverman]

In Vegas today a white woman screaming anti asian slurs at a mother and her son punched the 6 year old boy in the neck...security guard escorted her from the building but cops were not called....this is a white person hitting a child in public for no reason than the race of the child.....let's not teach critical race theory to protect white children from knowing this shit happens eh? I won't cut and paste it but it was on yahoo's homepage if you want to read about it...I hope they lock her up and sue her into poverty...this blonde middle aged Karen apparently didn't get an education that prevented her from attacking asian strangers in a mall and hitting a child only 6 years old....good thing I wasn't in that mall or she'd have been taken away by the cops.....guess who was being divisive in this incident?

 

[riverman]

For anyone who wants to know what CRT actually is and why it's important to children from marginalized communities....is a clear layout of 5 major benefits to teaching CRT to all students...and how it relates to the dominant groups laws and effects of those laws on minority issues concerning equality and pointing out cultural bias in modern society that has accepted the dominant groups idea of the norm and how that's different from the experience of a child from a minority community....we are trying to address racial profiling and have the necessary conversations to change it and it starts with our kids....
https://districtadministration.com/critical-race-theory-benefits-white-black-all-students/

 

[Lanny]

He's not supposed to admit it! Someone report him to Hillary!

We discussed this in last Thursday's secret meeting. What happens in the library stays in the library!

 

[ABM]

For anyone who wants to know what CRT actually is and why it's important to children from marginalized communities....is a clear layout of 5 major benefits to teaching CRT to all students...and how it relates to the dominant groups laws and effects of those laws on minority issues concerning equality and pointing out cultural bias in modern society that has accepted the dominant groups idea of the norm and how that's different from the experience of a child from a minority community....we are trying to address racial profiling and have the necessary conversations to change it and it starts with our kids....
https://districtadministration.com/critical-race-theory-benefits-white-black-all-students/

That's a very good article. I appreciate you sharing it.

I also appreciate such organizations such as the Woodson Center and 1776 Unites. They're a small part, but they're still making a difference in various communities.

https://1776unites.com/our-work/curriculum/

The 1776 Unites curriculum offers authentic, inspiring stories from American history that show what is best in our national character and what our freedom makes possible even in the most difficult circumstances. 1776 Unites maintains a special focus on stories that celebrate black excellence, reject victimhood culture, and showcase African-Americans who have prospered by embracing America’s founding ideals.

Created by a team of independent scholars, counselors, and role models, the 1776 Unites curriculum equips students to seize the opportunities afforded them today. These lessons are grounded in the Woodson Center Principles and help educators bring their K-12 students encouragement, enrichment, and the genuine empowerment that comes with personal agency.

As 1776 Unites founder Robert L. Woodson put it, America’s founding generation built the new nation “upon a set of virtues and values that would create a truly free society, the freest the world had ever seen. They even knew at the time it was falling short of truly delivering on that promise for all, but they knew what they were working toward.”

Each lesson in our 1776 Unites curriculum includes lesson plans, assignments, discussion questions, multimedia, and other resources. Designed to integrate easily with existing course expectations and learning outcomes, each module will have students engaging in appropriate response activities that provide opportunities for clear, measurable learning assessment. The curriculum can be implemented anywhere a child’s character is formed, whether that be the classroom, an after-school program, summer camp, church, or at home.

It is essential that children learn they are agents of their own uplift, knowing their possibilities, responsibilities, and what it means to be an American.

 

[crandc]

1776 was created to supposedly counter 1619 Project which Trump denounced in executive order although I am 100 percent sure he did not read it. Pretend slavery and racism didn't really happen and be sure to talk about good white people.

 

[Lanny]

That's a very good article. I appreciate you sharing it.

I also appreciate such organizations such as the Woodson Center and 1776 Unites. They're a small part, but they're still making a difference in various communities.

https://1776unites.com/our-work/curriculum/

The 1776 Unites curriculum offers authentic, inspiring stories from American history that show what is best in our national character and what our freedom makes possible even in the most difficult circumstances. 1776 Unites maintains a special focus on stories that celebrate black excellence, reject victimhood culture, and showcase African-Americans who have prospered by embracing America’s founding ideals.

Created by a team of independent scholars, counselors, and role models, the 1776 Unites curriculum equips students to seize the opportunities afforded them today. These lessons are grounded in the Woodson Center Principles and help educators bring their K-12 students encouragement, enrichment, and the genuine empowerment that comes with personal agency.

As 1776 Unites founder Robert L. Woodson put it, America’s founding generation built the new nation “upon a set of virtues and values that would create a truly free society, the freest the world had ever seen. They even knew at the time it was falling short of truly delivering on that promise for all, but they knew what they were working toward.”

Each lesson in our 1776 Unites curriculum includes lesson plans, assignments, discussion questions, multimedia, and other resources. Designed to integrate easily with existing course expectations and learning outcomes, each module will have students engaging in appropriate response activities that provide opportunities for clear, measurable learning assessment. The curriculum can be implemented anywhere a child’s character is formed, whether that be the classroom, an after-school program, summer camp, church, or at home.

It is essential that children learn they are agents of their own uplift, knowing their possibilities, responsibilities, and what it means to be an American.

I wish everyone believed like you. Unfortunately, there are numerous White superiority organizations out there.

 

[jlprk]

When the Experience Oregon exhibit opened at the Oregon Historical Society last year, showcasing the good, the bad and the ugly of the state’s history -- including a pointy white Ku Klux Klan hood worn by an Oregon member of the notorious racist group -- the museum heard from a smattering of visitors that the exhibit “made them feel guilty as a white person,” Tymchuk says. “We’d hear, ‘Every other state had this issue as well, so why bring it up?’”

https://www.oregonlive.com/history/...en-as-state-celebrates-its-progressivism.html

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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[Rastapopoulos]

The 1776 Unites curriculum offers authentic, inspiring stories from American history that show what is best in our national character and what our freedom makes possible even in the most difficult circumstances.

What would THOSE circumstances be, perchance?

As 1776 Unites founder Robert L. Woodson put it, America’s founding generation built the new nation “upon a set of virtues and values that would create a truly free society, the freest the world had ever seen.

Note the "would". Otherwise you might have to qualify his statement with "except for all those countries that didn't have slaves."

It is essential that children learn they are agents of their own uplift, knowing their possibilities, responsibilities, and what it means to be an American.

Good thing nothing CRT says is in any way incompatible with this statement!

 

[crandc]

Problem with this 1776 sanitized view of American history that won't upset white people is that it has to leave out so many actual Black people. How can you teach about the accomplishments of Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth without mentioning the torture they endured as enslaved people? How can you learn about crusading journalist Ida B. Wells without the fact that fighting lynching was a main focus of her work? Her explicit stomach churning descriptions of what actually happened during lynchings will absolutely upset white people. I can attest to that personally. And learning it makes it harder to give credence to stray Black Trumpers when they compare being criticized to lynching. Can you learn about the pioneering work of biologist Edward Everett Just, while ignoring the inconvenient fact that he had to work in Europe because no American university would hire a Black scientist? Would white people be upset to learn that white male gynecologists learned surgery by practicing on enslaved Black women, without anesthesia? Or that Dr. Charles Drew developed safe means of blood transfusion but bled to death in the waiting room of a hospital that would not admit Black patients? As did Bessie Smith. And speaking of Bessie Smith, can you learn about jazz music without learning its roots in Black suffering? What about literature? To Kill A Mockingbird is acceptable as it was written by a white woman and has good white people in it, but forget The Bluest Eye or Beloved. Their Eyes Were Watching God is also problematic as the heroine got her light skin and wavy hair from the white man who raped her grandmother. Can't upset white people by teaching that. BTW her mother was raped by a Black man so something to upset everyone in this book. Which incidentally I highly recommend.

I would really like an explanation from ABM about what possibilities, uplift, responsibilities enslaved people had? As to what it meant to be an American, Frederick Douglass' essay on What the Fourth of July Means to a Slave is still relevant.

 

[riverman]

Problem with this 1776 sanitized view of American history that won't upset white people is that it has to leave out so many actual Black people. How can you teach about the accomplishments of Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth without mentioning the torture they endured as enslaved people? How can you learn about crusading journalist Ida B. Wells without the fact that fighting lynching was a main focus of her work? Her explicit stomach churning descriptions of what actually happened during lynchings will absolutely upset white people. I can attest to that personally. And learning it makes it harder to give credence to stray Black Trumpers when they compare being criticized to lynching. Can you learn about the pioneering work of biologist Edward Everett Just, while ignoring the inconvenient fact that he had to work in Europe because no American university would hire a Black scientist? Would white people be upset to learn that white male gynecologists learned surgery by practicing on enslaved Black women, without anesthesia? Or that Dr. Charles Drew developed safe means of blood transfusion but bled to death in the waiting room of a hospital that would not admit Black patients? As did Bessie Smith. And speaking of Bessie Smith, can you learn about jazz music without learning its roots in Black suffering? What about literature? To Kill A Mockingbird is acceptable as it was written by a white woman and has good white people in it, but forget The Bluest Eye or Beloved. Their Eyes Were Watching God is also problematic as the heroine got her light skin and wavy hair from the white man who raped her grandmother. Can't upset white people by teaching that. BTW her mother was raped by a Black man so something to upset everyone in this book. Which incidentally I highly recommend.

I would really like an explanation from ABM about what possibilities, uplift, responsibilities enslaved people had? As to what it meant to be an American, Frederick Douglass' essay on What the Fourth of July Means to a Slave is still relevant.

well said...

 

[crandc]

Oklahoma has voted to revoke teaching credentials of any teacher who talks about racism. At a school board meeting, a parade of Karens cried about how their children shouldn't hear things that made them uncomfortable. The ban passed four to one with all white members in favor and sole Black board member against. A college course in race in America history was also cancelled.

Didn't we hear for years about the evil of cancel culture?

 

[ABM]

I would really like an explanation from ABM about what possibilities, uplift, responsibilities enslaved people had? As to what it meant to be an American, Frederick Douglass' essay on What the Fourth of July Means to a Slave is still relevant.

I'm all about teaching history so long as we don't get stifled in it. I'm all for learning and finding meaningful solutions moving forward. This is what I love about such organizations such as the Woodson Center and 1776 group. They are results-driven organizations. There are many Black people today - many - who are fighting to help other Blacks realize and understand that there are endless opportunities to succeed in this great land of ours, while also understanding that what happened back then.....happened back then. It doesn't have to continue to happen today, so let's roll up our sleeves and effect positive change. That's the wonderful message of 1776 and Woodson.

Virtually all world nations and cultures have terrible, terrible pasts. I mean, as an example, look at the Jews. Now THERE'S an overcoming people group!

PS: Yes, I financially support the Woodson Center.