Should the Military Be Allowed to Detain Americans Indefinitely?

[DaLincolnJones]

ok, i dont believe "a long weekend" is going to cut it for most these guys, fk most will be trashed for a month when they get out. anyone seeing combat will take years to stop twitching. this is the worst time to be a soldier returning home sense ww2. with no jobs, there will be a lot of very bad decisions made.

 

[MARIS61]

I was looking for the armed forces aspect, not the postal service. The Army Corps of Engeneers do some very brave stuff, but I dont recall seeing civilians present at the time, they came in with the PX. (yes that was a slight jest)

Killing strangers at the bequest of the 1% never appealed to me.

If I ever feel I have to kill strangers, I'll need a better reason than their wars for profit.

USACE provided me the opportunity to respond to many emergencies such as the Exxon Valdez oil spill, the Tillamook flood, Mt St Helens explosions and flooding...genuine threats to the survival of Americans. Not some power-grab halfway around the globe.

 

[MARIS61]

ok, i dont believe "a long weekend" is going to cut it for most these guys, fk most will be trashed for a month when they get out.

An unfortunate choice of words.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...acknowledged/2011/12/07/gIQAT8ybdO_story.html

 

[3RA1N1AC]

a) join the reserves, you have a 4 year commitment of 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year.

not to mention a few years of combat in actual, you know, wars, killing and being killed.

 

[MARIS61]

not to mention a few years of combat in actual, you know, wars, killing and being killed.

And indefinite forced servitude at the military's option.

And the "voluntary" surrender of your rights as an American citizen.

And the "voluntary" surrender of your individual identity, personality, and anything else that would distinguish you from a japanese wind-up toy.

On the plus side, you get to benefit from the super-bennies provided by the most socialist branch of our government, making your actual income close to double that of the average American.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

And indefinite forced servitude at the military's option.

And the "voluntary" surrender of your rights as an American citizen.

And the "voluntary" surrender of your individual identity, personality, and anything else that would distinguish you from a japanese wind-up toy.

On the plus side, you get to benefit from the super-bennies provided by the most socialist branch of our government, making your actual income close to double that of the average American.

wow bro, when you go over the top, you really go over, lol

wont bother to point out the obvious, just one thing alone blows you outta da water. Volunteers serve

 

[Sinobas]

I'm against this rule. Terrorism on our soil is a crime and should be fought by law enforcement. There's a big problem with saying you have rights unless you are a "terrorist" because the terrorist label can be applied so liberally.

For example, in the aftermath of Hurrican Katrina, american journalist Greg Palast (a guy who had written things very critical of the Bush administration) was taking photos of the FEMA camps and was actually charged by our federal government with DOMESTIC TERRORISM. This is a true story.

We just can't have it.

The department of homeland security was set up in the aftermath of 9-11 with the pretense that it was an extra layer of security needed to protect us from terrorism, but it is already being abused, as they are targeting American citizens who fall outside of the political norm. One girl was being tracked simply for being a Ron Paul supporter.

 

[Ed O]

One girl was being tracked simply for being a Ron Paul supporter.

I call bullshit on this.

There are tens of thousands of Ron Paul supporters. It makes no sense that only one person would be tracked merely for that reason.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

wow bro, when you go over the top, you really go over, lol

wont bother to point out the obvious, just one thing alone blows you outta da water. Volunteers serve

What you really mean is, as usual, you can't back up anything with facts so you'll just made empty declarations of victory.

I dare you to debate whatever in my post it is you think is "obvious".

 

[MARIS61]

I call bullshit on this.

There are tens of thousands of Ron Paul supporters. It makes no sense that only one person would be tracked merely for that reason.

Ed O.

All libertarians are spied on by DHS.

The goal is No American Left Free.

 

[Ed O]

All libertarians are spied on by DHS.

The goal is No American Left Free.

Why point out that "one girl" was discriminated against, then, merely for supporting Ron Paul?

It sounds like an oversimplification or an outright fabrication to me.

Ed O.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

What you really mean is, as usual, you can't back up anything with facts so you'll just made empty declarations of victory.

I dare you to debate whatever in my post it is you think is "obvious".

Ok, I dont wanna make it too hard, so "And indefinite forced servitude at the military's option."

ok when was that ever forced upon you or anyone in this non draft era...you know Maris, fun is fun, and I do enjoy a laugh. I like to poke a little fun to troll the weak, but for a fictional persona. I really hope you are not as obtuse as the posts you make. You know, some of us did wear a uni and carry arms, we did so of our own free will, to mock that is in very poor taste, although you do have the hard fought for right to do so.

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[MARIS61]

Ok, I dont wanna make it too hard, so "And indefinite forced servitude at the military's option."

Why do you think all US males are forced to register or be imprisoned? They don't need the list for party invitations.

The draft is still fresh in my memory, and I know I'll see it's return in my lifetime.

 

[MARIS61]

Why point out that "one girl" was discriminated against, then, merely for supporting Ron Paul?

It sounds like an oversimplification or an outright fabrication to me.

Ed O.

He was probably just trying to spare us the 30 million duplicate posts.

 

[HailBlazers]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...est-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/

 

[BrianFromWA]

Why do you think all US males are forced to register or be imprisoned? They don't need the list for party invitations.

The draft is still fresh in my memory, and I know I'll see it's return in my lifetime.

We haven't used the draft in 40 years, and in that time we've had a couple of different instances of mobilizing hundreds of thousands of reservists/national guardsmen/non-active duty military. If we're not going to institute the draft when we're fighting 2 wars/insurgencies consuming a quarter of a million troops in the combat zones, what does your crystal ball show as the catalyst for this "forced opportunity to utilize some responsibility that comes with those rights your government gives to you?"

And if the draft is still "fresh in your memory," that explains some of your opinions on current events.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

There might not be a draft, but you are still supposed to register for one.

And Democrats wanting to make the wars even more unpopular (only during Bush's terms) did try to push for a draft.

 

[MARIS61]

We haven't used the draft in 40 years, and in that time we've had a couple of different instances of mobilizing hundreds of thousands of reservists/national guardsmen/non-active duty military. If we're not going to institute the draft when we're fighting 2 wars/insurgencies consuming a quarter of a million troops in the combat zones, what does your crystal ball show as the catalyst for this "forced opportunity to utilize some responsibility that comes with those rights your government gives to you?"

And if the draft is still "fresh in your memory," that explains some of your opinions on current events.

Having actually been in the draft and faced the prospect my own country might imprison me for refusing to murder strangers for their pleasure/power, yeah it's still pretty fresh in my memory. That's why I know it's been 39 years, not 40.

All it will take is a stroke of the President's pen to start it up again.

The Selective Service System describes its mission as "...to serve the emergency manpower needs of the Military by conscripting untrained manpower, or personnel with professional health care skills, if directed by Congress and the President in a national crisis."...

...
Structure and operation

The Selective Service System is an independent federal agency within the Executive Branch of the Federal government of the United States.

The Director of the Selective Service System reports directly to the President of the United States of America.[39]

During peacetime the agency comprises a National Headquarters, three Regional Headquarters and a Data Management Center.[40] During a mobilization (draft), the agency would greatly expand by activating an additional 56 State Headquarters, 400+ Area Offices as well as 40+ Alternative Service Offices.[41]

[edit] Mobilization (draft) procedures

The description below is for a general draft. Different procedures would be followed for a special-skills draft, such as activation of the Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS).
1.Congress and the President authorize a draft: The president claims a crisis has occurred which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which revises the Military Selective Service Act to initiate a draft for military manpower.
2.The Lottery: A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during the calendar year the induction takes place, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19 and 18 year olds (in that order).
3.All parts of the Selective Service System are activated: The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Force Officers to report for duty.
4.Physical, mental and moral evaluation of registrants: Registrants with low lottery numbers receive examination orders and are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment.
5.Local and appeal boards activated and induction notices sent: Local and Appeal Boards will begin processing registrant claims/appeals. Those who passed the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.
6.First draftees are inducted: According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.


As for when, I expect the next administration will do it. Our military was already woefully understaffed for our most recent wars, and we had to leave our populace unprotected so we could send untrained National Guardsmen to die for Halliburton. With the global war they're planning now they'll need all males either on the front lines or detained indefinitely in the DHS internment camps as provided for in the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act.

 

[MARIS61]

...what does your crystal ball show as the catalyst for this "forced opportunity to utilize some responsibility that comes with those rights your government gives to you?"

Rights can never be "given" by a government.

They can only be left alone as they should be, or infringed upon as they usually are.

 

[jlprk]

Look at the thread title, "Should the Military Be Allowed to Detain Americans Indefinitely?"

The word "detain" is a code word for "torture."

In case someone doesn't know this, I'll say it. Torture is the whole difference between getting a trial and being held incommunicado overseas. Torture is the whole reason behind having a legal system.

When Sen. Lindsay uses the word detain, he's talking about torture, and adults understand this. There are some real monsters who get elected by using words that voters who are mental children fall for. The cooperative media never explains this, and is a controlled subsidiary of the evil system.

There are many on both the left and right who oppose this, but as I said, intelligence agencies, who don't care about left or right, just maximizing power, would easily divide and conquer any attempt at a unifying consensus.