So, KP Ready To Make A move For Miller?

[Sheldon Shape]

I like your info, and it makes sense. It appears that Philly leaked that they offered Miller the MLE, and he rejected it, so Philly put it in the papers. Makes sense to me. I don't think Miller is going to get anything more than the MLE, however. That's why a sign and trade for Blake at the MLE makes sense. It keeps cap space available.

LMAO. So Philly would rather pay Blake the MLE than Miller? You're crazy, simple.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm much less excited about Miller in a Blazer uni than I was for Millsap. Miller seems terribly streaky. The guys is old, but logged a lot of minutes last season. What concerns me the most is his all too frequent games of 8+ turnovers or 2 our 11 shooting.

I don't recall him leading his team past the first round of playoffs (at least in the past 10 years)??



Way to shoot for the stars, KP...............jack off.

Honestly, how hard is to do a little fact checking?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl.cgi?player=millean02&year=2009

show me the "frequent" 8+ turnover games, or the part where he shoots 2 for 11 all too often. He had two games with 8 turnovers and 8 games where he shot less than 30% from the field. Beyond that he shot 47% from the floor, had a 2.7 Assist to turnover ratio, got to the line 5 times per game and had an 18.6 PER.

It's OK not to like a player or not be crazy about a potential deal, but it's a lot easier to take what you have to say seriously if it's at least somewhat couched in factual terms.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Another conversation between 76ers president and general manager Ed Stefanski and the agent for free agent guard Andre Miller ended yesterday with no change to the status quo.

"We are still in the sign-and-trade mode," Stefanski said about his talk with Andy Miller, with whom he has spoken frequently since NBA free agency began.

* * *
According to an NBA source, the Sixers have not been exactly bombarded with offers for a sign-and-trade agreement involving Miller. The 33-year-old Miller, who was hoping to land a three-year contract in the $30 million range, was offered one year for about $6 million by the Sixers.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20090721_76ers_still_at_impasse_with_Andre_Miller.html

 

[PapaG]

But then, you aren't that team, and they might just think differently than you.

We have a poster saying the Philly did offer the MLE, according the the Philly press, and that Miller rejected it. Is that poster a liar?

You don't know that. They might be trying to resign him. Just like Roy, the fact that a team doesn't offer a player everything the player's agent wants isn't a sign that they aren't interested at all.

barfo

It appears they did try to resign him according to reports. Why do I upset you so much? It's odd.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Honestly, how hard is to do a little fact checking?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl.cgi?player=millean02&year=2009n

show me the "frequent" 8+ turnover games, or the part where he shoots 2 for 11 all too often. He had two games with 8 turnovers and 8 games where he shot less than 30% from the field. Beyond that he shot 47% from the floor, had a 2.7 Assist to turnover ratio, got to the line 5 times per game and had an 18.6 PER.

It's OK not to like a player or not be crazy about a potential deal, but it's a lot easier to take what you have to say seriously if it's at least somewhat couched in factual terms.

Thanks for being a voice of reason. His numbers crush Kirk Hinrich's all over the place. His defense isn't as good as Kirk, or even his 3 ball, but he's far more efficient at everything else he does on the court and can actually create opportunities for other players on the court.

 

[PapaG]

Another conversation between 76ers president and general manager Ed Stefanski and the agent for free agent guard Andre Miller ended yesterday with no change to the status quo.

"We are still in the sign-and-trade mode," Stefanski said about his talk with Andy Miller, with whom he has spoken frequently since NBA free agency began.

* * *
According to an NBA source, the Sixers have not been exactly bombarded with offers for a sign-and-trade agreement involving Miller. The 33-year-old Miller, who was hoping to land a three-year contract in the $30 million range, was offered one year for about $6 million by the Sixers.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20090721_76ers_still_at_impasse_with_Andre_Miller.html

Well, I guess I'm full of shit for stating that a sign and trade makes sense for Philly.

 

[PapaG]

LMAO. So Philly would rather pay Blake the MLE than Miller? You're crazy, simple.

Blake is an expiring contract.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Well, I guess I'm full of shit for stating that a sign and trade makes sense for Philly.

You said a sign and trade for Blake. How the fuck does that make sense dude? You're off your rocker. They'd rather pay the same money to Blake than Miller? Hallucination sucks.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Blake is an expiring contract.

Miller is ALREADY expired, what the fuck is the point in paying Blake an additional year if all you want is the relief? You make no sense.

 

[PapaG]

The 33-year-old Miller, who was hoping to land a three-year contract in the $30 million range, was offered one year for about $6 million by the Sixers.

He's overrated, old, and doesn't win. I'd rather have Steve Blake, so I'll pull back my hypothetical sign and trade offer.

 

[barfo]

We have a poster saying the Philly did offer the MLE, according the the Philly press, and that Miller rejected it. Is that poster a liar?

The Sixers can't match any offer extended to him, and they won't even give him the MLE.

Are you a liar?

It appears they did try to resign him according to reports. Why do I upset you so much? It's odd.

You don't upset me at all, quite the opposite. You say a lot of crazy things, so it is fun to respond to you. Hell, if you aren't my favorite poster, you are certainly in the top five...

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Miller is ALREADY expired, what the fuck is the point in paying Blake an additional year if all you want is the relief? You make no sense.

You get a veteran PG for a year. Philly is looking for a sign and trade. Perhaps they can fool Pritchard into giving the overrated Miller a 3 year deal, and at least get something in return.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Miller is ALREADY expired, what the fuck is the point in paying Blake an additional year if all you want is the relief? You make no sense.

Maybe the Sixers would see Blake as a reasonably priced PG they can plug in for a year.

If Sixer don't sign Miller, they are going to need another PG. Blake for 4 mil/yr is a pretty good deal. They can sign Miller for 6 million for 3 years and then trade him to Ptd for Blake and the trade exception.

Of course I don't see Miller agreeing to a sign and trade for the a contract starting at 6/yr . . . and personally I would hate to lose Blake.

 

[PapaG]

Are you a liar?

I don't think so. Why? A one year contract isn't exactly what I meant in terms of the MLE.

You don't upset me at all, quite the opposite. You say a lot of crazy things, so it is fun to respond to you. Hell, if you aren't my favorite poster, you are certainly in the top five...

barfo

You make jokes about the people who died in the 9/11 attacks and you almost never address the topic at hand, but rather the poster making a point about the topic at hand. I find this fascinating. You're like Jay Sherman, except with less wit.

 

[barfo]

You make jokes about the people who died in the 9/11 attacks and you almost never address the topic at hand, but rather the poster making a point about the topic at hand. I find this fascinating. You're like Jay Sherman, except with less wit.

I'm glad you find me fascinating, as I do you.

I had to look up Jay Sherman, but I'm not offended by that comparison.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

I'm glad you find me fascinating, as I do you.

I had to look up Jay Sherman, but I'm not offended by that comparison.

barfo

See, that's funny and good-natured.

 

[PapaG]

Dude, you're delusional. He's not signing for the vet minimum. He's likely to get something around the MLE.

The point guards I would go after would be in this order.

1. Sessions
2. Miller
3. Hinrich

Why am I "delusional"?

 

[Minstrel]

Hoping for a two year deal at seven a year with a team option. That would be nice.

That would be a great contract. I'd be okay even with that third year being guaranteed.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I have to respond to the "Miller isn't a winner" complaint.

Teams win, not individuals. Outside of his one miserable season with the Clips, Miller has always made a positive contribution to his team. What more can an individual player do?

Should the Blazers only make trades with teams that had better records than they did? Should they only trade with teams that won their first round series? Sorry, but that is hopelessly unrealistic. Swinging a trade with a bad team is often your best chance to get a good player at a bargain price. You have to approach FAs the same way. The team almost over-paid for Hedo solely because some of Orlando's success rubbed off on him. That was (almost) a silly mistake.

Personally, I would rather have the vet who is really hungry....the guy who will be thrilled to be on a winning team.

 

[Minstrel]

I have to respond to the "Miller isn't a winner" complaint.

Teams win, not individuals. Outside of his one miserable season with the Clips, Miller has always made a positive contribution to his team. What more can an individual player do?

Should the Blazers only make trades with teams that had better records than they did? Should they only trade with teams that won their first round series? Sorry, but that is hopelessly unrealistic. Swinging a trade with a bad team is often your best chance to get a good player at a bargain price. You have to approach FAs the same way. The team almost over-paid for Hedo solely because some of Orlando's success rubbed off on him. That was (almost) a silly mistake.

Personally, I would rather have the vet who is really hungry....the guy who will be thrilled to be on a winning team.

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[Entity]

(edit): Oops, already beaten to it.

 

[Entity]

Sixers withdraw offer to Miller.

 

[Boob-No-More]

His numbers crush Kirk Hinrich's all over the place. His defense isn't as good as Kirk, or even his 3 ball, but he's far more efficient at everything else he does on the court and can actually create opportunities for other players on the court.

In 2007-08, the last year Hinrich ran the point, his AST% was 30.9 and his AST/36 was 6.8. Last season, Miller's AST% was 30.2 and his AST/36 was 6.5. So, it looks to me like Hinrich, when running the point is just as good at distributing the ball and setting up his teammates as Miller.

BNM

 

[Masbee]

I have to respond to the "Miller isn't a winner" complaint.

Teams win, not individuals. Outside of his one miserable season with the Clips, Miller has always made a positive contribution to his team. What more can an individual player do?

Should the Blazers only make trades with teams that had better records than they did? Should they only trade with teams that won their first round series? Sorry, but that is hopelessly unrealistic. Swinging a trade with a bad team is often your best chance to get a good player at a bargain price. You have to approach FAs the same way. The team almost over-paid for Hedo solely because some of Orlando's success rubbed off on him. That was (almost) a silly mistake.

Personally, I would rather have the vet who is really hungry....the guy who will be thrilled to be on a winning team.

That was my fear with the Hedo thing all along. Really now, if Hedo - the exact same player, person, career, output, everything, had still been on the Kings last season - do you really think the Blazers would have made a $50 million dollar offer?

No fucking way. Not even close. Never would have happened.

The Kings sucked. They would have sucked less with Hedo on their team - but they still would have been a bad team. Who would have noticed him or any differences he made to the team?

The premium on Hedo's finals run was HUUUUGGGE.

I for one, was very leery about paying that premium.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Sources close to Miller's camp have said that a two-year deal worth roughly $7 to $8 million per season is what could be in the works, but like all deals things tend to be complicated just before they happen or fall apart.

This would be a very good deal for Portland if that's the case, especially if in a sign-and-trade.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=13424

 

[SodaPopinski]

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[oldmangrouch]

The upgrade from Blake to Miller is at LEAST as significant as the upgrade from Outlaw to Hedo would have been. How is that "settling"????