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Or, is this just a case of freshman luck?

At any rate, dude was poised and looked like he "belonged".
 
wasnt impressed by some of his throws, his deep touch needs work too, but it doesnt hurt having steve smith catching passes

i could see him throwing for 3500 yards and winning 4 games or so though
 
I am pretty sure some of us in this forum can throw for 400 yards against the Cardinals. Also keep in mind that teams haven't had a lot of chance to scout him. Look how "good" Vince Young did in his first year with the Titans. Let's see how he does, not only next week with the Packers, but later on in the season
 
Mediocre Man said:
I am pretty sure some of us in this forum can throw for 400 yards against the Cardinals. Also keep in mind that teams haven't had a lot of chance to scout him. Look how "good" Vince Young did in his first year with the Titans. Let's see how he does, not only next week with the Packers, but later on in the season
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This.
 
I think he'll be "OK".

That said, I'm sure there are many in here who are somewhat biased against him as he was a primary reason the Tigers beat the beloved Ducks.

jus sayin' ;)
 
I'm not biased against him. I think the problem running QB's from college have is that they tend to trust their feet too much in the pros- and that is not going to get it done. But if he can be a patient pocket passer, he has a shot at being a very good QB.
 
No. Next question? :)

In all seriousness, it was a good accomplishment, but I think that it was more b/c AZ had the double-whammy of being both inept at coverage and not thinking that Carolina would air it out as much, rather than that Cam is Dan Marino and Steve Young's love child. Steve Smith is going to help out anyone, until he inevitably gets injured.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I'm not biased against him. I think the problem running QB's from college have is that they tend to trust their feet too much in the pros- and that is not going to get it done. But if he can be a patient pocket passer, he has a shot at being a very good QB.
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Exactly. Those MLB'ers are just as fast or faster than those running QB's. It just doesnt work.
 
BrianFromWA said:
No. Next question? :)

In all seriousness, it was a good accomplishment, but I think that it was more b/c AZ had the double-whammy of being both inept at coverage and not thinking that Carolina would air it out as much, rather than that Cam is Dan Marino and Steve Young's love child. Steve Smith is going to help out anyone, until he inevitably gets injured.
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Huh? Steve Smith is good, but he isn't someone (at this point in his career) where I say he helps out anyone. (Did Braylon help out Alex Smith? Percy Harvin help out McNabb? Brandon Marshall help out Henne?)

Cam Newton looked like a legit NFL QB yesterday. I expect him to have his ups and downs throughout the season, but I think he did a good job of shutting up a lot of his haters.

I think he will end up being a multiple pro-bowl qb.
 
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Big arm. Check

Size of a LB. Check

Ability to throw on the run. Check

Ability to extend plays outside of the pocket. Check

Mental fortitude to be a great NFL QB. Uncertain

If Newton is as mentally strong as a Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or McNabb (in his athletic prime, not now), then I don't see why he won't be the next great NFL QB. He has as many physical tools as any QB to enter the league since Mike Vick, plus he's much bigger than Vick (though not as elusive).

On a side note, I drafted Newton with the last pick of my fantasy draft as somewhat of a joke as a 3rd QB. Looks like he may have some trade value as the season progresses.
 
I call BS on you haters, Newton looks like a god at this point. He's a rookie Quarterback remember? In College he was more physically gifted and statistically dominant than Vince Young. Steve Smith is a has-been and all great QBs have great receivers.

PapaG said:
Big arm. Check

Size of a LB. Check

Ability to throw on the run. Check

Ability to extend plays outside of the pocket. Check

Mental fortitude to be a great NFL QB. Uncertain

If Newton is as mentally strong as a Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or McNabb (in his athletic prime, not now), then I don't see why he won't be the next great NFL QB. He has as many physical tools as any QB to enter the league since Mike Vick, plus he's much bigger than Vick (though not as elusive).

On a side note, I drafted Newton with the last pick of my fantasy draft as somewhat of a joke as a 3rd QB. Looks like he may have some trade value as the season progresses.
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I would not phrase it as mental fortitude, that sounds too vague.

Intelligence and the ability to read defenses is the term I would use. Newton is the best college football player I've ever seen. People try to attribute Auburn's success to their defense (Nick Fairley was projected as the #1 pick after the championship game), but they were mediocre statistically. Tim Tebow had a top 5 defense, not Newton. Hopefully he stays healthy.
 
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huevonkiller said:
I call BS on you haters, Newton looks like a God at this point. He's a rookie Quarterback remember? In College he was more physically gifted and statistically dominant than Vince Young. Steve Smith is a has-been and all great QBs have great receivers.



I would not phrase it as mental fortitude, that sounds too vague.

Intelligence and the ability to read defenses is the term I would use. Newton is the best college football player I've ever seen. People try to attribute Auburn's success to their defense (Nick Fairley was projected as the #1 pick after the championship game), but they were mediocre statistically. Tim Tebow had a top 5 defense, not Newton.
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So far, he's looked pretty good in his first two games. Who knows, maybe he is the real deal afterall.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
So far, he's looked pretty good in his first two games. Who knows, maybe he is the real deal afterall.
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Oh yeah, I was not referring to you . Don't worry lol.

Your analysis seems very reasonable.
 
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He looks good so far. I still can't get Vince Young out of my head. He looked amazing the year he started for the Titans. Then defenses prepared for him, and he sucked.
 
Cam "God" Newton had a total quarterback rating that was good enough to rank him 29th out of 32 QB's this past weekend. LOL
 
I sure loved his interceptions, those were his best plays.
 
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Cam "God" Newton had a total quarterback rating that was good enough to rank him 29th out of 32 QB's this past weekend. LOL
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Not to make excuses, but he was going against the defending Super Bowl champs in his 2nd career game with a team that won 2 games last year, and he still managed to throw for 432 yards against that defense.

NFL QB ratings also don't factor in rushing yards, and Newton had 10 carries for 53 yards and a TD. The rest of the Panthers had 11 carries for 18 yards.

He's already a better NFL QB than Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, or Dennis Dixon. Using a game against Green Bay as some sort of proof of Newton's NFL future is ridiculous, especially considering he threw for 432 yards and ran for another 53 yards. It makes me question how closely you follow the NFL.
 
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The total rating from ESPN's new stat does take rushing into account. They look at every play from scrimmage.....So maybe I am not the one you should be questioning about how closely I follow the NFL?


I am also not calling him a failure int he NFL. Just pointing out that after playing the Cards and Packers, he is pretty average. In fact exactly average according to the Total QB stat. He might be good, and he might not be. It's too early at this point to say either way.

Big numbers though.
 
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Like all scrambling quarterbacks he turns the ball over way too much to be an elite qb and take his team anywhere in the playoffs. Its cute and fun to watch, but doesnt lead to playoff success.
 
MickZagger said:
Like all scrambling quarterbacks he turns the ball over way too much to be an elite qb and take his team anywhere in the playoffs. Its cute and fun to watch, but doesnt lead to playoff success.
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Exactly, like the Blazers.
 
MickZagger said:
Like all scrambling quarterbacks he turns the ball over way too much to be an elite qb and take his team anywhere in the playoffs. Its cute and fun to watch, but doesnt lead to playoff success.
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Steve Young says hello.
 
Young had the ability to scramble, I wouldnt call him a scrambler though. He could sit in the pocket and be extremely effective passing to his Rice and Owens.
 
MickZagger said:
Young had the ability to scramble, I wouldnt call him a scrambler though. He could sit in the pocket and be extremely effective passing to his Rice and Owens.
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Newton has shown the ability to stand in the pocket as well. He threw a ball yesterday while moving up in the pocket that was 60 yards on rope. I thought he'd be a bust based on what I saw of him at Auburn. He still may be, but the ability to throw the ball while in the pocket, and after taking a direct snap instead of a shotgun snap, is there, and I didn't think it would be.

I don't care one way or another if Newton busts, and I'm convinced he knew that his dad took money from Auburn boosters. That said, I've seen things from him the first two games that I didn't see from him at Auburn. He's completing 63% of his passes, and is averaging 10 yards per attempt, which is incredible considering how many times he has put the ball in the air. He did throw some bad balls yesterday, but again, he was going against a defense that won the Super Bowl last season and can get after the QB.
 
PapaG said:
Newton has shown the ability to stand in the pocket as well. He threw a ball yesterday while moving up in the pocket that was 60 yards on rope. I thought he'd be a bust based on what I saw of him at Auburn. He still may be, but the ability to throw the ball while in the pocket, and after taking a direct snap instead of a shotgun snap, is there, and I didn't think it would be.

I don't care one way or another if Newton busts, and I'm convinced he knew that his dad took money from Auburn boosters. That said, I've seen things from him the first two games that I didn't see from him at Auburn. He's completing 63% of his passes, and is averaging 10 yards per attempt, which is incredible considering how many times he has put the ball in the air. He did throw some bad balls yesterday, but again, he was going against a defense that won the Super Bowl last season and can get after the QB.
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The yardage numbers he's put up for the first two games are impressive. But, from the highlights I've seen his recievers have been catching balls by burning their coverage. I see it a lot with young qb's, they do great for the 1st half of the season, then once they're schemed they drop back down to earth drastically.

That said, I'm a Newton hater. His head is already huge and he hasnt won an NFL game yet.
 
MickZagger said:
The yardage numbers he's put up for the first two games are impressive. But, from the highlights I've seen his recievers have been catching balls by burning their coverage. I see it a lot with young qb's, they do great for the 1st half of the season, then once they're schemed they drop back down to earth drastically.

That said, I'm a Newton hater. His head is already huge and he hasnt won an NFL game yet.
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In the past 10 years, Derek Anderson comes to mind, but he wasn't a rookie. Which rookie QBs have had starts to their career like Newton, and have done it on an offense that scored 12ppg and gave up 25ppg the previous season? They were the last ranked offense last season. 32nd out of 32 teams.
 
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