Should the Blazers resign Zach Collins?

[KristinthBonkers]

Yep. Vet minimum or 2 way. Keep him on the payroll and help him get healthy if he can.

He’s been on the roster too long to qualify for a two-way. It’s only for players with less than 4 years on a roster and he has 4 already.

 

[riverman]

Trade him for a decent draft pick to OKC...they've got a truckload, just make sure it's this draft so we can add an affordable rookie to take his spot

 

[KristinthBonkers]

Trade him for a decent draft pick to OKC...they've got a truckload, just make sure it's this draft so we can add an affordable rookie to take his spot

That’s not an option, is it? In that scenario it’s either extend the QO, or he’s a free agent and OKC can just sign him to a contract without giving up a pick.

 

[KristinthBonkers]

Just want to point out that unless he’s extended a QO, he is UFA and can sign wherever he wants for the vet minimum and above.

 

[GDiama]

Just want to point out that unless he’s extended a QO, he is UFA and can sign wherever he wants for the vet minimum and above.

yeah he is basically a UFA because i see no way we extend a QO of 7M. it would be too stupid for us to do that.

 

[KristinthBonkers]

yeah he is basically a UFA because i see no way we extend a QO of 7M. it would be too stupid for us to do that.

I’m not convinced it would be a bad idea. I’ll be surprised if Neil doesn’t extend the QO because he and his Bird Rights can be used in a trade for salary filler. That $7 million expiring contract is valuable to make trades with teams also over the cap, which is pretty much everyone with players worth trading for to upgrade the roster.

Thinking about it, it would be bad business to let that asset go if there are trades to be made. I’m sure when Neil offers it people will freak out but in terms of roster flexibility, it’s the best decision to be made. It’s a valuable contract even if he isn’t a valuable player because the team who would get him in a trade has the option to keep him if they choose to do so, or he’s $7 million gone.

Neil needs all the chips he can use to make deals and Zach’s QO contract is one of them. If you let him walk, that one less chip.

 

[GDiama]

I’m not convinced it would be a bad idea. I’ll be surprised if Neil doesn’t extend the QO because he and his Bird Rights can be used in a trade for salary filler. That $7 million expiring contract is valuable to make trades with teams also over the cap, which is pretty much everyone with players worth trading for to upgrade the roster.

Thinking about it, it would be bad business to let that asset go if there are trades to be made. I’m sure when Neil offers it people will freak out but in terms of roster flexibility, it’s the best decision to be made. It’s a valuable contract even if he isn’t a valuable player because the team who would get him in a trade has the option to keep him if they choose to do so, or he’s $7 million gone.

Neil needs all the chips he can use to make deals and Zach’s QO contract is one of them. If you let him walk, that one less chip.

QO gives also the player right to veto the trade. I guess he won't, but you never know. I also saw now that since he didn't meet the criteria his QO will be lower and not the original one at 7M.

In general it all depends on Powell's new contract and what trades will go through, but I doubt there is any value in keeping Zach even for a trade. Too much of an impact to our already bad cap situation.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Fuck no. Move on

 

[James lamphear]

He just had surgery if everything goes well you could see back on the court late December or January. If that's the case then you need give qualifying offer.

 

[TBpup]

Collins at $7M will play as much as Ezeli did for his $7M. We got nothing out of yet another player leaving.....a Neil specialty.

 

[illmatic99]

Collins at $7M will play as much as Ezeli did for his $7M. We got nothing out of yet another player leaving.....a Neil specialty.

didn't realize neil took a hammer to Zach's foot.

i blame neil as much as anyone for the 2017 draft, but this is just bad luck for Zach. He can contribute if he plays.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Maybe offer Zach a 2-year, $10million contact. This is below the qualifying offer yet doesn’t use up our Vet minimum. This gives Zach two years to get 100% healthy. If he doesn’t, chances are his career is over but he made around $20 million cheering the team. He gets paid to rehab. If next season he breaks out and plays often and awesome, we can present him with an extension offer. I think it fair of the team and very fair for Zach to accept such a generous offer.

I’ve never been overly impressed however I see potential / upside to keeping Zach at $5 million per for a couple years. I might even offer $5 million for next season with a team option for a second year at $8.5 million to sweeten the pot and reduce the risk!

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Do we even know how he broke his foot (again)? Pick-up game? Treadmill? Didn't pay his bookie?

 

[TBpup]

didn't realize neil took a hammer to Zach's foot.

i blame neil as much as anyone for the 2017 draft, but this is just bad luck for Zach. He can contribute if he plays.

Obviously has nothing to deal with what Neil did to Zach. The post references a Neil specialty.....players leaving or ending their time with Portland and us getting zip/zero/nada value for them. A wasted asset.

The list is quite long.

 

[tykendo]

I do think , with the Blazers investing in him, that he will recover and potentially be a key contributor off the bench. Modern medicine is so far ahead of where it was when Walton was here, it's worth the continued investment, IMO. But the money has to be at a place where it doesn't hurt potential moves.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Separate from what the Blazers should do--what should Zach do? If the Blazers extend the QO, should he accept it? If they don't, but they offer a short 2-year deal, should he take that? Or is he better off being renounced, rehabbing away from the team, and trying to come back healthy in 2022?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Separate from what the Blazers should do--what should Zach do? If the Blazers extend the QO, should he accept it? If they don't, but they offer a short 2-year deal, should he take that? Or is he better off being renounced, rehabbing away from the team, and trying to come back healthy in 2022?

If I'm Zach I'm taking the most $ anyone offers.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's really shitty because I was hoping he could be our defensive stretch center... but foot injuries don't just go away in big men. This could ultimately be the end of his career.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Renounce his rights,
Re-sign him to 2-year, vet min deal with 2nd year not fully guaranteed.

Is this possible?

 

[KristinthBonkers]

QO gives also the player right to veto the trade. I guess he won't, but you never know. I also saw now that since he didn't meet the criteria his QO will be lower and not the original one at 7M.

In general it all depends on Powell's new contract and what trades will go through, but I doubt there is any value in keeping Zach even for a trade. Too much of an impact to our already bad cap situation.

Powell isn’t coming back unless CJ is traded and Olshey overpays. His natural position is SG and I don’t want to see a 6’3” SF again this year. Dame, CJ, and Powell all 6’3” and under obviously doesn’t work. Somebody will pay him $20-22 million as a starting SG and he won’t have to try and defend much taller players because CJ and Dame are worse on defense.

Collins at $7M will play as much as Ezeli did for his $7M. We got nothing out of yet another player leaving.....a Neil specialty.

Neil doesn’t have a lot of trade assets and needs all he can get.

Why just let a $6-7 million expiring contract leave when it could be used in a potential trade, and the other team even keeps the Bird Rights for a talented young player if they want to keep him?

Letting Zach walk makes a big trade that much more difficult.

 

[KristinthBonkers]

Renounce his rights,
Re-sign him to 2-year, vet min deal with 2nd year not fully guaranteed.

Is this possible?

It is possible, but he will also have 29 other teams to choose from and Neil loses Zach’s expiring QO contract as a piece to make a trade work. The QO is the only way to go IMO. Those who want him gone perhaps don’t understand that in this case, his contract is more important than his play because it’s a valuable trade asset. If you want major roster changes, then you should also want Zach to be extended the QO because Neil needs every trade piece he can keep at this point.

Also, would Zach re-sign here when he can get the same contract, or even a better one, from another team, after just being dumped by Portland? I doubt it.

 

[tester551]

Why just let a $6-7 million expiring contract leave when it could be used in a potential trade, and the other team even keeps the Bird Rights for a talented young player if they want to keep him?

Letting Zach walk makes a big trade that much more difficult.

That $7M contract for Zach is effectively costing the Blazers $~21M (due to Lux taxes) for the HOPE he comes back healthy enough to trade him.
Not sure the risk/reward is balanced enough

 

[BBert]

If he can finally get healthy, then we'd have a good role player on a minimum deal. Would rather gamble a vet minimum on that instead of on an Anthony Tolliver type.

This. Zach is a better end-of-bencher wearing a cast than some of the castoffs and never-will-bees the Blazers would end up signing instead. And he might actually be all healthy and useful and shit in a couple of years. Worth the minor gamble.

 

[BBert]

Obviously, I'm also good with using him as salary filler.

 

[KristinthBonkers]

That $7M contract for Zach is effectively costing the Blazers $~21M (due to Lux taxes) for the HOPE he comes back healthy enough to trade him.
Not sure the risk/reward is balanced enough

Healthy or not, it would be his expiring contract that could be used in a trade as filler. His contract is more valuable to Olshey than he is as a player next year.

 

[Stevenson]

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Try and fool me three times, and you're Neil Olshey.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Healthy or not, it would be his expiring contract that could be used in a trade as filler. His contract is more valuable to Olshey than he is as a player next year.

You keep saying this...but this notion is predicated on the idea that there will be some team out there that wants to send us a quality player in a firesale deal, while we are simultaneously interested in increasing our luxury tax above what it already projects to be. That relatively remote possibility does not seem worth the millions it would cost to keep him at his QO.

This, by the way, was the same logic Aaron Fentress trotted out for years in opposition to everyone saying that Neil screwed up the summer of 2016. "When those deals are expiring, they're going to be great assets, and he'll be able to use them to make a big trade". And we saw that Crabbe was traded for a millstone, Meyers/Harkless were traded for Whiteside, and Whiteside was traded for nothing. Only Turner technically turned into something, via Bazemore, then Ariza, and 2 firsts for RoCo.

Yeah, I'm not buying the logic on keeping Zach for future trade flexibility.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I'll bet the Blazers wish they had a draft pick about now?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Didn't pay his bookie?

He might have bet on the Blazers?

 

[wizenheimer]

He just had surgery if everything goes well you could see back on the court late December or January. If that's the case then you need give qualifying offer.

he had the 1st revision surgery in December and was still in a walking boot 5 months later. Optimistically, he would have been ready to start full practice a couple of months after getting out of the boot

it's now less than 4 months before the season begins. Why would anybody expect him to return to action in less than 8 months after his latest surgery? It defies common sense and I suspect it defies medical sense. Next year's playoffs are only 10 months away.

at a certain point, extending that QO might be a real case of:



is Portland past that point?