So Much Anger........

[THE HCP]

I forgot an additional category:

5. Creating threads just to start controversy.

I wouldn’t say so. Just am getting tired of so much negativity in here. But it’s to be expected when people are so passionate about the team. Just was reading the thread last night and there is just blatant name calling and hatred being tossed at the team and it amazes me. Like what are we expecting from them realistically is all. I’m a pretty busy dude that happened to have a morning off and was wanting to get some opinions on why people react the way they do. Unfortunate you seem to think that was my plan and that’s all you got out of the original question.

 

[CupWizier]

Yeah, because this type of posting style is really beneficial to the forum. You're awesome, I suck!

And how was your post beneficial to the forum?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wouldn’t say so. Just am getting tired of so much negativity in here. But it’s to be expected when people are so passionate about the team. Just was reading the thread last night and there is just blatant name calling and hatred being tossed at the team and it amazes me. Like what are we expecting from them realistically is all. I’m a pretty busy dude that happened to have a morning off and was wanting to get some opinions on why people react the way they do. Unfortunate you seem to think that was my plan and that’s all you got out of the original question.

See, here's the problem. The people who react in the manner you describe to the team playing poorly are also most likely to take offense to this thread and respond to it defensively. This thread, by its very nature, had a very low likelihood of achieving its stated goal.

 

[THE HCP]

You're saying that a team that a team with Dame and CJ in their prime should have the expectations to hopefully squeak out a win at home against the Knicks tomorrow so that you aren't disappointed or upset if they lose that one?

I’ll be very disappointed if we lose tomorrow night. But I’d understand if a team that was expecting Mario Hezonja, Tolliver, Nas, Baze and Ant to have major positive contributions in order for them TO win didnt. That’s the point, it’s not Dame and CJ, its what’s left over. I just can’t expect much from them.

 

[THE HCP]

See, here's the problem. The people who react in the manner you describe to the team playing poorly are also most likely to take offense to this thread and respond to it defensively. This thread, by its very nature, had a very low likelihood of achieving its stated goal.

Why would they take offense? That’s unfortunate we can’t have a civil discussion on here about realistic expectations and how they affect how we react to wins and losses. Curious why they would be offended by a simple question?

 

[Dougnsalem]

I forgot an additional category:

5. Creating threads just to start controversy.

6. The Lurkers (which we seem to have a bunch of.....)

This is our wisest group. They don't spend countless hours on the internet, arguing about who has a bigger penis.

 

[Shaboid]

I wouldn’t say so. Just am getting tired of so much negativity in here. But it’s to be expected when people are so passionate about the team. Just was reading the thread last night and there is just blatant name calling and hatred being tossed at the team and it amazes me. Like what are we expecting from them realistically is all. I’m a pretty busy dude that happened to have a morning off and was wanting to get some opinions on why people react the way they do. Unfortunate you seem to think that was my plan and that’s all you got out of the original question.

When things look negative people get negative. No surprise there. I have mostly been joking with my responses, and took a little jab at you at you. You are talking about people having proper expectations, but when you started this thread, what were your expectations? You may not have planned it, but again, c'mon man.

See, here's the problem. The people who react in the manner you describe to the team playing poorly are also most likely to take offense to this thread and respond to it defensively. This thread, by its very nature, had a very low likelihood of achieving its stated goal.

Basically this ^

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why would they take offense? That’s unfortunate we can’t have a civil discussion on here about realistic expectations and how they affect how we react to wins and losses. Curious why they would be offended by a simple question?

Perhaps the fact that I can understand why people would take offense also speaks to why I wouldn't start the thread in the first place.

 

[THE HCP]

When things look negative people get negative. No surprise there. I have mostly been joking with my responses, and took a little jab at you at you. You are talking about people having proper expectations, but when you started this thread, what were your expectations? You may not have planned it, but again, c'mon man.



Basically this ^

Why would they be offended? Serious question.

 

[THE HCP]

Perhaps the fact that I can understand why people would take offense also speaks to why I wouldn't start the thread in the first place.

Why then?

 

[THE HCP]

Why then?

Perhaps the fact that I can understand why people would take offense also speaks to why I wouldn't start the thread in the first place.

You’re telling me I can’t ask why people think we will win on the road against Denver against this week?

 

[Hoopguru]

Oh great, another lecture.

Unrealistic expectations? Go tell Dame and everyone else that talked about how this was a championship roster on media day that it was stupid to think that. They are/were good enough to make the WCF's last year but yeah you're right that a 9-15 record should just be exceptable and everyone should have just expected this team to be a lottery team.

I know you and Bones played hs college sports as I did too, I remember and maybe you guys do also, being on several different teams that players and coaches thought they could compete and possibly win the league championship. I was one to not want to quench their optimism and motivation, as team success during past years or current, was the synergy behind the ultra optimism. But we all knew that it also would take some luck, and favorable tourney brackets along with solid play to contend to win, it all, as only one team would.
Im sure Dame sincerely felt we could contend and I wouldn't expect him to feel any other way, but we all know how smart and reasonable Dame is, so I would bet he also would say in the same context, the planets must line up for it to happen. I thought we would be winning around 53 games and seeded 6-3, I also knew it was team transition aplenty and none of us would know how things would unfold.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why then?

Because you're basically--by asking the question--telling them that their emotional response is incorrect. You are essentially discounting another person's emotions, which rarely if ever ends well.

It's the same reason that telling one's wife to "calm down" is almost always a bad idea.

 

[Shaboid]

Why would they be offended? Serious question.

Never said anyone would be offended. I'm certainly not. All I'm saying is that if your expectation was to have a constructive discussion with the OP basically calling posters out, you also may want to adjust your expectations like you are implying that everyone should.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You’re telling me I can’t ask why people think we will win on the road against Denver against this week?

No, that's not at all what I'm talking about, and I think you know that.

 

[Shaboid]

Because you're basically--by asking the question--telling them that their emotional response is incorrect. You are essentially discounting another person's emotions, which rarely if ever ends well.

It's the same reason that telling one's wife to "calm down" is almost always a bad idea.

I'M CALM!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'M CALM!

 

[THE HCP]

Because you're basically--by asking the question--telling them that their emotional response is incorrect. You are essentially discounting another person's emotions, which rarely if ever ends well.

It's the same reason that telling one's wife to "calm down" is almost always a bad idea.

Sorry bro, calling you out on this one. I did no such thing. I’m “basically telling them they are incorrect”
I did not. I asked a simple question.

 

[THE HCP]

Never said anyone would be offended. I'm certainly not. All I'm saying is that if your expectation was to have a constructive discussion with the OP basically calling posters out, you also may want to adjust your expectations like you are implying that everyone should.

How did I “basically call them out”? I asked a simple question.

 

[barfo]

6. The Lurkers (which we seem to have a bunch of.....)

This is our wisest group. They spend countless hours on the internet, reading arguments about who has a bigger penis.

FTFY.

barfo

 

[THE HCP]

Right on..... we’ll go ahead a lock this thread up then.
I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I offended people. I guess I called too many people out.
Well can’t wait for the next game thread. Man, @SlyPokerDog what happened to this place bro?

 

[Shaboid]

How did I “basically call them out”? I asked a simple question.

are expectations realistically lowered? When we play NYC tomorrow and it's a nail biter down the stretch, but we win, are you happy? Or do you think we should blow them out in an easy win? When we travel to Denver and get our asses handed to us, are you accepting because of our situation, or will you spend 45 posts about how horrible Stotts is?

From here on out, I can understand people getting upset when we lose a game or play like shit, but are really going into those games thinking we are actually going to win?
Kinda' like a Browns fan going into every September thinking they are going to the Super Bowl, then losing their minds when they finish 5-13......should have know that was going to happen going in, right?

I see 5 questions there. I'm not saying lock the thread or anything. Trying to have the constructive conversation that you were looking for. Again, never said you offended anyone.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sorry bro, calling you out on this one. I did no such thing. I’m “basically telling them they are incorrect”
I did not. I asked a simple question.

Terms you used in your first paragraph like "flipping out", "freaking out", "not understanding..." etc--not to mention the thread title itself--implied pretty clearly to most readers a level of disdain for other posters' emotional responses. You may not have intended it that way, and you still may not see it that way, but it's pretty obvious to me and others.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Right on..... we’ll go ahead a lock this thread up then.
I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I offended people. I guess I called too many people out.
Well can’t wait for the next game thread. Man, @SlyPokerDog what happened to this place bro?

Not saying the thread needs to be locked; constructive conversation can still ensue. I'm just telling you what I see, and why I can understand how others would react negatively to the OP.

 

[hoopsjock]

I’ll be very disappointed if we lose tomorrow night. But I’d understand if a team that was expecting Mario Hezonja, Tolliver, Nas, Baze and Ant to have major positive contributions in order for them TO win didnt. That’s the point, it’s not Dame and CJ, its what’s left over. I just can’t expect much from them.

Okay, that is perfectly fine for you to think that way. Just like it should be fine for me to think they're better than they're playing even with the injuries.

It's as simple as that in my opinion. It's been the same for years now. Some people think it's coaching. Some people think it's roster issues. Some people think it's both and some people think it's neither.

So when someone who thinks coaching is the issue sees a team last night that plays very selfishly in a game where just a week ago against that same team they dominated them by playing unselfishly then I get upset that they are blowing a game they should've won when they knew exactly what worked against that team. Someone who thinks the roster is flawed can easily excuse games like last night as not being good enough anyway and that is certainly okay if that's your view!

 

[Hoopguru]

Why would they take offense? That’s unfortunate we can’t have a civil discussion on here about realistic expectations and how they affect how we react to wins and losses. Curious why they would be offended by a simple question?

If everyone would just respect others opinions and not get so defensive and show some genuine composure it would make it a more enjoyable forum.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So expectations obviously affects how you react to an individual play, game or season. For example, every year a few on here predict 55 wins and the WCF..... when we win 48 they are disappointed. They are the first ones flipping out when we have a bad game. As if we are some sort of Dream Team.
When some on here actually think we are going to beat the Lakers the other night, they are FREAKING out in the game thread. Not understanding the talent disparity between the two clubs had anything to do with the outcome.
Last night there were posts on here just calling the team and it's players and coaches names and losing their collective minds.
After seeing them hang their heads after Hood went down and seeing the way they were carrying themselves during warm ups, I knew this was going to be an ugly game. Was I upset, yes. Frustrated, yes. Surprised or shocked, definitely not.

So now that we all know that we are basically missing 3 starters. Are depending on some rookies and NBA journeymen to step up and play starters minutes and contribute...... are expectations realistically lowered? When we play NYC tomorrow and it's a nail biter down the stretch, but we win, are you happy? Or do you think we should blow them out in an easy win? When we travel to Denver and get our asses handed to us, are you accepting because of our situation, or will you spend 45 posts about how horrible Stotts is?

I didn't see these injuries happening obviously in my preseason prediction, but even without them, I thought we'd win 44 games or so.
From here on out, I can understand people getting upset when we lose a game or play like shit, but are really going into those games thinking we are actually going to win?
Kinda' like a Browns fan going into every September thinking they are going to the Super Bowl, then losing their minds when they finish 5-13......should have know that was going to happen going in, right?

I'm a fan of the Blazers from the Womb to the Tomb, that won't fade. But I also don't hold these guys to unrealistic expectations......that's setting yourself up for failure and heartbreak FAMS. #RipCityForLife

Here's the problem mon frere, you're basically saying the team sucks, but if you call them out for it, you're, "calling them names". If you expect them to play with energy, show some heart, play hard, you're expectations are too great. No one has called them a dream ever... heck we consider ourselves lucky when we get an "All-star selection". We all understand that Injuries have played a big role in their struggles this year, but it doesn't mean that they have to stand around take contested jumpers, show 0 signs of life on defense. There are things under their control that are frustrating to watch unfold.

You pick them LOW every year that I can find and call it "realism", and call out posters who pick them too high and that's ok, but how did you think this thread would be received? When you're calling out people who have "higher-expectations" then not just implying it, but telling them well expecting good things from this team is just setting themselves up for heartbreak.

The Blazers told us they were a championship team all summer, people looked at them on paper and said yeah they could be really competitive, the fact that they aren't is disappointing, and pointing out that it's not just the injuries but also their style of play, the lack of effort, the matador defense, doesn't make one not a fan of the team.

What do you think Gamethreads should look like when they play like they did last night? Should it be, "Oh man look at how awesome they looked standing still when SGA went around them?" Or well, "Nerlens Noel outworked the whole team for another rebound, but at least their blessing us with another basketball game tonight, I'm just thankful I get to watch it."

I get it, the Blazers aren't good, but the thing is those "expectations" for me at this point is just someone on the team looking pissed off about losing, I've seen teams with much less talent just flat out play better basketball then what the Blazers are playing right now. They need Ed Davis types, if you're running low on talent find dudes who will outwork the other team. They don't have that right now, except Dame but you can't expect Dame to be Lebron and carry 4 guys the same way.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I’m personally excited for the lottery. I hope we can find a steal with our high lottery pick. Fully healthy this year we weren’t going to beat the Lakers anyways. That team is on a historic pace where LeBron is looking to cement his legacy. Sorry nobody is stoping that train this year.


Let’s run it back healthy with new pieces next year and hope lebron slows down with another year on his miles

 

[AldoTrapani]

Right on..... we’ll go ahead a lock this thread up then.
I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I offended people. I guess I called too many people out.
Well can’t wait for the next game thread. Man, @SlyPokerDog what happened to this place bro?

It’s soft that’s why. They expected to win the championship this year lol

 

[hoopsjock]

Here's the problem mon frere, you're basically saying the team sucks, but if you call them out for it, you're, "calling them names". If you expect them to play with energy, show some heart, play hard, you're expectations are too great. No one has called them a dream ever... heck we consider ourselves lucky when we get an "All-star selection". We all understand that Injuries have played a big role in their struggles this year, but it doesn't mean that they have to stand around take contested jumpers, show 0 signs of life on defense. There are things under their control that are frustrating to watch unfold.

You pick them LOW every year that I can find and call it "realism", and call out posters who pick them too high and that's ok, but how did you think this thread would be received? When you're calling out people who have "higher-expectations" then not just implying it, but telling them well expecting good things from this team is just setting themselves up for heartbreak.

The Blazers told us they were a championship team all summer, people looked at them on paper and said yeah they could be really competitive, the fact that they aren't is disappointing, and pointing out that it's not just the injuries but also their style of play, the lack of effort, the matador defense, doesn't make one not a fan of the team.

What do you think Gamethreads should look like when they play like they did last night? Should it be, "Oh man look at how awesome they looked standing still when SGA went around them?" Or well, "Nerlens Noel outworked the whole team for another rebound, but at least their blessing us with another basketball game tonight, I'm just thankful I get to watch it."

I get it, the Blazers aren't good, but the thing is those "expectations" for me at this point is just someone on the team looking pissed off about losing, I've seen teams with much less talent just flat out play better basketball then what the Blazers are playing right now. They need Ed Davis types, if you're running low on talent find dudes who will outwork the other team. They don't have that right now, except Dame but you can't expect Dame to be Lebron and carry 4 guys the same way.

Exactly this, thanks for taking the time to word it this way.