Slightly OT: How is Bryant Gumbel not fired for his comments about David Stern?

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Fine...he's a third world dictator, rather than a plantation overseer. He may be a corrupt, mentally deranged POS....but heaven forbid somebody suggest he is a bigot!
 
It's HBO. No one gives a shit about what people say on that channel.

It was a stupid thing to say, but I don't think it's a fireable offense.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It's HBO. No one gives a shit about what people say on that channel.

It was a stupid thing to say, but I don't think it's a fireable offense.
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Really? So if Craig Sager came out and said "all black NBA players are slaves and they should just accept it". Would that be ok?
 
Fire him? That comment makes him the frontrunner for the Jimmy The Greek sensitivity award.
 
This isn't the first time he's been called this.

I'd gladly be a "slave" -- they get the best trainers, 4-star hotels, food, millions to play a game...

In short, STFU Gumbel!
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This isn't the first time he's been called this.

I'd gladly be a "slave" -- they get the best trainers, 4-star hotels, food, millions to play a game...

In short, STFU Gumbel!
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No shit, not to mention a sick per diem, and chartered flights.

If I'm an owner, I'd propose a 51-49 split for the players, but teams would have to go back to the days of flying commercial, bunking double in hotels, and meals would cover a continental breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and Red Lobster on off days for dinner. Game day spreads would be catered by The Sizzler in a conference room at the hotel, and then the school bus would leave for the arena 3 hours prior to the game.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This isn't the first time he's been called this.

I'd gladly be a "slave" -- they get the best trainers, 4-star hotels, food, millions to play a game...

In short, STFU Gumbel!
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I think Stern would act similiar if the NBA were predominately white (being the old man that complains about the younger generation not having values) and tire of every issue involving blacks being talked of as slavery.
 
It's an accurate assessment of Stern, so I have no problem with the statement.

The problem is when whites get fired for making similarly accurate assessments of people of any other race.
 
I think that Stephen A. Smith, of all people, had this one right.

David Stern is arrogant b/c he thinks he's smarter than everyone else, not b/c he's racist or thinks that black people are stupider than anyone else not named David Stern. Ryan Ruesillo told a story about how Chad Ford was talking to Stern about a story involving some salary cap details. Stern basically attempted to dismiss Ford (who's one of the more in-the-know NBA insiders and a smart guy) by opining that it wouldn't be worth it, as Ford wouldn't understand the legalese. Ford basically said..."I've got a J.D. in International Law and have covered the NBA for 15 years...why don't you try me?"
 
That must be one helluva plantation Stern is running where the "slaves" all drive Bentley's and can't be fired without being paid their full salary

Stern's definitely a fucking douche-bag, but this fucking slavery reference by a rich black guy who's been rich (or at least well off his whole life -- Gumbel's father was a judge) is garbage.
 
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There are 30 owners and over 400 players.

No single owner should be making more money than their 15 players combined.
 
Sorry but the owners run real companies and are far more responsible with money on average. Why should someone in the real world not make more money than a basketball player? Only a handful of players deserve a raise.
 
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Didn't Adrian Peterson basically say the same thing about the Nfl owners during that lockout? It's really a stupid comparison considering athletes make so much money, and can walk away when ever they want.
 
superstars can leave
even scrubs can walk away
owners are their slaves
 
Link to evidence, not a anecdote, that owners waste less money than players on average? You do know that many veterans own several small businesses, don't you?
 
MARIS61 said:
There are 30 owners and over 400 players.

No single owner should be making more money than their 15 players combined.
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Using that logic, if the owner only clears $15 million in a year, should the players share $7.5 million for their season of work? Or, in the many years Paul Allen lost money on the Blazers, should the players also have had to lose money on the season?
 
Look, it's been rehashed, but worth saying again based on some of the responses.

2010-11 profit: PLayers, ~$2B
owners, ~ NEGATIVE $180-300M

THAT's the situation the owners want to rectify. They don't have to subsidize a basketball league, when instead they can just wait to crush a union until the profits are on their side as well. They just had the most lucrative season in history and lost money. One cannot logically think that the owners were going to continue to let that happen.
 
PapaG said:
If I'm an owner, I'd propose a 51-49 split for the players, but teams would have to go back to the days of flying commercial, bunking double in hotels, and meals would cover a continental breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and Red Lobster on off days for dinner. Game day spreads would be catered by The Sizzler in a conference room at the hotel, and then the school bus would leave for the arena 3 hours prior to the game.
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I was thinking about something similar to this too. What if they went with the 53/47, but the cost of player-specific expenses like team-flights, hotels, and meals were deducted off the top of the BRI figure?
 
PapaG said:
No shit, not to mention a sick per diem, and chartered flights.

If I'm an owner, I'd propose a 51-49 split for the players, but teams would have to go back to the days of flying commercial, bunking double in hotels, and meals would cover a continental breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and Red Lobster on off days for dinner. Game day spreads would be catered by The Sizzler in a conference room at the hotel, and then the school bus would leave for the arena 3 hours prior to the game.
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Fucking sweet, I would love to see these brats agree to that. :D
 
When the NFL went to a hard cap, they balanced the cap/lower salaries/nonguaranteed deals with concessions on other issues (eg pensions and FA rules). In other words, it was a give-and-take situation.

What are the NBA owners offering? Maybe they should try *negotiating* instead of bullying and ultimatums. (wow, what a concept!)
 
oldmangrouch said:
When the NFL went to a hard cap, they balanced the cap/lower salaries/nonguaranteed deals with concessions on other issues (eg pensions and FA rules). In other words, it was a give-and-take situation.

What are the NBA owners offering? Maybe they should try *negotiating* instead of bullying and ultimatums. (wow, what a concept!)
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Maybe they are!
 
BrianFromWA said:
Look, it's been rehashed, but worth saying again based on some of the responses.

2010-11 profit: PLayers, ~$2B
owners, ~ NEGATIVE $180-300M
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That $2B is not profit. You are forgetting that, as Mr. Sprewell reminded us, they have to feed their families.

barfo
 
BBert said:
Really? Why?
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They are the game off basketball. End of story.

Without them the owners are nothing. How much would you pay to watch the owners? Would you ever have heard most of their names if not for the players? Even now, without looking them up, how many owners can you name? 30? No. Maybe 6 or 7. They don't matter. If the 4 who are too talentless at business to be able to turn a profit with an NBA team have to fold up their tents the NBA will be far better for it and a damn sight more exciting to watch. There are at least 60 players in the league who aren't NBA caliber so let the weak teams fail and the league will get stronger.

You'd think we'd have learned something about the futility of bailing out failed businesses by now.
 
MARIS61 said:
They are the game off basketball. End of story.

Without them the owners are nothing. How much would you pay to watch the owners? Would you ever have heard most of their names if not for the players? Even now, without looking them up, how many owners can you name? 30? No. Maybe 6 or 7. They don't matter. If the 4 who are too talentless at business to be able to turn a profit with an NBA team have to fold up their tents the NBA will be far better for it and a damn sight more exciting to watch. There are at least 60 players in the league who aren't NBA caliber so let the weak teams fail and the league will get stronger.

You'd think we'd have learned something about the futility of bailing out failed businesses by now.
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You should take a look at some of the comments made by NFL owners. Basically guys like Jerry Jones were saying that they will owners long after the players playing now are still players. In other words, shut the fuck up, help us out or we will simply get new players and start building the league up again. To say the owners are nothing without the players is a wrong statement. The players might be the ones we show up to watch, but they aren't the one's paying for the building, lights, concession workers, janitors, parking guys, refs, coaches, balls, trainers, etc.

If there needed to be a new NBA, some players would likely cross over to play in it because the money and perks would be so much better. New college graduates would enter the league each year as well. Looking at the big picture, the players need the owners a whole hell of a lot more than the owners need the current players
 
Shoot Gumbo is bitching about nothing. I think Stern should take the NBA back to the days when teams could just sell players when they didn't work out.
The Blazers got rid of Sidney Wicks that way, no need to hang on to piss poor performers until the end of their contract.
Blazers won a championship the next year, never would have happened with that dude stifling the team.
Yes, the coach said dump the dude and shazam, he's gone!
 
MarAzul said:
Shoot Gumbo is bitching about nothing. I think Stern should take the NBA back to the days when teams could just sell players when they didn't work out.
The Blazers got rid of Sidney Wicks that way, no need to hang on to piss poor performers until the end of their contract.
Blazers won a championship the next year, never would have happened with that dude stifling the team.
Yes, the coach said dump the dude and shazam, he's gone!
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The players would probably have no problem with that proposal as long as it included giving players the right to cancel their contract and go to any other team that wanted them if the player was disappointed in the team's performance.
 
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