So Much for the First Amendment

[PapaG]

Bill Maher mocks Keith Ellison's Muslim faith.

Calls the Koran a "hate-filled Holy book".

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-the-koran-is-a-hate-filled-holy-book-video/

 

[PapaG]

Sorry but I don't feel that my response was weak. If he was an honest law abiding citizen I would agree with you but this man is a criminal on parole. IMO if he is violating the terms of his parole he has no expectation of privacy. Terms of his parole says no aliases, no computers, no internet. Posting a video on Youtube are violating some of the conditions of his parole.

If he had completed his parole I would agree with you too. In my mind completing his parole means he's no longer a criminal but while he's on parole he has rules to follow.

Turns out he only commented on the video on YouTube, and didn't make it, and had no means to make it. This thing gets odder with each passing day. That's what happens when the US government has no fucking clue how to spin this in their favor.

Fascism rules. I do hope you're not next to be outed, because the GOP wants to DESTROY your freedom.

 

[PapaG]

freedom of speech? try telling a cop he is a piece of shit sometime


the right to a peaceful assembly?

anyone in america can legally have their door kicked in at anytime and be kidnapped for no reason, detained indefinitely and tortured

the bill of rights is a distant memory people

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
George Orwell

The boot-stamping is happening right in front of your soul-patched face, and you're too tweeked to see it. That's what is troubling about all of it.

 

[MickZagger]

Someone has soul patch envy.

 

[julius]

Someone has soul patch envy.

He's just putting on a show. Notice he doubled down after I ripped on him earlier in the week. He knows he's creating straw-man threads. It could be his way of parodying how he feels others were during Bush's term, or how they treated McCain or Palin, or Romney.

The only thing his posts do is provide a good laugh. Because if it's not a parody/joke, it's the work of someone who is having a meltdown.

I like to think he's just having a little fun (but really, it's like when Ted Nugent or Sean Hannity or another Fox News personality tries to compete with people who actually are funny and fail miserably).

Or his reality is starting to implode and make believe is taking over (so many of his "points" are so weak, no one would make them on purpoose).

 

[3RA1N1AC]

people have anxiety attacks every day about impending war or terrorists or aliens

and papag, im with you on the boot stomping on the face, only thing is, i realize its been going on for alot longer than a week

 

[dviss1]

PapaG posts things from Brietbart's Website. smh...

This should AUTOMATICALLY ruin any credibility he has ever had.

 

[dviss1]

Nobody cared about it until Obama needed a scapegoat for his own incompetence.

You don't sound smart. Fox lately? Here's a couple of quick ones:

Where is Bin Laden? Where are 22 of the top 30 Al Quaeda leaders?

That's what I thought...

 

[julius]

You don't sound smart. Fox lately? Here's a couple of quick ones:

Where is Bin Laden? Where are 22 of the top 30 Al Quaeda leaders?

That's what I thought...

He, papag, has mastered the art of fallacy. He's good at straw man arguments, using false dilemmas and he uses arguments which use the fallacy of a single cause and he's really really good at false attribution.

Basically, Fallacy Pants Mcgee is trying to throw shit at the wall, and then try to act like everyone else is stalking him/freaking out or doing exactly what it is he's known for here (playing the victim). Either that or he thinks everyone else is too stupid to realize what he's doing (because like I said, no one is genuinely this stupid).

He's basically the Glenn Beck of the board.

 

[MARIS61]

If you're on probation and you do something that gets the attention of law enforcement you should expect to be jacked up by the cops. He agreed to the probation, he agreed that his home could be searched at anytime for any reason. He agreed that he would answer any questions at any time by law enforcement. If he didn't want to be released early under these conditions he should have sat his ass in jail and served the remainder of his sentence.

maxiep lives in the world of white collar crime, fams. They don't need no stinkin' probation 'cause they got maids and swimmin' pools in their prisons, fams.

 

[MARIS61]

You don't sound smart. Fox lately? Here's a couple of quick ones:

Where is Bin Laden? Where are 22 of the top 30 Al Quaeda leaders?

That's what I thought...

Repped.

And at election time I'll rep Obama for it.

 

[ABM]

You don't sound smart. Fox lately? Here's a couple of quick ones:

Where is Bin Laden? Where are 22 of the top 30 Al Quaeda leaders?

That's what I thought...

Thing is, Obama (and his cronies) could have been eliminated under, say, even Jimmy Carter. Obama simply said, "Do it."

Right?

 

[Denny Crane]

The 22 of 30 al Qaeda leaders stat is impressive but look at Gitmo and all the guys captured during the Bush years, let alone all the leadership killed during those years as well. And it points out that the Nobel Peace Prize winner is a warmongering president like most of them have been.

 

[maxiep]

Roger Kimball makes the point better than I ever could: http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/201...at-should-cost-obama-his-job/?singlepage=true

 

[chevyrunssometimes]

"Now, I use "sheeple" because I view most of them as "sheeple", and lacking any critical thought that falls outside of the Democratic Party platform."

That's what I said ... and the part you leave out -- the part about how it's only sheepish because it's counter to your view which (by definition) must be original. I got news for you, The Original Taco House was shit.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Roger Kimball makes the point better than I ever could: http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/201...at-should-cost-obama-his-job/?singlepage=true

really? that was crap

we lost all of our rights after 9/11 with the patriot act

 

[ABM]

really? that was crap

we lost all of our rights after 9/11 with the patriot act

What rights have you lost? I sure haven't noticed anything any different.

 

[Denny Crane]

What rights have you lost? I sure haven't noticed anything any different.

Watch what you post here. I think Obama's secretly reading the board.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

What rights have you lost? I sure haven't noticed anything any different.

“First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
― Martin Niemöller

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Roger Kimball makes the point better than I ever could: http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/201...at-should-cost-obama-his-job/?singlepage=true

So criminals can have aliases but Mixum can't? I might be remembering wrong but weren't you the one who posted Mixum's name on here?

The guy was convicted of using multiple aliases to commit crimes, it's been reported that while on probation that he is again using multiple aliases. But it's alright because as far as anyone knows he was only using multiple aliases to possibly make a movie? But according to the opinion column that you posted it was wrong for law enforcement to question him because they wore their uniforms? Or because the picked him up to question him late at night? If law enforcement gets a credible report that someone is violating their probation or parole you bet that person should be investigated. And I don't really care what color of uniforms the police are wearing or what time they show up at the guy's door.

I'm just not seeing the problem here. Again, if he weren't a criminal I would have a problem with this. If he were off of probation I would have a problem with this. But he's not. His rights have not been violated because he voluntarily gave up those rights. He actually testified against others to limit the length and severity of punishment he received for his crimes. He was an active participant in the punishment he received so he has a clear understanding of what he could and could not do on probation. No computers, no internet, no aliases, no exceptions. Seems pretty simple to follow to me.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fine, the guy is on probation, etc.

The authorities can question him all they want.

It's the publishing the guy's name before they've given him his due process that's the problem.

The guy really should sue. I bet he'd win $millions.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Fine, the guy is on probation, etc.

The authorities can question him all they want.

It's the publishing the guy's name before they've given him his due process that's the problem.

The guy really should sue. I bet he'd win $millions.

Aren't people's names published all the time as a suspect in a crime before they are given their due process?

 

[julius]

Aren't people's names published all the time as a suspect in a crime before they are given their due process?

I think it depends on the crime. The Atlanta Olympics bomber guy was named, even though he wasn't the guy.

I'm not sure they do the names of rapists (legitimate or not).

 

[barfo]

Thing is, Obama (and his cronies) could have been eliminated under, say, even Jimmy Carter.

Wow, I never pictured Jimmy Carter taking out Barack. Why do you think he would have done that?

barfo

 

[maxiep]

So criminals can have aliases but Mixum can't? I might be remembering wrong but weren't you the one who posted Mixum's name on here?

The guy was convicted of using multiple aliases to commit crimes, it's been reported that while on probation that he is again using multiple aliases. But it's alright because as far as anyone knows he was only using multiple aliases to possibly make a movie? But according to the opinion column that you posted it was wrong for law enforcement to question him because they wore their uniforms? Or because the picked him up to question him late at night? If law enforcement gets a credible report that someone is violating their probation or parole you bet that person should be investigated. And I don't really care what color of uniforms the police are wearing or what time they show up at the guy's door.

I'm just not seeing the problem here. Again, if he weren't a criminal I would have a problem with this. If he were off of probation I would have a problem with this. But he's not. His rights have not been violated because he voluntarily gave up those rights. He actually testified against others to limit the length and severity of punishment he received for his crimes. He was an active participant in the punishment he received so he has a clear understanding of what he could and could not do on probation. No computers, no internet, no aliases, no exceptions. Seems pretty simple to follow to me.

Using an alias to present yourself is quite different than using an alias to have web anonymity. I can see why the first may be a violation, where the second is simply protecting yourself.

 

[MARIS61]

What rights have you lost? I sure haven't noticed anything any different.

You may not have noticed because you don't exercise all of your rights routinely, many of us take most of them for granted until they apply to our personal situation, but the so called Patriot Act erased about 1/2 of the Bill of Rights:

RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS WE HAVE NEEDLESSLY
LOST IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY

Through the enactment of the USA PATRIOT Act and subsequent
executive directives and regulations, essential rights and freedoms
that were once guaranteed to all individuals have been substantially
degraded. Many Americans still do not realize the significance of
what we have lost. The resulting expansion of government powers,
and the erosion of 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th Amendment
rights and freedoms have transformed the United States.

1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH
• The Patriot Act broadly expands the official definition of
terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
labeled as terrorists.
• The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
of any other records if they reveal that the government
requested information on their clients or members in the
course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
that you are under investigation.

1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
• Government agents may now monitor the First Amendmentprotected
activities of religious and political institutions, and
then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal
activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding
religious and political groups.
• You may now be the subject of a government investigation
simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy
groups you are involved in, or the statements you make
within these groups.

1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION
• A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
to government records through Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) requests.
• The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
have already been deported in secret.

4th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE
SEARCHES &SEIZURES
• Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office
without showing “probable cause.” They need only to claim that intelligence gathering is “a significant
purpose” of their intrusion, even when the primary goal is ordinary law enforcement. They may also
monitor where and to whom you send and receive e-mail, or where you go on the Internet, recording
every e-mail address and website you have been in contact with.
• Law Enforcement may now demand any personal records held by any source including your doctor,
employer, accountant, or library. All they have to do is claim that it is related to an investigation into
“terrorism.” The record keepers may not reveal that your records were provided to the government.
• Judicial oversight of secret searches has been effectively minimized. The Patriot Act directs judges to
consent to secret searches based only on the Government’s assertion that a “significant” purpose of
an investigation is gathering information related to “terrorism,” as the government defines it.

5th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS & FREEDOM FROM BEING
HELD WITHOUT CHARGE
• Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or
evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and without
a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.
• Hundreds of Arab, Muslim and South Asian men were rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following
September 11, and held for weeks without charges until all were cleared of terrorism charges

6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION
• Hundreds of U.S. residents have been detained for months at a time, and denied access to the advice
and advocacy of an attorney. The Government may now monitor conversations between attorneys &
clients in federal jails.
• The Bush Administration filed papers in court that arguing that an American citizen held in a military
jail without charge should be denied access to legal counsel because such access would interfere with
the process of his interrogation.

6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL
• The U.S. Government may now jail its residents and citizens indefinitely without charge & without a public trial.

8th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS
• The U.S. Government has taken into custody individuals they identify as “material witnesses,” transported
them across the country, and held them for months in solitary confinement without charge or
contact with their family.
• According to the Justice Department’s own Inspector General, immigrant men rounded up in the
Ashcroft raids following September 11 and held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY
were subjected to a pattern of “physical and verbal abuse.”

14th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO EQUAL PROTECTION
• Over 82,000 men from Arab, Muslim and South Asian countries registered with the Government
under the Special Registration program. Over 13,000 are now in deportation proceedings. None
have been charged with terrorism.

http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf

 

[Denny Crane]

Hundreds?

Wow, that's downright amazing.

FDR rounded up hundreds of thousands of Japanese-Americans and put them in prison camps for years.

He's your guy.

 

[MARIS61]

Hundreds?

Wow, that's downright amazing.

FDR rounded up hundreds of thousands of Japanese-Americans and put them in prison camps for years.

He's your guy.

FDR?

How fucking old do you think I am?

 

[Denny Crane]

FDR?

How fucking old do you think I am?

Old enough to have a shrine to him.

 

[Denny Crane]

If your guy is in office, it's not too much power.