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Who would you rather the Blazers trade for Siakam or Simmons

  • Pascal Siakam

    Votes: 50 56.2%

  • Ben Simmons

    Votes: 39 43.8%
  • Total voters
    89
Not that I’m an expert but looking at his form he doesn’t extend his left arm fully kind of short arms it which could be why he’s so inconsistent.
 
Raps won't listen to a package that doesn't include Haliburton and the Clippers don't have the assets. On top of that the source in the article says Siakam doesn't want to be traded.

Siakam's not getting dealt.
 
All of these trades scenarios are just that. Nothing concrete. First off, you're not trading a generation talent for anything but a "and the kitchen sink" compensation package. Simmons is not a generational talent. Portland would want Simmons, Siakam, and picks in a return package. Not a bunch of unproven youngins, that absolutely don't fit the timeline of your other good players. I don't see why Golden State would want Simmons, unless they're ready to ship Green away. Toronto does seem to be in rebuild mode so a Simmins to Toronto deal makes sense for them, but not for Philly. So what we have is a J Geils Band situation. You love her, but she loves him, but he loves somebody else, you just can't win. The only way i see this work is If CJ is involved. CJ, and 2021 draft picks (GS) to Philly , Simmons to GS, Green to Portland. That works for everyone. Without being delusional.
 
Siakam's huge dip in three-point shooting last season would concern me a lot, considering that's the only thing he theoretically does better than Simmons, while Simmons is much better than Siakam at essentially everything else. Shooting is a huge deal in this era, so if Siakam is back to shooting like it's 2019/2020, then that does even things out a lot.
 
No way golden state would trade for Simmons without also trading Draymond, those two could never work together. Could get a three way going with Draymond to Portland and CJ to Philly.
 
Scalma said:
No way golden state would trade for Simmons without also trading Draymond, those two could never work together. Could get a three way going with Draymond to Portland and CJ to Philly.
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GSW GETS:

Ben Simmons
Derrick Jones Jr
CJ Elleby
Future 2nd

PHI Gets:

CJ McCollum
Jonathan Kuminga
Moses Moody
2 future 1sts
2 future swaps

POR GETS:

Draymond Green
James Wiseman
Seth Curry
 
Chris Craig said:
GSW GETS:

Ben Simmons
Derrick Jones Jr
CJ Elleby
Future 2nd

PHI Gets:

CJ McCollum
Jonathan Kuminga
Moses Moody
2 future 1sts
2 future swaps

POR GETS:

Draymond Green
James Wiseman
Seth Curry
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If Golden State is trading Green (which I doubt they would), they're not also trading Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody (and more first-rounders, if those first-rounders are supposed to come from Golden State).

Golden State already turned down that deal for Simmons (Wiseman, both lottery picks this year--since it was before the draft--and two future first rounders). Now you're suggesting a deal where they give up everything they already refused to do plus Draymond Green. That's obviously not going to happen.

If they decided to trade Green (which would be very hard for them to do, chemistry-wise), maybe they'd add a couple future first-rounders. Green would obviously have to be the main return of what they're sending out.
 
Minstrel said:
If Golden State is trading Green (which I doubt they would), they're not also trading Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody (and more first-rounders, if those first-rounders are supposed to come from Golden State).

Golden State already turned down that deal for Simmons (Wiseman, both lottery picks this year--since it was before the draft--and two future first rounders). Now you're suggesting a deal where they give up everything they already refused to do plus Draymond Green. That's obviously not going to happen.

If they decided to trade Green (which would be very hard for them to do, chemistry-wise), maybe they'd add a couple future first-rounders. Green would obviously have to be the main return of what they're sending out.
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Blazers would be sending some of the picks if not all.

If GSW is getting Simmons, The 76ers get what they want, the Blazers get there's too.

Maybe take out one of Kuminga or Moody
 
Chris Craig said:
Blazers would be sending some of the picks if not all.

If GSW is getting Simmons, The 76ers get what they want, the Blazers get there's too.

Maybe take out one of Kuminga or Moody
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Sure as hell better than those moronic Dame trades put on this site. All teams in this get good comp. But in those stupid Dame versions, PDX get's the schlong.
 
tykendo said:
Sure as hell better than those moronic Dame trades put on this site. All teams in this get good comp. But in those stupid Dame versions, PDX get's the schlong.
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And it makes Dame happy getting Draymond to play with
 
tykendo said:
Sure as hell better than those moronic Dame trades put on this site. All teams in this get good comp. But in those stupid Dame versions, PDX get's the schlong.
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if the Blazers are 'forced' to trade Dame I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the return
 
tykendo said:
All of these trades scenarios are just that. Nothing concrete. First off, you're not trading a generation talent for anything but a "and the kitchen sink" compensation package. Simmons is not a generational talent. Portland would want Simmons, Siakam, and picks in a return package. Not a bunch of unproven youngins, that absolutely don't fit the timeline of your other good players. I don't see why Golden State would want Simmons, unless they're ready to ship Green away. Toronto does seem to be in rebuild mode so a Simmins to Toronto deal makes sense for them, but not for Philly. So what we have is a J Geils Band situation. You love her, but she loves him, but he loves somebody else, you just can't win. The only way i see this work is If CJ is involved. CJ, and 2021 draft picks (GS) to Philly , Simmons to GS, Green to Portland. That works for everyone. Without being delusional.
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i like Green and especially as a fit. Id rather have Simmons though and its not even remotely close. I also sure as fuck don't want to help Golden State by giving them a 25 year old who is the best perimeter defender in the league. Thats the worst part of that trade. People don't seem to understand the difference between Simmons in Philadelphia vs Simmons in Portland. Embiid and Lillard are as different as they come. We want Simmons and you guys will understand why when you see him next to Dame next season in the Red and Black.
 
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Chris Craig said:
GSW GETS:

Ben Simmons
Derrick Jones Jr
CJ Elleby
Future 2nd

PHI Gets:

CJ McCollum
Jonathan Kuminga
Moses Moody
2 future 1sts
2 future swaps

POR GETS:

Draymond Green
James Wiseman
Seth Curry
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Ok now THIS is something. We can then trade Nurk for whatever we need with Wiseman coming in. CJ for just Draymond is actually bad value and CJ plus picks for Draymond is even worse.
 
Chris Craig said:
GSW GETS:

Ben Simmons
Derrick Jones Jr
CJ Elleby
Future 2nd

PHI Gets:

CJ McCollum
Jonathan Kuminga
Moses Moody
2 future 1sts
2 future swaps

POR GETS:

Draymond Green
James Wiseman
Seth Curry
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GS gets hosed in that deal
 
Idog1976 said:
Ok now THIS is something. We can then trade Nurk for whatever we need with Wiseman coming in. CJ for just Draymond is actually bad value and CJ plus picks for Draymond is even worse.
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I'd rather keep nurk and have Wiseman learn for another year, personally. Unless you did mean this and I apologize lol.
 
Chris Craig said:
They get Simmons. That's the cost apparently.
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That's not the cost if Golden State deals directly with Philly. By adding Portland to the deal, you're making the deal even worse for Golden State. I don't think there would be a three-way deal and, honestly, I don't think I've heard any rumors that Morey is even interested in CJ. Philly is hoping (futilely, IMO) that Lillard will come available--that's why Portland is even in the conversation.
 
Minstrel said:
That's not the cost if Golden State deals directly with Philly. By adding Portland to the deal, you're making the deal even worse for Golden State. I don't think there would be a three-way deal and, honestly, I don't think I've heard any rumors that Morey is even interested in CJ. Philly is hoping (futilely, IMO) that Lillard will come available--that's why Portland is even in the conversation.
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Naw the core deal has always been CJ for Simmons. Dame stuff is a Philadelphia pipe dream that will end any day now. They don't have a choice and CJ is easily the best fit of available options on Embiid’s timeline unless they are ready to blow it up and start over.

Everyone's justified hatred of Olshey and CJ has given them a warped sense of things. Simmons is worth far more than CJ in a vacuum, but with fit next to Embiid, availability, and ticking time bomb urgency, it’s gonna be CJ plus young guys and picks. Morey is just holding out for the best possible deal. If Siakam is off the table I believe CJ is easily the best potential that the Sixers can get.

There is some concern that Olshey is clinically insane and overvalues CJ. That is something that concerns me. Because if there is a deal for CJ plus picks and a young guy for Simmons you do it right fucking now.
 
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Minstrel said:
That's not the cost if Golden State deals directly with Philly. By adding Portland to the deal, you're making the deal even worse for Golden State. I don't think there would be a three-way deal and, honestly, I don't think I've heard any rumors that Morey is even interested in CJ. Philly is hoping (futilely, IMO) that Lillard will come available--that's why Portland is even in the conversation.
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The cost is more if they deal directly with PHI. We're doing them a favor.

We are sending picks to PHI to offset that cost

Fine...

PHI GETS:

CJ McCollum
Cj Elleby
One of Kuminga or Moody
2 future 1sts (from Por)
2 future swaps (from GSW)

GSW Gets:

Ben Simmons
Derrick Jones Jr
Tyrese Maxey
Future 2nd

POR Gets:

Draymond Green
James Wiseman
Seth Curry
 
Idog1976 said:
Naw the core deal has always been CJ for Simmons.
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For Portland fans, sure. Again, I've heard nothing to suggest Morey has any interest in CJ. I definitely think Morey holds onto Simmons rather than agree to getting a player he doesn't value much.

Chris Craig said:
The cost is more if they deal directly with PHI. We're doing them a favor.
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The cost is much higher in your proposed deal. You're basically taking the deal Morey offered Golden State, that a lot of people (not just Golden State) laughed off as absurd, and replaced Wiggins with Green, a much more valuable player--removing Moody or Kuminga doesn't really make up for that.

If Portland gives up Green, they're not really giving up much more than that. I don't think Philadelphia considers CJ worth Simmons, nor do I think Golden State considers CJ to be worth Green. So you're basically hoping Golden State makes up the difference to get a much more valuable player to...Portland. That doesn't make sense.
 
Minstrel said:
For Portland fans, sure. Again, I've heard nothing to suggest Morey has any interest in CJ. I definitely think Morey holds onto Simmons rather than agree to getting a player he doesn't value much.

The cost is much higher in your proposed deal. You're basically taking the deal Morey offered Golden State, that a lot of people (not just Golden State) laughed off as absurd, and replaced Wiggins with Green, a much more valuable player--removing Moody or Kuminga doesn't really make up for that.

If Portland gives up Green, they're not really giving up much more than that. I don't think Philadelphia considers CJ worth Simmons, nor do I think Golden State considers CJ to be worth Green. So you're basically hoping Golden State makes up the difference to get a much more valuable player to...Portland. That doesn't make sense.
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Agree. I think Morey just looks if someone is ready to make a dumb trade. Nevertheless, I am quite unsure in how far Simmons is seen as a really valuable player in Philly. Still have the feeling that they will trade him if he and Embiid can not overcome their differences during the season (I think Morey will do something in this case and also has to consider CJ - but I also doubt that a one-for-one trade will happen as Simmons standing is much higher/better).
 
Yeah, Simmons is a tough player to build around, for all his tremendous talent. You pretty much need 3-4 shooters around him (preferably four) and for Simmons to be the main ball-handler. Funny enough, while I don't think Portland should trade Lillard for him, I actually think Simmons fits reasonably well alongside CJ. CJ is also a tough fit, since he doesn't have the size to defend any position but point guard but he's not someone you want to play the actual point guard position full-time. Simmons allows CJ to defend the point guard position while not actually playing point guard (since Simmons would effectively do that). So it's funny to me that, on this forum, they're being discussed as a trade for each other.
 
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