So I'm looking around for a "WTF Sergio?!?!" Thread...

[BrianFromWA]

Your details of the run forget the following:

1. Before even 1 second of play Sergio fouls Jason Terry (before they inbound the ball) - the Mavs score 2 points.

This is your example of "bad D"? Being too aggressive denying the ball?

2. Kidd going around Sergio, Roy rotating forcing a pass to Jason Terry, Joel has to run over to him and foul. Terry sinks two shots.

Yes, Kidd went around Sergio one time. Sorry about not posting that. I'll go back, post the entire 10 minu
3. At the 10:41 Sergio with a bad pass on the break.[/quote]I had that in the recap. That was the only TO, iirc, in the entire game for him.

That's 3 mistakes by Sergio in the first half, 2 of them defensive.

I am too tired to re-live the loss of the 4th quarter lead with Sergio in the game - so I am not going to re-watch it again...

Pity, since it's only 2:55 and it was 4-0 Dallas. It's ok, I recapped it above.

Blake did not have a good defensive game - but it looked better than Sergio in this re-run of the game that I just watched. There is a reason Sergio had the worst +/- - he did not create offense enough to offset his defense.

What part of his teammates shooting 1-10 while the opponents his teammates guarded being 6-12 was him "not creating enough offense to offset his defense? I'm still waiting.

Add the fact that Travis played all the minutes that Sergio was on the court - and since he finished with a -7 for the game - it means that he was +3 next to Blake. Same with Rudy - played all the minutes that Sergio did and finished with -8 - so he was +2 next to Blake...

So it couldn't possibly be that Rudy and Outlaw (and Frye) stunk it up by going 1-10 with Sergio on the floor, missing (among other things) a wide-open 3, a 7 footer, a 9-footer and a putback? Damn that Sergio, send him back to Spain.

Yes, Frye was bad (big surprise) - but he only played next to Sergio for about 1/2 of Sergio's minutes - so it's not all on Outlaw (who was + next to Blake) or Frye (Frye was not in the game in the 2nd quarter when we went from +3 to -1 during Sergio's brief run.

I find your logic a little off. I'm going to ask again, what part of him going 4-4, 9pts, 1 ast, 1 t/o while his man went 1-4 with 0 assists while his teammates gave up 6-12 while shooting 1-10 themselves WAS SERGIO'S FAULT? Don't try to read the tea leaves and break apart +/-'s, please answer my question.

 

[andalusian]

This is your example of "bad D"? Being too aggressive denying the ball?

You mean fouling when you do not need to is not bad defense? So a foul when the ball is not even in play is good? Of course it was a stupid mistake and of course it was bad defense - it lead to 2 points before the ball even entered the court.

I find your logic a little off. I'm going to ask again, what part of him going 4-4, 9pts, 1 ast, 1 t/o while his man went 1-4 with 0 assists while his teammates gave up 6-12 while shooting 1-10 themselves WAS SERGIO'S FAULT? Don't try to read the tea leaves and break apart +/-'s, please answer my question.

The 1-4 of his man is the culprit - if you take a look - Dallas also had 3 offensive rebounds in this time from these 3 misses - because the bigs that went to rotate to cover for Sergio losing his man and caused the misses could not recover to get the rebounds. Yes, his man went 1-4 - but the possessions really ended as 4-4 because of the 3 offensive rebounds taken when our bigs were away from the basket trying to contain the penetration.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You mean fouling when you do not need to is not bad defense? So a foul when the ball is not even in play is good? Of course it was a stupid mistake and of course it was bad defense - it lead to 2 points before the ball even entered the court.

You win. Aggressiveness denying the ball is not something we want from our defenders. Sorry about that. Count Sergio for -2 right there.

The 1-4 of his man is the culprit - if you take a look - Dallas also had 3 offensive rebounds in this time from these 3 misses - because the bigs that went to rotate to cover for Sergio losing his man and caused the misses could not recover to get the rebounds. Yes, his man went 1-4 - but the possessions really ended as 4-4 because of the 3 offensive rebounds taken when our bigs were away from the basket trying to contain the penetration.

I'm calling BS on this one. I did take a look. Here's the breakdown: Berea misses a 30-footer as time expires in the first quarter. 0-1 (not blown by Sergio, and they didn't score)
10:15 2nd quarter: Berea misses 27-footer. 0-2 They get the offensive board and Singleton puts it in. Not blown by Sergio.
8:29 Berea gets the defensive rebound, gets the layup. 2pts from Sergio's man: 1-3 total so far. Sergio benched.

4th quarter: 12:00 Sergio fouls out of inbound. No FTs.
11:23 Berea misses 3-pointer. Not blown by Sergio. 1-4.
9:56 Berea assists on Howard's jumper. 1-4, 1 assist. Sergio benched.

So for a grand total of 2-5, 1 offensive rebound, 1 assist on all the possessions his man shot. Not 4-4. And Singleton's was off a 3 by Barea...not likely that he "blew by Sergio" causing a big to rotate.

Why are you making things up? It's easy enough to say you do like how a guy plays, but I'm just letting you know it's a little tough to try to say I'm wrong while making up stats. I'm not lazy enough to not check out what you say, since I'm pretty sure about the facts I use before i post.

 

[andalusian]

Unfortunately (or fortunately) - I deleted the game from my DVR - but that was my distinct impression re-watching that game - that all of these break-downs started with Sergio's man blowing by him, the ball swung around with people out of position and the offensive rebound taken by Dallas because our bigs were out of play.

If you have that stretch to re-watch it - I will be willing to accept that my impression was wrong (if you re-read the thread - my impression during the game was not that Sergio had a bad game - but it appeared after I re-watched it on my TV). But - as I said - since I did re-watch it (yes, I am a masochist) - it seemed like his defensive breakdowns were a big issue during that stretch.

 

[BrianFromWA]

My point isn't that he's Raja Bell. I understand his defensive shortcomings. My discussion with you originally centered on using the +/- number to say he had a bad game, or that it was more his fault than Frye or Outlaw b/c their +/-'s were better.

I can't speak for you, but you might be thinking of Blake with the defensive breakdowns in the 2nd half. Sergio was only in 2 minutes, and Dallas only went 4-0 during that stretch. The rest was Blake and company. I saw those missed rotations and blow-bys also.

BTW: I'm with you about the masochism. I just deleted mine to make room for tonight.

 

[Blaze01]

Barea was lighting up Blake in the 4th quarter not Sergio...come on now people....

You know the bottom line is that Sergio is not long for this team..it is becoming very apparent that Nate doesn't like the guy...or in more "professional" terms...He isn't his kind of player....whatever...

I'll give Blake his due, he has been surprisingly solid offensively...by=ut his defense isn't much better than Sergio's...I don't know what games most of you people are watching...and he may have a shining assist to To ratio, but he has some CRUCIAL turnovers, misses, misplays that have cost POR games....

Sergio isn't great but he doesn't deserve half of the blame he is getting here and from Nate...that is a joke....Whay doesn't Nate just come out and admit to Pritchard that he doesn't like the guy and get this whole charade over with....

Maybe he has...

 

[illmatic99]

Excellent posts, Brian. It is absolutely ridiculous for Nate to call out Sergio publicly, while our other guards have been just as bad defensively. He is clearly going after his favorite whipping boy, while protecting his favorites. Very professional.

Does anyone dispute this claim now?

 

[bodyman5001]

Excellent posts, Brian. It is absolutely ridiculous for Nate to call out Sergio publicly, while our other guards have been just as bad defensively. He is clearly going after his favorite whipping boy, while protecting his favorites. Very professional.

Does anyone dispute this claim now?

Calling out Sergio on defense on this team is like Oprah telling Roseanne Barr to go on a diet.

 

[barfo]

Excellent posts, Brian. It is absolutely ridiculous for Nate to call out Sergio publicly, while our other guards have been just as bad defensively. He is clearly going after his favorite whipping boy, while protecting his favorites. Very professional.

Does anyone dispute this claim now?

Agreed. Whatever Sergio's faults are, Nate is very unprofessional to call him (and only him) out in public. And he's done it repeatedly.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Agreed. Whatever Sergio's faults are, Nate is very unprofessional to call him (and only him) out in public. And he's done it repeatedly.

barfo

Not true.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132001

 

[barfo]

Not true.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132001

I don't see Nate calling anyone out in that thread, unless you mean Nate saying that Roy is playing too many minutes and so he can't expend enough energy on D.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

I don't see Nate calling anyone out in that thread, unless you mean Nate saying that Roy is playing too many minutes and so he can't expend enough energy on D.

barfo

Sergio whined to get minutes and floated the idea he wanted to move on unless he got more minutes. Either he produces, or he doesn't. I honestly cringe when he gets the ball at times, and his defense is hopeless.

That said, Nate mentioned a lot of players specifically in that quote, but I do think his calling out Sergio perhaps means that (hopefully) Sergio will be gone soon in a deadline trade.

 

[barfo]

That said, Nate mentioned a lot of players specifically in that quote, but I do think his calling out Sergio perhaps means that (hopefully) Sergio will be gone soon in a deadline trade.

Because, the best way to arrange a trade is to criticize your player publicly?

barfo

 

[MrJayremmie]

I think some are overly sensititive. It seems that Nate was asked about Sergio and he said he needs to improve his Defense. Same thing we all say. There is nothing wrong with this, and it is true. I'm sure if he was asked about a bunch of players he would have said the same thing (like Travis for example).