So, KP Ready To Make A move For Miller?

[ABM]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/sports/basketball/24knicks.html

The Portland Trail Blazers are preparing to make Miller an offer, according to a Western Conference general manager who requested anonymity because his team was not involved in the discussions.

 

[MAS RipCity]

better be a sign and trade

 

[Nikolokolus]

better be a sign and trade

Unfortunately for Bayless I don't think it will be ... unless of course they are using J-Bay as trade bait.

 

[LJ Ginger]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60762/20090724/blazers_to_make_offer_to_miller/, here it is...

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If the Blazers were interested in Miller, the timing here would be interesting.

Rumor has it that the Knicks (the other team reportedly interested in Miller) are about to make an offer to Sessions. If the Blazers make an offer to Miller at the same time and give him 48 hours to decide . . . Miller can't wait to see if the Bucks match and if the only other team interested in him is still intersted in him.

If Miller turns down the reported offer to be by the Blazers . . , there may not be another team interested in Miller for anythig more than the MLE.

 

[ebott]

Hoping for a two year deal at seven a year with a team option. That would be nice.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Hoping for a two year deal at seven a year with a team option. That would be nice.

They'll get him at less than 7 a year.

 

[PapaG]

What a miserable move, at least at anything more than the vet minimum on a FA signing. I could handle an equal value trade that sent out Blake. Keep the frigging cap space for the season.

 

[PapaG]

They'll get him at less than 7 a year.

Vet minimum for a FA signing, a Blake trade means he gets ~$5 million/per for 2 years. I'd like that deal.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

So no Kirk. POR prefers Miller to Sessions. We sign him, we still have Blake, Bayless, and Outlaw to offer in a secondary deal.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Vet minimum for a FA signing, a Blake trade means he gets ~$5 million/per for 2 years. I'd like that deal.

Dude, you're delusional. He's not signing for the vet minimum. He's likely to get something around the MLE.

The point guards I would go after would be in this order.

1. Sessions
2. Miller
3. Hinrich

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I read somewhere that Miller can easily get the MLE. Miller wants 10 mil/yr, which nobody is willing to pay. So my guess is somewhere between the the MLE and 10 mil.

If the Blazers offer 7 mil/yr . . . the only way Miller gets more is through a sign and trade (assuming OKC isn't interested) and no other team seems interested in a sign and trade besides the Knicks.

The Blazers may be the only shot Miller has of getting more than the MLE.

 

[PapaG]

Dude, you're delusional. He's not signing for the vet minimum. He's likely to get something around the MLE.
The point guards I would go after would be in this order.

1. Sessions
2. Miller
3. Hinrich

Who has offered him the MLE? If the Blazers want him, offer Blake in a sign and trade that keeps the cap space. How am I "delusional"? It's almost August, and as far as I can tell, Miller hasn't even been able to reject an offer as a UFA.

 

[PapaG]

I read somewhere that Miller can easily get the MLE. Miller wants 10 mil/yr, which nobody is willing to pay. So my guess is somewhere between the the MLE and 10 mil.

If the Blazers offer 7 mil/yr . . . the only way Miller gets more is through a sign and trade (assuming OKC isn't interested) and no other team seems interested in a sign and trade besides the Knicks.

The Blazers may be the only shot Miller has of getting more than the MLE.

Likely from his agent. Has he even been offered the MLE?

 

[Blazer_Mullet_Man]

I'm much less excited about Miller in a Blazer uni than I was for Millsap. Miller seems terribly streaky. The guys is old, but logged a lot of minutes last season. What concerns me the most is his all too frequent games of 8+ turnovers or 2 our 11 shooting.

I don't recall him leading his team past the first round of playoffs (at least in the past 10 years)??



Way to shoot for the stars, KP...............jack off.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Who has offered him the MLE? If the Blazers want him, offer Blake in a sign and trade that keeps the cap space. How am I "delusional"? It's almost August, and as far as I can tell, Miller hasn't even been able to reject an offer as a UFA.

By your logic, David Lee should be had for the minimum too? How many offers you've seen him get is irrelevant. His agent is in talks with plenty of teams around the league. Nobody's made an offer because there hasn't been an agreement that Miller would sign the offer sheet. There's a disconnect between what teams want to sign him at and what his agent wants. Just because there is that disconnect, doesn't mean nobody wants him.

 

[barfo]

Likely from his agent. Has he even been offered the MLE?

How would we know? He's a UFA, offers he turns down don't necessarily appear in the press.

barfo

 

[Nikolokolus]

Dude, you're delusional. He's not signing for the vet minimum. He's likely to get something around the MLE.

At least. Even with a down economy, a contracting luxury tax line and his age Miller has still only logged 29,000 minutes (28K regular season 1k playoffs) which paies in comparison to say Kobe who's played 42,000 minutes (35K regular season, 7K playoffs). Assuming he stays healthy (the dude has missed five fucking games in his whole career) I think it's entirely possible for Miller to continue to be an efficient productive player for at least 2 more years and a third year probably isn't out of the question.

If Mike Bibby can get 6 million per year for 3 years then Miller is probably worth about the same. I wouldn't balk if KP offered him a 3 year 18 million dollar deal. That still leaves us with a couple of million in cap room which can help facilitate a trade in the regular season if need be.

 

[PapaG]

By your logic, David Lee should be had for the minimum too? How many offers you've seen him get is irrelevant. His agent is in talks with plenty of teams around the league. Nobody's made an offer because there hasn't been an agreement that Miller would sign the offer sheet. There's a disconnect between what teams want to sign him at and what his agent wants. Just because there is that disconnect, doesn't mean nobody wants him.

David Lee isn't 33 years old, and David Lee put up a double/double for most of last season.

How does Lee enter my "logic". I didn't even mention Lee.

Also, why would Miller need to sign an "offer sheet"? He is an unrestricted free agent. The Sixers can't match any offer extended to him, and they won't even give him the MLE.

 

[barfo]

The Sixers can't match any offer extended to him, and they won't even give him the MLE.

You don't know that. They might have offered him the MLE, and he's shopping for more.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

How would we know? He's a UFA, offers he turns down don't necessarily appear in the press.

barfo

They typically do appear in the press, and Philly isn't an any hurry to sign him. Why is that? They made the playoffs with him at the point.

 

[PapaG]

You don't know that. They might have offered him the MLE, and he's shopping for more.

barfo

You don't know what he's been offered.

 

[barfo]

They typically do appear in the press, and Philly isn't an any hurry to sign him.

How do you know they typically appear in the press? Are you privy to offers that don't appear in the press? If not, how do you know what fraction appears in the press?

barfo

 

[barfo]

You don't know what he's been offered.

Yes, that's my point. I don't know. And neither do you.

barfo

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Likely from his agent. Has he even been offered the MLE?

I read an article that Philly was interested in resigning Miller (that's a good sign) but only for 6 mil for 1 year.

From what I gather, Miller wants 10 mil/yr and hated Philly . . . so Phily has been in a sign and trade mode since early negotiations and after every meeting since then the GM has said nothing has changed, they are still seeking a sign and trade with Miller.

It was an article from a local Philly paper. I figure Miller has to be worth more than the MLE because if he was worth less, than that would take Philly out of the equation and Miller would just go to the highest bidder.

Is my logic making sense . . . because my brain is tired.

 

[PapaG]

How do you know they typically appear in the press? Are you privy to offers that don't appear in the press? If not, how do you know what fraction appears in the press?

barfo

Offers to UFAs, at least those thinking they deserve $10 million, do appear in the press. If Philly offered him the MLE, or any one else did, and he rejected it, I'd publicize it were I that team. Of course, Philly doesn't want him back, just like every other team with which he's ended a contract.

 

[PapaG]

I read an article that Philly was interested in resigning Miller (that's a good sign) but only for the MLE and for 3 years.

From what I gather, Miller wants 10 mil/yr and hated Philly . . . so Phily has been in a sign and trade mode since early negotiations and after every meeting since then the GM has said nothing has changed, they are still seeking a sign and trade with Miller.

It was an article from a local Philly paper. I figure Miller has to be worth more than the MLE because if he was worth less, than that would take Philly out of the equation and Miller would just go to the highest bidder.

Is my logic making sense . . . because my brain is tired.

I like your info, and it makes sense. It appears that Philly leaked that they offered Miller the MLE, and he rejected it, so Philly put it in the papers. Makes sense to me. I don't think Miller is going to get anything more than the MLE, however. That's why a sign and trade for Blake at the MLE makes sense. It keeps cap space available.

 

[e_blazer]

The Portland Trail Blazers are preparing to make Miller an offer, according to a Western Conference general manager who requested anonymity because his team was not involved in the discussions.

Ah, the old anonymous GM quote. Yeah, those are always accurate.

 

[barfo]

Offers to UFAs, at least those thinking they deserve $10 million, do appear in the press.

Some do. Some probably don't.

If Philly offered him the MLE, or any one else did, and he rejected it, I'd publicize it were I that team.

But then, you aren't that team, and they might just think differently than you.

Of course, Philly doesn't want him back, just like every other team with which he's ended a contract.

You don't know that. They might be trying to resign him. Just like Roy, the fact that a team doesn't offer a player everything the player's agent wants isn't a sign that they aren't interested at all.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Ah, the old anonymous GM quote. Yeah, those are always accurate.

Anonymous GM = Mark Warkentein. It's the worst kept secret in the NBA. He's the lead needle in the sewing circle.