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yeah, I know, this season still has plenty to resolve

then, apparently, a short off-season. But will next season even begin this year? And will it be all 30 teams in a bubble? That's a big bubble
 
yeah, I know, this season still has plenty to resolve

then, apparently, a short off-season. But will next season even begin this year? And will it be all 30 teams in a bubble? That's a big bubble
I don't think there is any way the upcoming season starts in 2020. Adam Silver has already said that their previous planned start date has been pushed back indefinitely and I don't think the NBA can function as a business model without every seat being available in every arena... I just don't think it works unless every player is willing to make their guaranteed contracts null and void, which I sincerely doubt they would do. I really don't know what the solution is but I don't think they will come up with it and enact it before the end of the year.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/what-we-know-about-the-2020-21-nba-season/
 
this isn't really on topic I suppose but I hear Dame had injured his knee, but I haven't heard what the injury was?
 
this isn't really on topic I suppose but I hear Dame had injured his knee, but I haven't heard what the injury was?
A sprain to the outside ligament. No surgery required. 4-8 weeks of rest I believe.
 
We are looking at January probably February 2021
 
Silver Say’s “if we have to delay the start to put People in the stands, that what we will do”.
With that I would guess Feb 1 start.
 
Probably 2 bubbles Disney for the Eastern conference, Vegas for western conference
 
Silver Say’s “if we have to delay the start to put People in the stands, that what we will do”.
With that I would guess Feb 1 start.

By then, maybe you can social distance fans in the stands, with half full arenas
 
Will they increase ticket prices with fewer fans in arena?

Yes

And prices for alcohol and concessions, not to mention merchandise
 
thanks guys....Saturday we drove down to Lakview for provisions and fuel....about a 90 minute trip. I picked up a paper from the region. All it said was Dame left the bubble because of a knee injury in the closing minutes of a bad loss. Shit oh shit said I

good to know it wasn't something like an ACL

bad to know the Blazers got blasted again, and by the fucking lakers again
 
thanks guys....Saturday we drove down to Lakview for provisions and fuel....about a 90 minute trip. I picked up a paper from the region. All it said was Dame left the bubble because of a knee injury in the closing minutes of a bad loss. Shit oh shit said I

good to know it wasn't something like an ACL

bad to know the Blazers got blasted again, and by the fucking lakers again

Yeah, adding insult to injury for real
 
So, as far as the start goes, a whole bunch of opinions and basically no facts. Situation normal for S2. ;)
I don't think there is any way the upcoming season starts in 2020. Adam Silver has already said that their previous planned start date has been pushed back indefinitely and I don't think the NBA can function as a business model without every seat being available in every arena... I just don't think it works unless every player is willing to make their guaranteed contracts null and void, which I sincerely doubt they would do. I really don't know what the solution is but I don't think they will come up with it and enact it before the end of the year.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/what-we-know-about-the-2020-21-nba-season/

There's an article with direct quotes from the most important person involved. Obviously he doesn't have a hard date but these are the most current facts. No NBA without live attendance seems to be the most factual statement.
 
I don't think there is any way the upcoming season starts in 2020. Adam Silver has already said that their previous planned start date has been pushed back indefinitely and I don't think the NBA can function as a business model without every seat being available in every arena... I just don't think it works unless every player is willing to make their guaranteed contracts null and void, which I sincerely doubt they would do. I really don't know what the solution is but I don't think they will come up with it and enact it before the end of the year.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/what-we-know-about-the-2020-21-nba-season/

It definitely can survive as a business model without every seat available or require all contracts void. Now it's of course easier if they dont lose revenue. Id imagine players and owners will each give up something big to avoid $0 of income. They can agree to take some % less guaranteed salary or create a fund to repay it in future years or something.

Yes owners and players may have to agree to something they dont totally like. If they can delay a few months to boost revenue they will. I just find it much more likely they end up agreeing on something once months are going by and both owners+players have $0 income. Neither group likes that at all. Usually players break first, but this time owners also have problems with ongoing expenses they can't get out of and some have very struggling other businesses in their portfolio.
 
It definitely can survive as a business model without every seat available or require all contracts void. Now it's of course easier if they dont lose revenue. Id imagine players and owners will each give up something big to avoid $0 of income. They can agree to take some % less guaranteed salary or create a fund to repay it in future years or something.

Yes owners and players may have to agree to something they dont totally like. If they can delay a few months to boost revenue they will. I just find it much more likely they end up agreeing on something once months are going by and both owners+players have $0 income. Neither group likes that at all. Usually players break first, but this time owners also have problems with ongoing expenses they can't get out of and some have very struggling other businesses in their portfolio.
I don't know if the players with guaranteed contracts will agree to play 82 games for less than the 90% they are guaranteed. The NBA has the right to withhold 10% in case league revenue doesn't measure up but when these contracts were signed that is all that was negotiated as insurance for the owners. If the league is only getting half of their normal live fan attendance revenue (and that won't be socially distanced, 1/4 attendance would be more likely to meet social distancing) they would lose 20% of league revenue... so the 10% they are allowed to withhold won't come close to making up the difference... they'd be billions apart and I just don't see the players giving up what has already been legally agreed to and binding. The owners can rip up the CBA but they can't rip up the contracts... I think they'd have to declare bankruptcy to get out of paying existing guaranteed contracts.
 
I don't know if the players with guaranteed contracts will agree to play 82 games for less than the 90% they are guaranteed. The NBA has the right to withhold 10% in case league revenue doesn't measure up but when these contracts were signed that is all that was negotiated as insurance for the owners. If the league is only getting half of their normal live fan attendance revenue (and that won't be socially distanced, 1/4 attendance would be more likely to meet social distancing) they would lose 20% of league revenue... so the 10% they are allowed to withhold won't come close to making up the difference... they'd be billions apart and I just don't see the players giving up what has already been legally agreed to and binding. The owners can rip up the CBA but they can't rip up the contracts... I think they'd have to declare bankruptcy to get out of paying existing guaranteed contracts.
Players aren't going to like some thing and owners wont like others. Players will also have different groups, guys on contracts vs free agents. We might see sides threaten to not play or cancel the season. Ultimately I dont think things get delayed too many months as those sides get desperate when $0 is coming in and demands will change. Who knows though, we will see.
 
Players aren't going to like some thing and owners wont like others. Players will also have different groups, guys on contracts vs free agents. We might see sides threaten to not play or cancel the season. Ultimately I dont think things get delayed too many months as those sides get desperate when $0 is coming in and demands will change. Who knows though, we will see.
Then Silver is just posturing when he says he won't start the season without fans or do you think 1/4 of the fans will make it worth it? Again, as a union I don't think the players can afford to go the way of the NFL and just allow their contracts to be negated... it sets a dangerous precedent. Maybe I'm wrong and the players say, "Just this one time, for this season only, you can not pay us what you are legally bound to pay us but play us all 82 games and we'll do that for the good of the league." That just doesn't sound like a plausible thing to me but who knows.
 
There's an article with direct quotes from the most important person involved. Obviously he doesn't have a hard date but these are the most current facts. No NBA without live attendance seems to be the most factual statement.

As a season ticket holder, the Blazers surveyed me about two months ago about what it would take to get me to feel safe back in the arena: Every other seat seating, temperature checks, mandatory masks? etc. My answer, no, no, no. I'm high-risk and don't see how I can go back until Covid is over. People walking up and down the aisles, yelling, sneezing, coughing, shouting, sweating...

I don't see it. You?
 
Then Silver is just posturing when he says he won't start the season without fans or do you think 1/4 of the fans will make it worth it? Again, as a union I don't think the players can afford to go the way of the NFL and just allow their contracts to be negated... it sets a dangerous precedent. Maybe I'm wrong and the players say, "Just this one time, for this season only, you can not pay us what you are legally bound to pay us but play us all 82 games and we'll do that for the good of the league." That just doesn't sound like a plausible thing to me but who knows.

They of course want as many fans as possible. First post I replied of yours you said they need 100% fans, I totally disagree with that. If it came down in many months to either 25% fans or no games I think they do 25%... obviously they want more.

I'm not an attorney so dont know exactly how these contracts work... My understanding is there is a lot of flexibility to agree on many detailed allocations, reserves, other changes in a new CBA. I am a CPA and better understand business decisions. If players are hard lined then owners will say no season. Owners have a lot of expenses players dont so they wont be ok paying full salaries many expenses and losing huge revenue.

Ultimately I think each group gets some good stuff and gives up something they dont want and we have games start between Dec-Feb.
 
I want to lock in Gabriel with Dame and CJ and get him to work on his shot non stop. His upside is enourmous but he needsto add range.
 
As a season ticket holder, the Blazers surveyed me about two months ago about what it would take to get me to feel safe back in the arena: Every other seat seating, temperature checks, mandatory masks? etc. My answer, no, no, no. I'm high-risk and don't see how I can go back until Covid is over. People walking up and down the aisles, yelling, sneezing, coughing, shouting, sweating...

I don't see it. You?
I really don't see it at all. Cutting it down to 25% still means thousands of people indoors together. According to every guideline and study that I've seen that sort of thing is considered a super spreader. I don't see the league having fans in attendance until there is a vaccine and it is administered to almost everyone, especially everyone who is high risk. I don't see that being done any time soon. It's just too big of a risk for the league and individual teams to take. No one wants to have the blood of dead fans on their hands because sports were more important than human life. I understand that you are high-risk and that deters you from wanting to attend but anyone that does attend and is infected then becomes someone that could unknowingly spread the virus to you and other high-risk people. Then you have Adam Silver saying that he doesn't want to start the next season until there can be fans. It's all a lot to try to wrap my head around.
 
They of course want as many fans as possible. First post I replied of yours you said they need 100% fans, I totally disagree with that. If it came down in many months to either 25% fans or no games I think they do 25%... obviously they want more.

I'm not an attorney so dont know exactly how these contracts work... My understanding is there is a lot of flexibility to agree on many detailed allocations, reserves, other changes in a new CBA. I am a CPA and better understand business decisions. If players are hard lined then owners will say no season. Owners have a lot of expenses players dont so they wont be ok paying full salaries many expenses and losing huge revenue.

Ultimately I think each group gets some good stuff and gives up something they dont want and we have games start between Dec-Feb.
I think you may be right but I don't think fans will be in attendance if games start that soon. They'll figure something out like the multiple mini bubbles idea and get things going again but both sides are going to have to make some very financially painful concessions. The alternative though is to have zero income and I just don't think that makes sense for either side. The thing I wonder about is how the negotiations will go. Do they end up with a season to season CBA until this virus/disease achieves some sort of herd immunity? What is the revenue split going to look like that will allow both sides to fulfill already existing unavoidable financial obligations? Many games have been lost to work stoppage in this league and others in far far more hospitable environments for negotiations. We'll just see how things go.
 
I really don't see it at all. Cutting it down to 25% still means thousands of people indoors together. According to every guideline and study that I've seen that sort of thing is considered a super spreader. I don't see the league having fans in attendance until there is a vaccine and it is administered to almost everyone, especially everyone who is high risk. I don't see that being done any time soon. It's just too big of a risk for the league and individual teams to take. No one wants to have the blood of dead fans on their hands because sports were more important than human life. I understand that you are high-risk and that deters you from wanting to attend but anyone that does attend and is infected then becomes someone that could unknowingly spread the virus to you and other high-risk people. Then you have Adam Silver saying that he doesn't want to start the next season until there can be fans. It's all a lot to try to wrap my head around.

Silver says he wants to start in January and play a full season and he wants to have games with fans in attendance. There won’t be a widely available vaccine until March or April at the earliest. Throw in the Olympics and you can see that something is going to have to give. Even if American NBA players step back from the US Olympic team, are international players going to be willing or able to do that? Then there’s the possibility/probability that the owners are going to play hardball with players on the CBA. I have no idea how this is going to work out.
 
Silver says he wants to start in January and play a full season and he wants to have games with fans in attendance. There won’t be a widely available vaccine until March or April at the earliest. Throw in the Olympics and you can see that something is going to have to give. Even if American NBA players step back from the US Olympic team, are international players going to be willing or able to do that? Then there’s the possibility/probability that the owners are going to play hardball with players on the CBA. I have no idea how this is going to work out.
They should play a whole season imo. I guess for most their job isn't essential as most a millionaires. I was with my wife yesterday at Coscto than I dragged her to Home Depot and both places were packed out.
I would think they would limit the amount of fans for sd but not sure?
 

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