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Who would you rather the Blazers trade for Siakam or Simmons

  • Pascal Siakam

    Votes: 50 56.2%

  • Ben Simmons

    Votes: 39 43.8%
  • Total voters
    89
Idog1976 said:
Yep and I think we need another shooter to get this trade done. His name is Bobby Portis.
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I'm confused by what you're attempting to say here, especially considering Portis has already re-signed with Milwaukee.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm confused by what you're attempting to say here, especially considering Portis has already re-signed with Milwaukee.
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nooooo! I missed that. Well this is awful news. Replace Portis with a shooting big. What shooters are left at the 4/5? God Do we make a run at Meyers Leonard? Not the Leonard I wanted this offseason lol.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I truly believe that CJ’s value + Nurkic’s value are significantly increased when traded as a tandem:

CJ = non all-star trade value
Nurk = non all star trade value

CJ + Nurk = gets us an All Star player in return

but if this were our best package, we’d have to obtain an All-Star caliber center in return:

KAT

for the Blazers, i believe we have a better chance at a title with KAT than with Nurk + Simmons or Nurk + Siakam
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I would love to have Kat but there is no way we could get him for Nurk and CJ. He is 25 years old and the cornerstone of their team. They don't need CJ and they don't need Nurk.
 
Snell and McLemore, both quite one dimensional shooters probably imply a non-shooter coming in (Simmons)
 
I think the trade that will happen is Simmons but the trick to making it happen is to have a Siakam trade on the table. So Neil figures out and has the parties involved ready for a Siakam trade, probably a three team trade. Neil then calls Morey and tells him that he has a Siakam deal agreed to in principle so we're going to appease and keep Dame and Philly will not have a shot at him. Then he makes his final offer for Simmons... which should be CJ and maybe DJJ and as many picks/swaps as it takes. If Morey declines, that's fine I'm sure the price for Siakam will be lower and he fits better in the front court with Nurk anyway.

Simmons is the only one out of the two that has chance to be a superstar but Siakam can be a perennial all star. If Nas and Ant pop we could be contenders.

For the record I do not think it takes CJ, DJJ, Ant and Nas to get Simmons... let alone adding picks to the situation. It might take CJ, DJJ, Ant (if they're into him) and a couple of picks. I think given one of the rumored proposals from the Sixers that got turned down that Morey would love to have control of the entire draft future of a team and a solid player. Well CJ is more than a solid player and fits the Sixers' needs perfectly. I don't know why we wouldn't give Morey three picks and four swaps with CJ for Simmons. I don't think the Bucks are kicking themselves for giving up their draft freedom for Holiday.
 
blazerkor said:
I think the trade that will happen is Simmons but the trick to making it happen is to have a Siakam trade on the table. So Neil figures out and has the parties involved ready for a Siakam trade, probably a three team trade. Neil then calls Morey and tells him that he has a Siakam deal agreed to in principle so we're going to appease and keep Dame and Philly will not have a shot at him. Then he makes his final offer for Simmons... which should be CJ and maybe DJJ and as many picks/swaps as it takes. If Morey declines, that's fine I'm sure the price for Siakam will be lower and he fits better in the front court with Nurk anyway.

Simmons is the only one out of the two that has chance to be a superstar but Siakam can be a perennial all star. If Nas and Ant pop we could be contenders.

For the record I do not think it takes CJ, DJJ, Ant and Nas to get Simmons... let alone adding picks to the situation. It might take CJ, DJJ, Ant (if they're into him) and a couple of picks. I think given one of the rumored proposals from the Sixers that got turned down that Morey would love to have control of the entire draft future of a team and a solid player. Well CJ is more than a solid player and fits the Sixers' needs perfectly. I don't know why we wouldn't give Morey three picks and four swaps with CJ for Simmons. I don't think the Bucks are kicking themselves for giving up their draft freedom for Holiday.
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Yep, I think something very similar is brewing behind the scenes.
 
Either one would be super but Siakam makes more since to me as we need a scoring four that can also defend. I just think Siakam is expendable more now. Morey doesn't want to be the guy that trades Simmons away for non allstar player plus he has Maxie of which they are high on. Bet it Siakam, they have that position covered and need to replace the guard they just traded.
 


All while Neil is busy blaming Stotts and not the level of talent on the roster.
 
blazerkor said:
I think the trade that will happen is Simmons but the trick to making it happen is to have a Siakam trade on the table. So Neil figures out and has the parties involved ready for a Siakam trade, probably a three team trade. Neil then calls Morey and tells him that he has a Siakam deal agreed to in principle so we're going to appease and keep Dame and Philly will not have a shot at him. Then he makes his final offer for Simmons... which should be CJ and maybe DJJ and as many picks/swaps as it takes. If Morey declines, that's fine I'm sure the price for Siakam will be lower and he fits better in the front court with Nurk anyway.

Simmons is the only one out of the two that has chance to be a superstar but Siakam can be a perennial all star. If Nas and Ant pop we could be contenders.

For the record I do not think it takes CJ, DJJ, Ant and Nas to get Simmons... let alone adding picks to the situation. It might take CJ, DJJ, Ant (if they're into him) and a couple of picks. I think given one of the rumored proposals from the Sixers that got turned down that Morey would love to have control of the entire draft future of a team and a solid player. Well CJ is more than a solid player and fits the Sixers' needs perfectly. I don't know why we wouldn't give Morey three picks and four swaps with CJ for Simmons. I don't think the Bucks are kicking themselves for giving up their draft freedom for Holiday.
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Hell no. You take Siakam for solid value before you ever cave into given up every pick for a guy who can't shoot outside of 3 feet... It's not that complicated. The dude is allergic to any shot outside of a layup or dunk. You will NEVER contend with your #3 guy being a "perimeter" player who can't make shit outside of 3 feet. You will never contend with your #2 not being able to play off your #1. The dude has a shitty attitude and doesn't work on his game. The dude chokes in big moments in the playoffs. ONE shot in six 4th quarters against the Hawks. That's one shot in 44 minutes. And people think this gut is the #2 on a championship team that they'd give up CJ and every pick for him instead of CJ and a pick or two for Siakam?
 
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While I still think Simmons is a tremendous player, I have to admit I am getting talked into the idea that Siakam is both a better fit and will be a better value in terms of acquisition cost.

The catch is, I feel like neither trade is an actual possibility.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
While I still think Simmons is a tremendous player, I have to admit I am getting talked into the idea that Siakam is both a better fit and will be a better value in terms of acquisition cost.

The catch is, I feel like neither trade is an actual possibility.
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I'd think both trades are possibilities. I also don't think Olshey would come close to paying the price to complete either deal
 
Kings are interested in Siakam and have made an offer (unknown players).

An opening offer could be Heild, Bagley, and a FRP. Toronto wouldn't want that and would probably ask for Haliburton.
 
speeds said:
Kings are interested in Siakam and have made an offer (unknown players).

An opening offer could be Heild, Bagley, and a FRP. Toronto wouldn't want that and would probably ask for Haliburton.
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I secretly hope the blazers are waiting for siakim to be off the table so the 76ers have a reality check for what they want for Simmons.
 
julius said:
I secretly hope the blazers are waiting for siakim to be off the table so the 76ers have a reality check for what they want for Simmons.
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who do you think is in bigger need of a reality check:

* Morey on Simmons value over the last 2 months

or

* Olshey on CJ's value over the last 6 years

seems like everybody is assuming the holdup is Morey's value of Simmons. I think it's just as likely, if not more, due to Olshey's view of CJ
 
wizenheimer said:
who do you think is in bigger need of a reality check:

* Morey on Simmons value over the last 2 months

or

* Olshey on CJ's value over the last 6 years

seems like everybody is assuming the holdup is Morey's value of Simmons. I think it's just as likely, if not more, due to Olshey's view of CJ
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Its obvious Morey high balled the player as even other org's have balked at the ridiculous asking price. I agree too that Neil may cover CJ and be reluctant to let him go but I think he would for the right power forward.
 
Hoopguru said:
Its obvious Morey high balled the player as even other org's have balked at the ridiculous asking price. I agree too that Neil may cover CJ and be reluctant to let him go but I think he would for the right power forward.
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sure...this is some olshey-induced pessimism on my part but I believe Olshey would rather trade Dame than CJ. And Seattle would back that
 
wizenheimer said:
sure...this is some olshey-induced pessimism on my part but I believe Olshey would rather trade Dame than CJ. And Seattle would back that
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Seattle would back it no doubt in my mind.
 
wizenheimer said:
who do you think is in bigger need of a reality check:

* Morey on Simmons value over the last 2 months

or

* Olshey on CJ's value over the last 6 years

seems like everybody is assuming the holdup is Morey's value of Simmons. I think it's just as likely, if not more, due to Olshey's view of CJ
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I can think they both need a reality check. But one guy basically burned his bridge in his city, a city known for having little patience or tolerant fans...and choked on a NATIONAL stage. The other is just short and shitty at defense.
 
tykendo said:
Morey and Neil are in a conundrum. Both need to shake things up to appease their Biggest stars. The quality trade partners for a player to complement said stars are drying up. I think Simmons gets traded for CJ. There may be some players added going back & forth , and a draft pick thrown in, but i think it gets done.
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Me too. In my mind the odds are about 80% that CJ gets traded, along with other assets, and about 80% the trade is for either Simmons or Siakam.

As others have said, Philly is probably a better fit for CJ than Toronto. I think Neil and Morey have been talking about this trade since the season ended. Once the staring contest is over, I hope Olshey goes ahead and overpays (we're Portland). I think that most likely we end up with Simmons.

Olshey isn't done. He can't be.

:cheers:
 
Hoopguru said:
Either one would be super but Siakam makes more since to me as we need a scoring four that can also defend. I just think Siakam is expendable more now. Morey doesn't want to be the guy that trades Simmons away for non allstar player plus he has Maxie of which they are high on. Bet it Siakam, they have that position covered and need to replace the guard they just traded.
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I would love that. I think Siakam is a better fit, but I think Simmons is more likely.

:cheers:
 
BonesJones said:
He'll no. You take Siakam for solid value before you ever cave into given up every pick for a guy who can't shoot outside of 3 feet... It's not that complicated. The dude is allergic to any shot outside of a layup or dunk. You will NEVER contend with your #3 guy being a "perimeter" player who can't make shit outside of 3 feet. You will never contend with your #2 not being able to play of your #1. The dude has a shitty attitude and doesn't work on his game. The dude chokes in big moments in the playoffs. ONE shot in six 4th quarters against the Hawks. That's one shot in 44 minutes. And people think this gut is the #2 on a championship team that they'd give up CJ and every pick for him instead of CJ and a pick or two for Siakam?
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You underrate Simmons. He had a bad few games against Hawks, yes, but that doesn’t define him. Remember when Embiid got hurt and Simmons led the Sixers on a 16 game win streak? It’s why he won rookie of the year over Donovan Mitchell. He’s the best defender in the league too. Embiid missed a playoff game in 2019 and Simmons had 31/9. However, when SIMMONS missed the 2020 playoffs, the Sixers got swept. Simmons is a major impact player. Honestly, Sixers should keep Simmons, surround him with shooters, and trade Embiid. Truth.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
You underrate Simmons. He had a bad few games against Hawks, yes, but that doesn’t define him. Remember when Embiid got hurt and Simmons led the Sixers on a 16 game win streak? It’s why he won rookie of the year over Donovan Mitchell. He’s the best defender in the league too. Embiid missed a playoff game in 2019 and Simmons had 31/9. However, when SIMMONS missed the 2020 playoffs, the Sixers got swept. Simmons is a major impact player. Honestly, Sixers should keep Simmons, surround him with shooters, and trade Embiid. Truth.
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I mean I partly agree with your comment (I would not trade Embiid anywhere even if is health can be become problem again and again) that Simmons more often showed his skills/value than his downsides/bad games.
 
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