So Much Anger........

[THE HCP]

Exactly this, thanks for taking the time to word it this way.

I never once said fans couldn’t get mad, upset or disappointed. Never said it. Didn’t ever say people were wrong for that and never said HOW they should react. Never posted that. Never called anybody out for how they react. Never did.
Simply asked why.

 

[Propagandist]

Right on..... we’ll go ahead a lock this thread up then.
I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I offended people. I guess I called too many people out.
Well can’t wait for the next game thread. Man, @SlyPokerDog what happened to this place bro?

One time I was high on the mushrooms with a girl. Every time I said something she would take it in a way that was different than I meant it. Every time she'd take it personally but I was just talking. I'd say the sun is an orange without pulp but with a consciousness (or something like that) and she'd apologize and close the blinds. And so after a long while, after hundreds of me being like no, no, no I didn't mean it like that, and after formulating my words with the utmost care, I told her that essentially I want you to know that no matter what you hear from me, I am not being critical. She took a deep breath and nodded, then apologized. (Then crawled into a closet...backwards.)

The moral of the story is sometimes people are just on different frequencies and just can't hear each other (and that maybe some people get higher than others, and that tone is lost in print; my exwife texts like an ahole but never means it). My wife now sometimes thinks there's more under the surface when I say shit. Maybe I just say shit wrong, or maybe she can see into my subconscious.

Whatever it is, I know for sure, regardless of your expectations, we are all disappointed (in me and) this season.

 

[wizenheimer]

I guess what I'm saying is my issue is that we're even talking about a team that went to the WCF having much lower expectations the following year instead of them building on that success is the reason I'm upset if that makes sense, lol.

ok, sorry HJ....I didn't catch the direction of the line you were connecting

yeah, this season has been quite the eye-opener so far, and it's pretty obvious by now that the success Portland had last year was resting on a fragile foundation. If you assume that Whiteside = Kanter, and I think there's plenty of reason to make that equation, then the rest of the supporting cast has been a serious downgrade from the previous one. Obviously, the Blazers were dealing with new faces and the injury to Zach, but other teams are dealing with new faces and injuries and are not experiencing the collapse the Blazers have.

but enough of the issues, IMO, were quite predictable before the season started so for me, the expectations were apparently a lot lower than many here.

there is still plenty of time remaining for the Blazers to turn the ship around, but I think there may just about as much chance for a lottery pick as for HCA in the playoffs

 

[Shaboid]

One time I was high on the mushrooms with a girl. Every time I said something she would take it in a way that was different than I meant it. Every time she'd take it personally but I was just talking. I'd say the sun is an orange without pulp but with a consciousness (or something like that) and she'd apologize and close the blinds. And so after a long while, after hundreds of me being like no, no, no I didn't mean it like that, and after formulating my words with the utmost care, I told her that essentially I want you to know that no matter what you hear from me, I am not being critical. She took a deep breath and nodded, then apologized. (Then crawled into a closet...backwards.)

The moral of the story is sometimes people are just on different frequencies and just can't hear each other (and that maybe some people get higher than others, and that tone is lost in print; my exwife texts like an ahole but never means it). My wife now sometimes thinks there's more under the surface when I say shit. Maybe I just say shit wrong, or maybe she can see into my subconscious.

Whatever it is, I know for sure, regardless of your expectations, we are all disappointed (in me and) this season.

You've blown my mind, sir. You are on @jlprk level after this post. I mean that as a compliment.

 

[Dougnsalem]

Right on..... we’ll go ahead a lock this thread up then.
I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I offended people. I guess I called too many people out.
Well can’t wait for the next game thread. Man, @SlyPokerDog what happened to this place bro?

It takes a big man, to actually show concern about what other people think or feel. Major props to you.

So while we're at it, you may want to rethink all of the Lebron and L*kers posts you make.

In our totally non-scientific poll, 71% of our posters DO NOT like that shit.



The national media already spues it nonstop. It would be pleasant if you took a break from posting that shit....

 

[e_blazer]

If you look at the NBA as a piñata game, some years your team is the stick and some years it's the piñata. This is definitely a piñata year so far. It's no fun watching the team you root for have a string of injuries to essential players and end up getting kicked into irrelevancy. It's kind of crazy that it's happened to the two teams who played in last year's WCF. It's going to be weird likely seeing both Steph Curry and Dame Lillard watching the playoffs from the outside this year. I still hold out hope that the Blazers can string together enough wins to be within striking distance for a spring playoff push once Nurk is back. Hopefully, Olshey can find a trade that helps that happen. Unless we reach the point where there's no chance for playoffs, I'll continue to root for the Blazers to win.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I never once said fans couldn’t get mad, upset or disappointed. Never said it. Didn’t ever say people were wrong for that and never said HOW they should react. Never posted that. Never called anybody out for how they react. Never did.
Simply asked why.

You really didn't ask why though. Here's your questions and answers.
are expectations realistically lowered? Yes.
When we play NYC tomorrow and it's a nail biter down the stretch, but we win, are you happy? No.
Or do you think we should blow them out in an easy win? They probably can't blow anyone out unless they're just super hot that night.
When we travel to Denver and get our asses handed to us, are you accepting because of our situation, or will you spend 45 posts about how horrible Stotts is? It depends, we'll be upset at HOW they look while losing.
From here on out, I can understand people getting upset when we lose a game or play like shit, but are really going into those games thinking we are actually going to win? No, but we'll still be frustrated as the losses pile up.
Kinda' like a Browns fan going into every September thinking they are going to the Super Bowl, then losing their minds when they finish 5-13......should have know that was going to happen going in, right? The browns were picked by a lot of people to go to the Superbowl this year. It's weird how many times you basically say the Blazers are trash in your post. Do we as parents expect our kids to try or just say you know what you're just not that smart maybe don't bother trying math, I can't expect much. Now you're comparing the Blazers to an organization that is known as one of the worst in football.

If you really, really wanted to have a conversation that would actually be a conversation about expectations your tone would have been much more. "So the seasons been a bummer and expectations were too high coming into it, so how do we readjust expectations? What do we want from the rest of the year?" You could have even added, hey we'll all be much happier if we just accept that the Blazers years is a lost one, that injuries and talent mean they aren't good enough. We could discuss as a community some of these topics but it's really hard when your tone comes off like, "Hey they just suck, so all of you who think they were good, just set yourselves up for being disappointed, so stop freaking out".

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Right on..... we’ll go ahead a lock this thread up then.
I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I offended people. I guess I called too many people out.
Well can’t wait for the next game thread. Man, @SlyPokerDog what happened to this place bro?

For the record, I'm not offended. I'm trying to answer your questions, in a respectful manner.

 

[Stevenson]

Go tell Dame and everyone else that talked about how this was a championship roster on media day that it was stupid to think that. They are/were good enough to make the WCF's last year but yeah you're right that a 9-15 record should just be exceptable and everyone should have just expected this team to be a lottery team.

Uh, have you not noticed that we lost our two starting forwards since Dame said that? That's 40% of our starters.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

@THE HCP
I do have some questions for you. I know game threads get crazy and most of it is our emotional responses to stuff and many of us use it as a venting mechanism, so yes there are over the top reactions. However, when we're watching a game and we see Basketball plays, and such that are just awful. What do you think the response should be? Is it something we should just not say anything about?

Cause honestly, for the most part, my biggest expectation when I watch pro-sports is I want to see two teams look like professional teams. Energy, desire, execution, making the right basketball plays. I get it just like in any of our jobs mistakes get made, they make the wrong read on things just like we do, isn't the game thread the place to say what we're observing whether good or bad? It seems like there's a lot of, "Oh that was a great pass" or whatever posts in those threads too, so it's not like posters are only negative.

 

[Strenuus]

It’s soft that’s why. They expected to win the championship this year lol

Stop. Lumping. Everyone. In. A. Group.

Please learn this.

 

[kjironman1]

Funny thing happens to me sometimes. I talk to people outside of this forum about the Blazers. I kind of have to remind myself they are not in one group or another on S2 and i actually have to listen to what they say to get what they think. Then because it's face to face i don't call them a "fucking moron" or "Stupid".

Funny how that works......

 

[noknobs]

Anyone would be crazy not to have their expectations drastically reduced now that 60% of the preferred starting lineup is out for the rest - or most - of the season. The starting lineup is still pretty good but where this hurts us the most is the bench. It's an absolute clusterfuck. Our bench doesn't have a single big deserving of any minutes other than garbage time, a single PG who's a playmaker, and not one guy on the bench who we can rely on every night. Not a single one.

Not having Nurk and Collins is obviously a death-blow to our defense, but not having Nurk on offense is arguably just as important. Whiteside can put up stats and he's a perfectly fine NBA starter, but the pick and roll, movement, passing, etc that Nurk gives our offense has really been on display this year.

So that makes me sad, not mad.


What makes me mad is watching the team continually shooting jump-shots - usually contested or off-balance - without even trying to get to the basket. Or watching ridiculous, unforced turn-overs, even by our all-NBA superstar. Or missed lay-ins and three-footers. Or watching someone, who has miraculously made two shots in a row, think that means they need to shoot a heat-check within the first 8 seconds of the shot-clock. Or watching the other team get easier shots than they were during warm-ups as we stand and watch. Or watching our players try to thread a pass in between three defenders. Just because a teammate makes a hard cut doesn't mean they're automatically open (!!). How do we not understand that due to the physics of our universe, the ball will not simply pass through the defender just because you want it to? I understand you're excited that a teammate is actually moving off the ball but you still have to think rationally. Or watching in wonderment as the team, which is ice-cold from outside, decides to double-down on what's not working and shoot even more unassisted jump-shots while the rest of the team takes the opportunity to catch their breath, or take a sip of beer from someone in the front row. It doesn't matter who's out there, they've all somehow made it to the NBA. They should understand concepts I learned when I was five such as boxing out or keeping one eye on your man and one on the ball. So watching me-first, lazy, disjointed, reckless, uncontrolled basketball, like we did in the 2nd half last night, can and should be criticized (although some just go way overboard and sound like children).

So my expectations are lowered, at least until we have a healthy Nurk, AND I'm mad that they're not playing up to the potential they clearly have.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So expectations obviously affects how you react to an individual play, game or season. For example, every year a few on here predict 55 wins and the WCF..... when we win 48 they are disappointed. They are the first ones flipping out when we have a bad game. As if we are some sort of Dream Team.
When some on here actually think we are going to beat the Lakers the other night, they are FREAKING out in the game thread. Not understanding the talent disparity between the two clubs had anything to do with the outcome.
Last night there were posts on here just calling the team and it's players and coaches names and losing their collective minds.
After seeing them hang their heads after Hood went down and seeing the way they were carrying themselves during warm ups, I knew this was going to be an ugly game. Was I upset, yes. Frustrated, yes. Surprised or shocked, definitely not.

So now that we all know that we are basically missing 3 starters. Are depending on some rookies and NBA journeymen to step up and play starters minutes and contribute...... are expectations realistically lowered? When we play NYC tomorrow and it's a nail biter down the stretch, but we win, are you happy? Or do you think we should blow them out in an easy win? When we travel to Denver and get our asses handed to us, are you accepting because of our situation, or will you spend 45 posts about how horrible Stotts is?

I didn't see these injuries happening obviously in my preseason prediction, but even without them, I thought we'd win 44 games or so.
From here on out, I can understand people getting upset when we lose a game or play like shit, but are really going into those games thinking we are actually going to win?
Kinda' like a Browns fan going into every September thinking they are going to the Super Bowl, then losing their minds when they finish 5-13......should have know that was going to happen going in, right?

I'm a fan of the Blazers from the Womb to the Tomb, that won't fade. But I also don't hold these guys to unrealistic expectations......that's setting yourself up for failure and heartbreak FAMS. #RipCityForLife

Are we allowed to be angry at the GM for signing players like Hezonja and not signing a backup PG?

 

[kjironman1]

Perhaps the fact that I can understand why people would take offense also speaks to why I wouldn't start the thread in the first place.

Would a "Global Moderator" start a thread that would be anything less than this? Job security!

 

[kjironman1]

I’m personally excited for the lottery. I hope we can find a steal with our high lottery pick. Fully healthy this year we weren’t going to beat the Lakers anyways. That team is on a historic pace where LeBron is looking to cement his legacy. Sorry nobody is stoping that train this year.


Let’s run it back healthy with new pieces next year and hope lebron slows down with another year on his miles

Well if anything you are consistent!

 

[wizenheimer]

Uh, have you not noticed that we lost our two starting forwards since Dame said that? That's 40% of our starters.

they'd only lost 1 and their record was 9-14

 

[hoopsjock]

Uh, have you not noticed that we lost our two starting forwards since Dame said that? That's 40% of our starters.

They've had an open roster spot the entire season to address the injuries though. We'll see what happens if they apply for the Disabled Player Exception and after Sunday when most of the league can be traded.

 

[Chris Craig]

So expectations obviously affects how you react to an individual play, game or season. For example, every year a few on here predict 55 wins and the WCF..... when we win 48 they are disappointed. They are the first ones flipping out when we have a bad game. As if we are some sort of Dream Team.
When some on here actually think we are going to beat the Lakers the other night, they are FREAKING out in the game thread. Not understanding the talent disparity between the two clubs had anything to do with the outcome.
Last night there were posts on here just calling the team and it's players and coaches names and losing their collective minds.
After seeing them hang their heads after Hood went down and seeing the way they were carrying themselves during warm ups, I knew this was going to be an ugly game. Was I upset, yes. Frustrated, yes. Surprised or shocked, definitely not.

So now that we all know that we are basically missing 3 starters. Are depending on some rookies and NBA journeymen to step up and play starters minutes and contribute...... are expectations realistically lowered? When we play NYC tomorrow and it's a nail biter down the stretch, but we win, are you happy? Or do you think we should blow them out in an easy win? When we travel to Denver and get our asses handed to us, are you accepting because of our situation, or will you spend 45 posts about how horrible Stotts is?

I didn't see these injuries happening obviously in my preseason prediction, but even without them, I thought we'd win 44 games or so.
From here on out, I can understand people getting upset when we lose a game or play like shit, but are really going into those games thinking we are actually going to win?
Kinda' like a Browns fan going into every September thinking they are going to the Super Bowl, then losing their minds when they finish 5-13......should have know that was going to happen going in, right?

I'm a fan of the Blazers from the Womb to the Tomb, that won't fade. But I also don't hold these guys to unrealistic expectations......that's setting yourself up for failure and heartbreak FAMS. #RipCityForLife

This coming from a Lakers fan...

 

[wizenheimer]

They've had an open roster spot the entire season to address the injuries though. We'll see what happens if they apply for the Disabled Player Exception and after Sunday when most of the league can be traded.

so then, Hood's salary is slightly less than 5.72M. So the Blazers could sign a player for about 2.86M or trade for a player making about 2.96M (does all that 'added' salary count against the tax?)

I doubt there's any free agent worth more than the vet minimum. I have no clue is any player worthwhile could be realistically added in a trade for a salary that low. Maybe...would Portland discard their standards for a player like Wilson Chandler who should be coming off suspension soon?

 

[hoopsjock]

so then, Hood's salary is slightly less than 5.72M. So the Blazers could sign a player for about 2.86M or trade for a player making about 2.96M (does all that 'added' salary count against the tax?)

I doubt there's any free agent worth more than the vet minimum. I have no clue is any player worthwhile could be realistically added in a trade for a salary that low. Maybe...would Portland discard their standards for a player like Wilson Chandler who should be coming off suspension soon?

Well they'd have two roster spots if they get that exception. If they use those spots or not will go a long way to showing their hand if the organization is giving up on the season or not. Obviously I don't think they want the tax implications but it also may force their hand to add players because of the injuries.

I mentioned this in another thread but Brooklyn is going to have to waive someone in a few days when they activate Chandler. It's looking like it might have to be a decent player that could fit the parameters of the DPE so the Blazers could put a waiver claim on that player if they do cut them.

 

[Natebishop3]

I’d like to think I’m a number 2.

I don't think I have ever seen you post something that would be considered negative about the team. And for good reason.... you know these guys.

 

[ABM]

My lawyer is currently in Ukraine collecting information that will be used to reverse all of the results of the prior games and injuries. After these facts are revealed, we will go 82-0 this season as I predicted.

barfo

It's only because your son is on the board of the lawyer firm.

 

[Natebishop3]

hat makes me mad is watching the team continually shooting jump-shots - usually contested or off-balance - without even trying to get to the basket.

Round of applause for Terry Stotts ladies and gentlemen!

 

[PDXFonz]

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that you were a blazer fan in utero?

 

[kjironman1]

Well they'd have two roster spots if they get that exception. If they use those spots or not will go a long way to showing their hand if the organization is giving up on the season or not. Obviously I don't think they want the tax implications but it also may force their hand to add players because of the injuries.

I mentioned this in another thread but Brooklyn is going to have to waive someone in a few days when they activate Chandler. It's looking like it might have to be a decent player that could fit the parameters of the DPE so the Blazers could put a waiver claim on that player if they do cut them.

Man would it be cool if it was Ed Davis. I know... Not realistic but it would be cool.

 

[kjironman1]

I don't think I have ever seen you post something that would be considered negative about the team. And for good reason.... you know these guys.

Well he predicts pretty low and he never runs expectation too high. And he is a Laker fan so that is pretty darn negative in my book. Pretty much ban worthy.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well he predicts pretty low and he never runs expectation too high. And he is a Laker fan so that is pretty darn negative in my book. Pretty much ban worthy.

Yeah but he won't talk about any player specifically, or the coaching staff, etc

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yeah but he won't talk about any player specifically, or the coaching staff, etc

He has faked being CJ for us though.

 

[BonesJones]

See and your boy Hoops wonders why people come at you all the time. You lost me after that first sentence man. The rest wasn’t worth reading to be honest. Why not just give your opinion of the topic without snapping at people all the time?

Thing is, youre wrong. I rarely say what I think in regards to certain posts, so implying the reasoning that something happens often is due to something that happens rarely is flawed. And it doesn't happen often just because you say it does.