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Who would you rather the Blazers trade for Siakam or Simmons

  • Pascal Siakam

    Votes: 50 56.2%

  • Ben Simmons

    Votes: 39 43.8%
  • Total voters
    89
Man, vote is even. I think Pascal has proven, when healthy, to be a game changing talent. Simmons has the yips on offense, and has potential issues with his desire to be the best. That's scary. But i did have to really think about it. Most polls on S2 are decisive easy votes.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Okay, so IYO does adding either or both of those players to the Blazers make us a championship contender?
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Potentially, with some additions to the bench. Veterens who can shoot and play defense. And bring tenacity like a Josh Hart.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Siakam is not a free agent
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Well, it's a poll question and I gave an appropriate poll answer .
blazerkor said:
Are you getting these two guys mixed up with a superstar like Dame? These guys are not on the level of turning down trade destinations: Ben is locked up for four years and Siakam has three. Both guys could be had without crippling the roster. Despite the fact that you labeled Simmons a choke artist I would give up CJ three firsts and four swaps for Simmons and I think Morey would take it... if Morey demanded four firsts and three swaps I'd probably cave and do that too. As far as Siakam goes, I think if we got a third team involved we could get him for CJ and a first rounder.

The point was that both guys would talk about how they can't wait to play with Dame and be the foundation of the team with him, not about the reputation the city has because of the media. Besides superstars, NBA players know that being traded wherever is part of the job description... what they think of a city comes into play when they are free agents.

Obviously this is all conjecture but it's a theory that has a little more history on it side than yours does.
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It's only an answer to a poll question. Nothing more.
 
blazerkor said:
Are you getting these two guys mixed up with a superstar like Dame? These guys are not on the level of turning down trade destinations: Ben is locked up for four years and Siakam has three. Both guys could be had without crippling the roster. Despite the fact that you labeled Simmons a choke artist I would give up CJ three firsts and four swaps for Simmons and I think Morey would take it... if Morey demanded four firsts and three swaps I'd probably cave and do that too. As far as Siakam goes, I think if we got a third team involved we could get him for CJ and a first rounder.

The point was that both guys would talk about how they can't wait to play with Dame and be the foundation of the team with him, not about the reputation the city has because of the media. Besides superstars, NBA players know that being traded wherever is part of the job description... what they think of a city comes into play when they are free agents.

Obviously this is all conjecture but it's a theory that has a little more history on it side than yours does.
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I'm only answering a poll question with an appropriate poll answer. No more than that.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Siakam is not a free agent
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I'm only answering a poll question with a poll answer. I took it CC had them coming as a destination and the only way Siakom signs is as a free agent (IMO)
 
calvin natt said:
I think Haliburton will be a stud. Already is, and super young. Better than CJ. Once Bagley gets healthy he also could* be a stud. Nurkic is who he is and so is CJ. Maybe they throw in a pick.
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Nurk is still learning the game. He ain't that old. Billups has a chance to get more out of him. Bagley ain't no stud.
 
Simmons. He has elite title potential.

I'm not as worried about his shooting as many. He and Lillard could be a 2022 version of Shaq and Kobe. One dominate inside,the other outside and the end of games. It might mean we need to trade Nurk.

Go get Ben!
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Simmons. He has elite title potential.

I'm not as worried about his shooting as many. He and Lillard could be a 2022 version of Shaq and Kobe. One dominate inside,the other outside and the end of games. It might mean we need to trade Nurk.

Go get Ben!
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sorry to disappoint you, but dame & simmons wont get you anywhere, they would need another star, just like phila needs another star, but the difference is that they could probably win a chip with embiid & dame (without simmons), so they wouldnt need a third star, but they would need stacked team, role players who can deliver

giannis & kawhi didnt have a star with them, they are freaks of nature, long, athletic and elite on both ends of the floor and they had elite supporting cast which proved to be enough and dame can have elite supporting cast, but he would still need another star, cause hes simply not that good... put dame on those raps & bucks team instead of kawhi & giannis and theyre not winning the chip
 
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Mr. Robot said:
giannis & kawhi didnt have a star with them, they are freaks of nature, long, athletic and elite on both ends of the floor and they had elite supporting cast which proved to be enough and dame can have elite supporting cast, but he would still need another star, cause hes simply not that good... put dame on those raps & bucks team instead of kawhi & giannis and theyre not winning the chip
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I mean even if I partly agree with you I am still unsure what would have been possible this year if you would have Ben in your team. We saw the Suns in the finals and to be honest I do not see Paul nor Booker near as good as those two (and I agree that they are better than Dame). I think this year just showed that more or less everything can happen in a season if you have a top 6 team in your conference (and that is maybe achiveable with Ben).
 
LenPa said:
I mean even if I partly agree with you I am still unsure what would have been possible this year if you would have Ben in your team. We saw the Suns in the finals and to be honest I do not see Paul nor Booker near as good as those two (and I agree that they are better than Dame). I think this year just showed that more or less everything can happen in a season if you have a top 6 team in your conference (and that is maybe achiveable with Ben).
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to be fair, this past season was anomaly as many teams lost star players due to injuries

phoenix suns are well contructed and coached team, something blazers werent and even if we had simmons instead of cj mccollum, thats still not good constructed team as phoenix (except starting five) and not good coached team, so im not sure portland would be capable of doing what phoenix did, in fact, im pretty sure we wouldnt

would phoenix go all the way to the finals had davis, murray, barton & dozier, kawhi & ibaka played, im not sure, as really good team as they are, those are likely even better teams... i dont believe phoenix will be back in the finals anytime soon, maybe in the future when booker & ayton develop further, but i think theyre done with cp3, but he can help their players grow, so its worth to re-sign him

someone would need to score besides dame and our best bet would be nurk & powell (and thats far from a sure thing), cause sure as hell it aint simmons... i do believe simmons would makes us the better team than we are now and that would happen first and foremost thanks to the new head coach, but would portland become legit contender, im not sure, not unless nurk & powell take a big leap and we have reliable bench players

by adding simmons/siakam, i believe portland becomes really good team like phoenix & utah jazz who with some luck can get into the finals (like phoenix did)
 
Mr. Robot said:
to be fair, this past season was anomaly as many teams lost star players due to injuries

phoenix suns are well contructed and coached team, something blazers werent and even if we had simmons instead of cj mccollum, thats still not good constructed team as phoenix (except starting five) and not good coached team, so im not sure portland would be capable of doing what phoenix did, in fact, im pretty sure we wouldnt

would phoenix go all the way to the finals had davis, murray, barton & dozier, kawhi & ibaka played, im not sure, as really good team as they are, those are likely even better teams... i dont believe phoenix will be back in the finals anytime soon, maybe in the future when booker & ayton develop further, but i think theyre done with cp3, but he can help their players grow, so its worth to re-sign him

someone would need to score besides dame and our best bet would be nurk & powell (and thats far from a sure thing), cause sure as hell it aint simmons... i do believe simmons would makes us the better team than we are now and that would happen first and foremost thanks to the new head coach, but would portland become legit contender, im not sure, not unless nurk & powell take a big leap and we have reliable bench players

by adding simmons/siakam, i believe portland becomes really good team like phoenix & utah jazz who with some luck can get into the finals (like phoenix did)
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I think you're right with your last sentence that if Simmons is playing up to the best he has in the past or if we can get more out of him (which I think we can) that would be a huge upgrade. As far as your comment about where scoring comes from. Norm would probably be our second leading scorer and I think given more touches/shots he's capable of scoring over 20ppg. I think if you tell Simmons to be aggressive getting to the hoop and scoring a bunch, he is also more than capable of scoring more than 20ppg. The only problem is if your boy Nurk creates spacing problems when playing with Simmons... we'd have to see about that.
 
blazerkor said:
I like Simmons more but I'd be extremely happy if we got Siakam for CJ and draft assets.
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This is where I'm at. If the question is purely "who would you prefer in a vacuum", I think the answer is Simmons by a good margin. But I can certainly see Siakam as an upgrade as well, there are worse consolation prizes to be found, for sure.
 
I see where 1080 The Fan is asking this very question on twitter as of a few minutes ago.....

I knew they came here for their information.

Same "sauces" as Henry Abbott.
 
I don't really follow the EC, but somewhere or other I got the impression that the Raptors weren't real happy with Siakam?
 
Siakam. 100%. Also a good passer tbh. Then sign Winslow for minimum, and hope he can bring defense and passing .. and present a budget lidl version of ben simmons while not falling apart halfway the season.
 
Morey and Neil are in a conundrum. Both need to shake things up to appease their Biggest stars. The quality trade partners for a player to complement said stars are drying up. I think Simmons gets traded for CJ. There may be some players added going back & forth , and a draft pick thrown in, but i think it gets done.
 
tykendo said:
Morey and Neil are in a conundrum. Both need to shake things up to appease their Biggest stars. The quality trade partners for a player to complement said stars are drying up. I think Simmons gets traded for CJ. There may be some players added going back & forth , and a draft pick thrown in, but i think it gets done.
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the biggest 'yeah, but...' about that is I'd say there would be a much bigger market for Simmons after the demands from Morey becomes realistic than there will be for CJ
 
wizenheimer said:
the biggest 'yeah, but...' about that is I'd say there would be a much bigger market for Simmons after the demands from Morey becomes realistic than there will be for CJ
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CJ is still the right fit and Simmons will be a gamble until his next playoff performance goes well. CJ plus all of the picks they want should get the job done and we should all be cool with that because it shows Dame urgency and with Dame on the fence, we're in good a place to gamble.
 
I truly believe that CJ’s value + Nurkic’s value are significantly increased when traded as a tandem:

CJ = non all-star trade value
Nurk = non all star trade value

CJ + Nurk = gets us an All Star player in return

but if this were our best package, we’d have to obtain an All-Star caliber center in return:

KAT

for the Blazers, i believe we have a better chance at a title with KAT than with Nurk + Simmons or Nurk + Siakam
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I truly believe that CJ’s value + Nurkic’s value are significantly increased when traded as a tandem:

CJ = non all-star trade value
Nurk = non all star trade value

CJ + Nurk = gets us an All Star player in return

but if this were our best package, we’d have to obtain an All-Star caliber center in return:

KAT

for the Blazers, i believe we have a better chance at a title with KAT than with Nurk + Simmons or Nurk + Siakam
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I am not that high on the center position. To me, that is the position you can get away with a "committee".
Mainly because of our history with injuries at that position....I just don't want to have to rely on one to make or break our season.

I would take Dame, NP, Little/RoCo, Zeller, and Siakam starting 5.
 
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tykendo said:
Morey and Neil are in a conundrum. Both need to shake things up to appease their Biggest stars. The quality trade partners for a player to complement said stars are drying up. I think Simmons gets traded for CJ. There may be some players added going back & forth , and a draft pick thrown in, but i think it gets done.
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Yep and I think we need another shooter to get this trade done. Someone in the mold of Portis at the 4/5. The Blazers get the better player but will be taking the bigger risk and having a player they need to build around in a very specific way. I believe the McLemore signing is quite important despite seeming like a footnote it shows that A) we will be moving CJ and/or Ant and B) that we are emphasizing shooting on a team bursting at the seams with shooters. Where’s the defensive improvement? The answer to me is a Simmons for McCollum swap is being worked out, but Neil wisely wants Portis or similar to ensure Simmons is surrounded by 3-4 shooters at all times.
 
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