So are we trading with Charlotte?

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Here's my dream trade scenario: Trade Machine

Helps all three teams.
NJ gets Wallace and Wilkins who can help solidify the SF spot and are good defenders.
Charlotte gets a veteran PG in Watson to play with Augustine and teach him the ropes and a big in Wilcox that can take pressure off Okafor and get out of Wallace's long term deal.
OKC gets out of the Wilkins and Watson deals and get a starting PG in Felton, a big man prospect in Williams, a shooter in Carroll (that they desperately need) and an expiring in Swift. They save $3.9mm next season.

No comments on this trade? Just read a story on how bad OKC is and the fans were booing them last night. They need to do something before they start losing their brand new fan base (starting with a uniform re-design would really help).

 

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Our ideal SF, in addition to the stuff mentioned, should also be an athlete who thrives on the break. When Devin is pushing the ball 1 on 2, 1 on 3, 1 on 4, 1 on 100, it'd be nice if someone besides a big (Sean, Boone, Yi) consistently ran with him.

As we all know, Vince ain't ever running, but that's not the end of the world, because he serves other purposes offensively. Simmons serves none, and he doesn't run/isn't built for running.

Wallace on the other hand... that could be nice.

Devin is at his best when he is relentlessly pushing the ball and attacking, and it's no coincidence that this is also when we've been the best as a team this season. Having someone along side him besides the aforementioned bigs would be sweet.

It's the reason Frank is yelling "LET'S GO!!!!" like a nut job all game. We win when we "go." Our SF should be someone who is built for "going" and actually "goes" without having to have it screamed at him every possession.

 

[Dumpy]

No comments on this trade? Just read a story on how bad OKC is and the fans were booing them last night. They need to do something before they start losing their brand new fan base (starting with a uniform re-design would really help).

Picking up Wallace for Sean, Stro and Hassell would be ridiculous. It would leave the Nets a little thin up front, but they'd have an open roster spot to pick up a free agent big man.

If given the choise, though, I'd rather get rid of Simmons.

 

[Dumpy]

Our ideal SF, in addition to the stuff mentioned, should also be an athlete who thrives on the break. When Devin is pushing the ball 1 on 2, 1 on 3, 1 on 4, 1 on 100, it'd be nice if someone besides a big (Sean, Boone, Yi) consistently ran with him.

As we all know, Vince ain't ever running, but that's not the end of the world, because he serves other purposes offensively. Simmons serves none, and he doesn't run/isn't built for running.

Wallace on the other hand... that could be nice.

Devin is at his best when he is relentlessly pushing the ball and attacking, and it's no coincidence that this is also when we've been the best as a team this season. Having someone along side him besides the aforementioned bigs would be sweet.

It's the reason Frank is yelling "LET'S GO!!!!" like a nut job all game. We win when we "go." Our SF should be someone who is built for "going" and actually "goes" without having to have it screamed at him every possession.

Well said.

 

[networks]

Our ideal SF, in addition to the stuff mentioned, should also be an athlete who thrives on the break. When Devin is pushing the ball 1 on 2, 1 on 3, 1 on 4, 1 on 100, it'd be nice if someone besides a big (Sean, Boone, Yi) consistently ran with him.

As we all know, Vince ain't ever running, but that's not the end of the world, because he serves other purposes offensively. Simmons serves none, and he doesn't run/isn't built for running.

Wallace on the other hand... that could be nice.

Devin is at his best when he is relentlessly pushing the ball and attacking, and it's no coincidence that this is also when we've been the best as a team this season. Having someone along side him besides the aforementioned bigs would be sweet.

It's the reason Frank is yelling "LET'S GO!!!!" like a nut job all game. We win when we "go." Our SF should be someone who is built for "going" and actually "goes" without having to have it screamed at him every possession.

Interesting!! I say we trade for Richard Jefferson. Maybe we can get him for Simmons and Hassel.
Richard Jefferson for Simmons and Yi.

 

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Picking up Wallace for Sean, Stro and Hassell would be ridiculous. It would leave the Nets a little thin up front, but they'd have an open roster spot to pick up a free agent big man.

If given the choise, though, I'd rather get rid of Simmons.

Simmons is going to be tough to move.

We'd probably have to throw in a pick too (the Marcus pick from GS could work). The key to the whole thing is the 3 way. Charlotte gets Watson and Wilcox... two big needs for them. Plus they drop the long term deals of Wallace and Carroll. Seattle gets a young PG with potential that could probably use the change of scenery in Felton, young athletic big in Swat, and a desperately needed shooter in Carroll... all while picking up $3.9mm in salary cap space next season to help the rebuild move faster in their new home.

For us we get a starting SF in Wallace and a good back-up in Wilkins that can defend the perimeter and run the break.
Here are the DX scouting reports for both:
Gerald Wallace
Damien Wilkins

They both bring exactly what the Nets need... speed, athleticism and most of all perimeter defense! And you know all these players can be had because either their names have been openly out there in trade talks or they are not getting the playing time. The only iffy thing is if Seattle would want to do Watson for Felton, but they need to do something.

Edit... regarding Wallace, his ability to get by his man and get to the rim needs to be considered when thinking about the dribble drive offense. He could be better in this system than what we've seen. And he's only 26.

 

[SportsTicker]

Think about it this way:

Dave D says the Bobcats are looking for a "player of consequence". How many of those do the Nets have? How many of them played at North Carolina? One. Hoopsworld notes, as does this week's Sports Illustrated, that attendance in Charlotte is rapidly declining.

How much is Wallace owed over how many years? Wallace is owed $47.5 million over five. The former UNC star is owed $53.4 over four.

How old is Wallace? 26. How old is the former UNC star? 32 in January.

Read between the lines.

 

[ghoti]

IIRC, Vince's daughter lives in Charlotte.

 

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Think about it this way:

Dave D says the Bobcats are looking for a "player of consequence". How many of those do the Nets have? How many of them played at North Carolina? One. Hoopsworld notes, as does this week's Sports Illustrated, that attendance in Charlotte is rapidly declining.

How much is Wallace owed over how many years? Wallace is owed $47.5 million over five. The former UNC star is owed $53.4 over four.

How old is Wallace? 26. How old is the former UNC star? 32 in January.

Read between the lines.

I don't see the Nets trading Carter. They are having as many issues selling tickets as the Bobs and I think Vince's days of being a big draw at the box office are behind him.

With all the young guys the Nets have they need Carter's steady veteran leadership (and ball handling). I don't see the Bobs getting a player of consequence for Wallace because he's a little overpaid. He should've had a contract similar to Nocioni's. They should be happy to cut payroll and have the opportunity to play the market next summer and maybe make a play for Marion or Boozer. As it stands they will only have about $9MM to play with and if they pick up some expirings for Wallace they could have upwards of $18MM to work with. I think this deal is going to be similar to the Grizzlies unloading of Gasol.

Plus, Charlotte cut a player expecting to take back an extra player in a trade. Since Vince makes $14mm and Wallace makes $8mm the Nets would be the one cutting players.

 

[GMJ]

If we trade Carter, we bring Simmons off the bench as a shooting specialist (something he's more equipped to do). After that I see two scenarios:

1) Make roster moves, and pick up a 3rd PG, but one that's good enough to play 2nd string; start Dooling. Watching him and Devin play together was impressive. Bye bye Ager?

2) Jarvis Hayes starts, and Ager gets more playing time until CDR comes back. CDR shakes off the rust and starts at the 2 guard. We bring Jarvis and Simmons off the bench (I think this is the more probably scenario).

 

[Joey FistPump]

Yeah, the question is how do we want to build the starting lineup with Harris and Carter? Who would be the ideal SF, PF and C for this team.

They need a defensive stopper at the 3 who can slow down the star swingmen in the league like Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson. In the front court the Nets would need at least one defensive, rebounding presence who hopefully isn't a complete offensive liability. I think it would be ideal if Harris were the 3rd primary scorer which would mean having a PF who is the 2nd or 1st primary scorer for the team.

Starting lineup:

Harris (third primary scorer, playmaker)
Carter (first or second primary scorer, playmaker)
SF (defender, rebounder, hopefully a good spot shooter)
PF(the first or second primary scorer, can rebound, and defend adequately)
C(strong defender, rebounder, not offensive liability)

Any other blueprint for a starting lineup?

I think this exactly the lineup this team envisions, with Yi and Anderson being above average shooters, stronger perimeter players and strong rebounders...kind've a poor man's Dirk. Which plays extremely well off of Devin's ability to drive.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Can you imagine if Dirk and Harris were ever on the same team??!?!

 

[SUPERB]

If they trade 51 for morrison i quit!!

I dont want morrison or carrol in a nets uniform.

Wallace is a go!

 

[kdub]

Why would they trade Wallace? What is Brown/Jordan thinking?

I haven't watched him, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he seems like the perfect SF for the Nets. Athletic, young, plays defense, and doesn't need a lot of shots to be happy or be productive.

Personally, I say screw the Lebron sweepstakes, the Nets have a good team that could be much better with the addition of Wallace. The potential to be Finals quality even. And if it comes down to it, the Nets could always trade Wallace or Carter to get Lebron, so it frees up a position for Lebron to play on the wings anyways.

I agree with NI though. The only way Charlotte does this is if they get Carter in return. It's what Larry would want, it's would Jordan would want, it's what the town of Charlotte (close to UNC) would want. If the Nets don't plan on winning many games this season then they could do it.

 

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Why would they trade Wallace? What is Brown/Jordan thinking?

I haven't watched him, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he seems like the perfect SF for the Nets. Athletic, young, plays defense, and doesn't need a lot of shots to be happy or be productive.

Personally, I say screw the Lebron sweepstakes, the Nets have a good team that could be much better with the addition of Wallace. The potential to be Finals quality even. And if it comes down to it, the Nets could always trade Wallace or Carter to get Lebron, so it frees up a position for Lebron to play on the wings anyways.

I agree with NI though. The only way Charlotte does this is if they get Carter in return. It's what Larry would want, it's would Jordan would want, it's what the town of Charlotte (close to UNC) would want. If the Nets don't plan on winning many games this season then they could do it.

I agree 100% except for the Carter thing. I think Charlotte would be just as well off getting out from under Wallace's contract by getting expirings, youth and picks. When you have a financial crisis the best thing you can do to ensure you stay solvent is to cut costs, not bring on a big name and hope it translates into ticket sales.

As much as I like Wallace on the Nets he is nowhere near the player of Carter and Thorn would never trade them straight up. Would put way too much pressure on Harris to lead this team and be the #1 option on offense, which would lead to even worse defense from him.

 

[CalamityX04]

Well if any deal involving the NETs and Cats i think a 3rd team needs to be involved.... it's the only way it works, Cats looking for low post threat, NETs need a swingmen who can score when needed but imo someone who can slow down the opposing teams 3s.... we need that 3rd team.... i was thinking either LAC or GS....

off the top of my head: with GS
Cats send Wallace to NJ
NJ sends Swift & Najera to GS; Simmons to CHA
GS sends Harrington to CHA

with LAC:
Cats send Wallace to NJ;
NJ sends Simmons to LAC;
LAC sends Kaman to CHA

again thats off the top and i doubt any of those are possible but i would be VERY surprised if Wallace is NJ bound that Simmons and his contract will still be around... did anyone else hear about NYK gettin or on the verge of landing Harrington from GS?

 

[Dumpy]

I agree 100% except for the Carter thing. I think Charlotte would be just as well off getting out from under Wallace's contract by getting expirings, youth and picks. When you have a financial crisis the best thing you can do to ensure you stay solvent is to cut costs, not bring on a big name and hope it translates into ticket sales.

As much as I like Wallace on the Nets he is nowhere near the player of Carter and Thorn would never trade them straight up. Would put way too much pressure on Harris to lead this team and be the #1 option on offense, which would lead to even worse defense from him.

I can't envision the Nets trading Carter, even if the team has its own financial crisis. I stand by my statement that they are a borderline playoff team right now. If the Nets just make the first round of the playoffs, I suspect that they'll recoup a decent chunk of any short-term savings they'd realise from this sort of deal. They have no chance without Carter.

 

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Saw this article on Hoopsworld about Nets and Wallace.
Nets Need Wallace's Defense

 

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Saw this over there too:

Bobcats Still Prowling

It seems the Charlotte Bobcats and New Jersey Nets are going to need a third team to get involved to make their rumored deal work out. The good news for Bobcats fans is that it may not be Gerald Wallace leaving town after all.

No matter how you look at it, the core group in Charlotte is absolutely Jason Richardson, Emeka Okafor, and Gerald Wallace. Everyone else is expendable in one way or another. I would argue that rookie point guard DJ Augustin is on the that list, as well, now that he's starting to find his pro legs. The rumor out of New Jersey today is that it's Adam Morrison who the Bobcats are trying to shop as part of a package deal, rather than the oft-rumored Wallace. In case you haven't seen Morrison this season, he has been playing some very good basketball. Maybe the haircut has cleared his range of vision, because now he's becoming a real scoring threat, tallying 16, 15, and 14 points in consecutive games last week.

The catch here is that the Bobcats really want a starting center back in the deal. We all saw the reports that they were trying to get Chris Kaman from the Clippers, and that's exactly the type of player they need next to Okafor in the post. Reports from the Charlotte Observer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the Associated Press all have the Bobcats close to a move with New Jersey, but it seems they need a third team to get involved to make it right for everyone involved.

Evening Scoop: The Price Of Success

OKC should be the third team. Charlotte needs Wilcox alongside Okafor and they need Watson to help Augustine.

 

[Dumpy]

Saw this over there too:


Evening Scoop: The Price Of Success

OKC should be the third team. Charlotte needs Wilcox alongside Okafor and they need Watson to help Augustine.

Guess they should have drafted Lopez, huh?

I would be disgusted if the Nets parted with Boone just to get Morrison back.

Sean for Morrison? Maybe I'd be OK with that--but only if they could also move one of their other wings. Simmons, Hayes, Hassell, Vince, CDR, Morrison, Ager--that would be fully half the team to play just two of the five positions (and I'm not including Dooling, who often plays SG with Vince moving to the point). True, Ager and Hassell are worthless, but they take up vital roster spots.

 

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Guess they should have drafted Lopez, huh?

I would be disgusted if the Nets parted with Boone just to get Morrison back.

Sean for Morrison? Maybe I'd be OK with that--but only if they could also move one of their other wings. Simmons, Hayes, Hassell, Vince, CDR, Morrison, Ager--that would be fully half the team to play just two of the five positions (and I'm not including Dooling, who often plays SG with Vince moving to the point). True, Ager and Hassell are worthless, but they take up vital roster spots.

I'd be pissed if it was Boone for Morrison as well. Swat and Hassell for him I'd live with, but I much prefer getting Wallace at this stage.

 

[CalamityX04]

i would be disgusted as if we gave up boone for morrison too... Morrison is not what we need, he doesn't bring any sense of D and i havent read/heard reports that dispute that... nearly all our young guns, imo, are untouchable or atleast should be.... i think boone is fully capable of playing C and with his added experience and energy he will be best off the bench.

i rather we keep SWAT, i like his energy and enthusiasm from the bench and his shot blocking skill is rare to come by especially from the help side. i luv how he just stuffed LBJ, we need that therefore i dont want to move him, rather move Najera before SWAT

 

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Think about it this way:

Dave D says the Bobcats are looking for a "player of consequence". How many of those do the Nets have? How many of them played at North Carolina? One. Hoopsworld notes, as does this week's Sports Illustrated, that attendance in Charlotte is rapidly declining.

How much is Wallace owed over how many years? Wallace is owed $47.5 million over five. The former UNC star is owed $53.4 over four.

How old is Wallace? 26. How old is the former UNC star? 32 in January.

Read between the lines.

VERY interesting. I suppose talks will intensify by Feb if this is the case. I cant see it. No way we deal VC for Wallace. Thorn/Kiki are smarter then that?

We can strong arm them into tossing in some draft choices and another prospect. Maybe VC won't be as PO'd about it since he'll be going home.

 

[FOMW]

I still want Mike Miller. I recall reading before the season, from some scribe that follows the team, that he wouldn't be surprised if Miller were traded before the deadline if Minnesota once again sucked (and, so far, they have). Miller wouldn't help the individual defense, but he's a smart player who could do his part in team schemes, and he would absolutely kill from behind the arc and as another playmaker/facilitator. Very underrated passer. His contract expires in 2010, so there's no conflict with future moves.