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Hell yeah Timelord Mk II! I can’t wait to get several good games out of him before his body disintegrates into slime or whatever happens to Blazers with injury history.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Hell yeah Timelord Mk II! I can’t wait to get several good games out of him before his body disintegrates into slime or whatever happens to Blazers with injury history.
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I believe dust is the word you are searching for.
 
No, I would not do it. Much more likely his career looks like Ben Simmons 2.0 in a few years, or what Embiid just did - than an all-star.
 
Yes! A change of scenery is obviously needed.
He’s also obviously a ginormous risk but it’s one you have to take IMO.

He’s a mega superstar if you can rejuvenate him. With Zion, who’s the ideal fit offensively next to Clingan, you’re a contender in a few years.

The key to staying healthy is his weight - 265-270
should be the goal.
 
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No question. If you can get a player like that you better do it.
 
SwissBlazer said:
But that doesn’t mean Mike isn’t knowledgeable when talking about the team. He never pretends to have insight (compare to Marang) and is very humble and clear about what he knows and doesn’t know
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I do like Mike Richman. I have talked to him a bit. You are correct about him not making any outlandish claims about what he knows. He follows close and understands the CBA pretty well.
 
While I still think Scoot has the tools and the capability of being s star, if he's added to a trade for Zion that includes Alvarado, I could live with it.

Timelord or Ayton/Grant/Scoot or Simons/25 FRP (if #10) or 28 FRP (if 25 pick ends up top 4) for Zion/Alvarado/filler

Have no idea if the math works on that... they may have to end up sending CJ back here to match salaries, which I admittedly wouldn't hate either.

I still think Simons has a landing spot in Orlando if they could make it work. Caldwell-Pope is washed and Ant would fit right in next to Suggs. Maybe get Da Silva and KCP back, hell I'd even take McClung lol for the Remix lulz.
 
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chris_in_pdx said:
While I still think Scoot has the tools and the capability of being s star, if he's added to a trade for Zion that includes Alvarado, I could live with it.

Timelord or Ayton/Grant/Scoot or Simons/25 FRP (if #10) or 28 FRP (if 25 pick ends up top 4) for Zion/Alvarado/filler

Have no idea if the math works on that... they may have to end up sending CJ back here to match salaries, which I admittedly wouldn't hate either.

I still think Simons has a landing spot in Orlando if they could make it work. Caldwell-Pope is washed and Ant would fit right in next to Suggs. Maybe get Da Silva and KCP back, hell I'd even take McClung lol for the Remix lulz.
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I think if you wanted Alvarado back then Scoot, Ayton and the 10th pick would make sense from our standpoint and probably theirs. I think the same package works if we move up but the draft compensation would have to be something like the worst or our 2029 FRPs and our 2031 FRP top 10 protected, conveys as our 2031 SRP if it lands in the top ten.

Ant does make sense going to Orlando. If they're just trying to unload KCP then maybe him, Black and the 16th pick for Ant and Kris makes sense to both teams.

Both of the trades I'm proposing work as far as salary matching goes.
 
I want Herb Jones
 
Chris Craig said:
I want Herb Jones
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why? He's not as good as Avdija and Camara. If the Blazers are trading for Zion, Jones would be the 4th on the forward rotation for the Blazers. By the way, Jerami Grant has a career rebound rate of 7.7%; Jones has a career mark of 7.0%
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The attitude on these boards seems to be championship or bust. The ULTIMATE oft injured player won us our only championship. So, considering that, exactly what has worked well?
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The One player that got the Blazers a championship was a fantastic 2-way center.

Zion is a far cry from Bill Walton.
 
Why not trade for Giannis?

He's 30 years old. The Blazers have Bucks picks swaps for 28 and 30 and the Bucks pick in 29.

That would be the ultimate 4D chess by Cronin.

Take away Jrue Holiday and swaps and a pick, give them Dame, and watch them flail in the playoffs in Giannis's prime.

Trade the swaps and pick back to the Bucks for Giannis.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
We tried that. So, nothing has worked well.
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The other thing that got the Blazers to the championships in 90 and 92 was making good draft picks and making the trade of Bowie (after 4 seasons) for Buck Williams.
Drexler, Porter, Kersey, started their careers with the Blazers. Duckworth finished his rookie season as a Blazer.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The attitude on these boards seems to be championship or bust. The ULTIMATE oft injured player won us our only championship. So, considering that, exactly what has worked well?
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We should be building the most young talent possible through the draft and avoiding barely missing or barely making the playoffs if at all possible.

We've never really done it before... It may take 5-7 years, but if you're at all competent you'll likely have a roster capable of competing for championships for a long time. You will have certainly had the opportunity to build that kind of roster.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We should be building the most young talent possible through the draft and avoiding barely missing or barely making the playoffs if at all possible.

We've never really done it before... It may take 5-7 years, but if you're at all competent you'll likely have a roster capable of competing for championships for a long time. You will have certainly had the opportunity to build that kind of roster.
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Under normal circumstances, and by that I mean a team of average age, I'd agree with not wanting to barely make or miss the playoffs. However, we have the youngest team in the league, so I think that barely making or missing would be awesome. Especially since I believe we have our starting PG, SG, SF, PF, and C of the future right now.

Let's go full retard: suppose our starting lineup consists of 5 15 year olds, and those whipper snappers just barely miss the nba playoffs. Would we still need to be saved by drafting a "star"? Of course, not.

So, yes, I agree with your sentiment that barely making or missing is very bad, but not for a team this young. You also tend to emphasize that we need to improve the roster, which I also whole-heartedly agree with as well.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Under normal circumstances, and by that I mean a team of average age, I'd agree with not wanting to barely make or miss the playoffs. However, we have the youngest team in the league, so I think that barely making or missing would be awesome. Especially since I believe we have our starting PG, SG, SF, PF, and C of the future right now.

Let's go full retard: suppose our starting lineup consists of 5 15 year olds, and those whipper snappers just barely miss the nba playoffs. Would we still need to be saved by drafting a "star"? Of course, not.

So, yes, I agree with your sentiment that barely making or missing is very bad, but not for a team this young. You also tend to emphasize that we need to improve the roster, which I also whole-heartedly agree with as well.
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To be clear, I'm not advocating a "star or bust" strategy. More of a "stack talent deeper" strategy. But yes, absolutely. If your young team is just so good that it can't help but win that many games (without vets who will not be part of the future) then you are in a great place.
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
Under normal circumstances, and by that I mean a team of average age, I'd agree with not wanting to barely make or miss the playoffs. However, we have the youngest team in the league, so I think that barely making or missing would be awesome. Especially since I believe we have our starting PG, SG, SF, PF, and C of the future right now.

Let's go full retard: suppose our starting lineup consists of 5 15 year olds, and those whipper snappers just barely miss the nba playoffs. Would we still need to be saved by drafting a "star"? Of course, not.

So, yes, I agree with your sentiment that barely making or missing is very bad, but not for a team this young. You also tend to emphasize that we need to improve the roster, which I also whole-heartedly agree with as well.
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people keep saying that as if it means a lot...I'm not sure it does when context is added

yes, Portland was the 2nd youngest at 23.8 years, average age. However, Simons, Ayton, and Grant all averaged more than 30 minutes while starting every single game they played. The average age of that trio is 27.9; that's 4.1 years older, on average, than the roster. If you add Thybulle and Timelord, there are 5 players on the roster whose average age is 27.9. If you combine Simons-Ayton-Grant with Avdija & Camara, you probably have 5 of the 6 best players on the team other than Sharpe (Clingan better than Ayton?), and the average age of those 5 players is 26.6; three years older than the roster average

what you 'want' is youth + talent. OKC is only, on average, one year older than Portland and they won 31 more games and just swept an opponent in the 1st round. OKC, Memphis, Orlando, and Houston are all within a year, on average, of Portland, and they all made the playoffs. Six of the youngest 14 teams made the playoffs. 8 of the youngest 14 teams made at least the play-in. Portland wasn't one of them

when the Blazers won the championship in 1977, well back before the one and done rule for college which drug average NBA ages lower, the Blazers average age that season was 24.5. That's only 8 months older, on average, than the current team...and again...they not only made the playoffs, they won the rings

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IMO, the Blazers aren't good enough, yet, that they should de-prioritize adding young prospects. I'm not sure the front office agrees with that though
 
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people keep saying that as if it means a lot...I'm not sure it does when context is added

yes, Portland was the 2nd youngest at 23.8 years, average age. However, Simons, Ayton, and Grant all averaged more than 30 minutes while starting every single game they played. The average age of that trio is 27.9; that's 4.1 years older, on average, than the roster. If you add Thybulle and Timelord, there are 5 players on the roster whose average age is 27.9. If you combine Simons-Ayton-Grant with Avdija & Camara, you probably have 5 of the 6 best players on the team other than Sharpe (Clingan better than Ayton?), and the average age of those 5 players is 26.6; three years older than the roster average

what you 'want' is youth + talent. OKC is only, on average, one year older than Portland and they won 31 more games and just swept an opponent in the 1st round. OKC, Memphis, Orlando, and Houston are all within a year, on average, of Portland, and they all made the playoffs. Six of the youngest 14 teams made the playoffs. 8 of the youngest 14 teams made at least the play-in. Portland wasn't one of them

when the Blazers won the championship in 1977, well back before the one and done rule for college which drug average NBA ages lower, the Blazers average age that season was 24.5. That's only 8 months older, on average, than the current team...and again...they not only made the playoffs, they won the rings

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IMO, the Blazers aren't good enough, yet, that they should de-prioritize adding young prospects. I'm not sure the front office agrees with that though
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Agree 100%
 
wizenheimer said:
when the Blazers won the championship in 1977, well back before the one and done rule for college which drug average NBA ages lower, the Blazers average age that season was 24.5. That's only 8 months older, on average, than the current team...and again...they not only made the playoffs, they won the rings
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Trade me Chauncy Billups for Jack Ramsay, and then let's discuss your comparison. I think the current team has buttloads of talent on the youthful end. Get us a coach that knows how to utilize them.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Trade me Chauncy Billups for Jack Ramsay, and then let's discuss your comparison. I think the current team has buttloads of talent on the youthful end. Get us a coach that knows how to utilize them.
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lol....c'mon man.

next season, assuming the team stays the same, they'd be the same average age or even older than those Blazers. You really can't believe that a different coach could take this Blazer team to the 2026 championship....that's nuts
 
My problem with Zion is he cannot stay healthy and some people still see him as a top 30 players in the league -- spoiler warning -- HE IS NOT

Talent wise maybe he is but the reality is his health is such a question mark that he is not and that is a fact. If I am the Pels and I decide to trade him then you want a deal with the following a Top 8 -15 pick and either a Proven low end Star OR someone who has talent but buried behind a vet or something then maybe another solid player as throw in plus maybe a 1st round pick swap.

The thing is they also have to decide if they want to gamble and see IF maybe he can come back and then maybe trade him at the deadline OR does he pull a Robert Williams -- comes back then gets hurt and then his value plummets again.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
My problem with Zion is he cannot stay healthy and some people still see him as a top 30 players in the league -- spoiler warning -- HE IS NOT

Talent wise maybe he is but the reality is his health is such a question mark that he is not and that is a fact. If I am the Pels and I decide to trade him then you want a deal with the following a Top 8 -15 pick and either a Proven low end Star OR someone who has talent but buried behind a vet or something then maybe another solid player as throw in plus maybe a 1st round pick swap.

The thing is they also have to decide if they want to gamble and see IF maybe he can come back and then maybe trade him at the deadline OR does he pull a Robert Williams -- comes back then gets hurt and then his value plummets again.
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If he was healthy, they wouldn't trade him for 4 picks and 3 swaps. We couldn't get him at all.
 
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